common: "i like to have sex with white chicks, i just dont like to date them"

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Nabisco OTM.

I dont see whats wrong with the AIDS campaigns. He wants to do something good, good for him. Its not like he's pulling a Bono or something (note: I dont even like the new album)

deej.., Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

NED RAGGETT STOP STEALING MY JOKES

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what Common's opinion of the DL scene is?

dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry about that Dan, you sexual beast you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I'm familiar with the discussion, I just think it's full of really weird assumptions! "If you can't love your own, how can you love another" - does having a relationship outside of one's own race necessarily (or even occasionally) mean you "can't love your own"? I'm a big hippie about this question admittedly. I think it's just the "not dated (giggles)" that gets me goin' - it's so "sure, I fuck 'em" quality - it sounds kinda redneck, really, & I do think that the implication ("dealing with having sex with a white woman" and the rest of that really tortured sentence) is pretty icky, and kinda inconsistent with the overall ideology he's advancing - if you're having relationships with people of one race, but your libido's still calling out to parts elsewhere, where does your heart really lie?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

between this and the Xity thread I bet Dan totally hates me now

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I propose: if a black man wishes to date a white woman, he should be forced to cut off his dreadlocks. If he has no dreadlocks, he will not be allowed to date said white woman - because it's always dreads that date white chicks.

If a black man wishes to engage in casual sex with a white woman, he must agree to giggle about it whenever the topic arises.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I would have much more sympathy for the argument against what Common is saying if it actually attacked what Common is saying.

BN: I don't hate you! I just think you're a menace to rhetoric. (heh)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I could care less about Common, but I feel like the intellectual level of ILX is really slipping when Common says "black men who only date white women = kinda dud" and it gets reinterpreted into "Common won't date white women." This is like tabloid reporting up in here, and the discussion that followed seems weirdly oblivious to the fact that this whole conversation is pretty much daily stuff for a decent number of black people.

xpost -- Banana, it's full of weird assumptions about why black people wind up dating white people; it's easy to call blacks (especially successful ones) who date whites "sell-outs," but the fact is that in most cases (especially for young women), certain kinds of "success" mean having fewer and fewer black people in your social circle (not to mention all the middle-class blacks who grew up around white people their whole lives anyway). But really, what's this stuff about "libido calling out?" All he said is that he's slept with white women and presumably women of various races, but that he's only wound up having relationships with black women. Pretending, like the thread title does, that this is programmatic is as bad as the strawman assumption that he's making, which is that black people who mostly date white are being programmatic about it, instead of maybe sometimes just winding up there through neutral circumstance.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, have you ever had to deal with the bullshit that arises from being in (or attempting to be in) an interracial relationship? Because if you have and you're still arguing this viewpoint, you must be white.

(xpost: Nabisco desperately OTM about the intellectual level of ILX)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

are you equating heart with dick again? he's intimated where his heart lies, and also where his dick lies.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The real hot-button issue we should be discussing is: black guys who date white chicks who have dreads. Or for that matter anybody who dates white chicks with dreads. It should be against the law, I tell you.

dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

White girls they're pretty funny. Sometimes they drive me mad.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

intellectual level of ilx has been downhill for some time.

xpost if his dick is just lying somewhere, then that's hardly the point is it?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Ghost of Dan, is this an unfair restatement of Common's main points here?

1. I, Common, am a little unnerved by how common it is for dreadlocked black dudes to have white girlfriends - to the point of this trope being a stereotype. I don't like it.
1a. If these guys date exclusively white girls, they are sending a bad message to black women young & old, thereby damaging a community that is already at a disadvantage in many ways.
1b. It is my opinion that therefore they shouldn't do this.

2. Mixed relationships are OK by me but I think it's better for black people to love each other.
2a. I personally have not had relationships with women of other races, but that doesn't mean I won't toss 'em the ol' hog every now and then.
2b. However: "To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem."

3. wtf

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Banana, revise 2a to "I have slept with women of other races, but have not -- for whatever reason -- wound up seriously dating any." I mean, God: the whole stupid thing about this thread is the assumption that he's saying it's his programmatic decision to do that, when he hasn't said that at all. And it'd doubly ironic because the one major fault of his statement is that exact same assumption -- that some people are being programmatic about dating white women, which is a charge that's iffy to make about total strangers.

I mean, my line: (a) people who date a particular other race in a programmatic way are a bit suspect, but more importantly (see "White Men who Only Date Asian Women" thread); but then also (b) making the assumption that strangers are being programmatic about such things, without concrete evidence, is suspect in a much meaner way.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, you're right. As I say, I think it was the icky "not dated (giggles)" thing that got me - something just skin-crawl inducing about that.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

who knows, maybe it was just a sort of nervous tic. it's not the best idea to judge something like that solely from reading a transcript.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Ghost of Dan, is this an unfair restatement of Common's main points here?

Yes. (xposted now, but I'm posting anyway)

Common's thesis is that adopting black power signifiers while refusing to date black people is really fucking odd and self-loathing. He doesn't have anything against interracial relationships or hookups (he himself has had interracial hookups) but he thinks that people going into those relationships should do so because they love the other person, not because of self-image baggage.

I know a woman who flat-out told us that she would marry a white man who beat her over a black man who treated her like a goddess because she didn't want her kids to be as dark as her. I don't know if she still feels that way but surely that doesn't strike you as a healthy outlook on interracial dating? This is the type of thing Common is talking about.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

well its meaning doesn't actually seem that hard to parse: "I've slept with some of 'em!" though as I say, you could probably make the case for some other reading if you were starting from the premise that that couldn't be what he meant

xpost (was replying to oops): fair enough Dan

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link


i'm not going to speak for you banana nutrament, but in my case that skin-crawling feeling is brought upon by jealousy. and there's really nothing more to it. maybe people shouldn't try to enter a supposedly reasonable discussion when when their primary viewpoint is inspired by jealousy, which doesn't like to be explained through reason. which is tough, because i'm drawn to discussions of race and sex, but there's not much i can offer them other than, "i'm a sad white man who apparently feels that political and economic power isn't enough, and i want to be a stereotyped sex god, too." so i'm going to go.

markgreen, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

but I'd still argue that a healthiest stance on interracial relationships is "it doesn't really matter what race my partner is," and I know that makes my position fairly anachronistic and hippied-out. And to answer yr earlier question: yes, I'm enjoying the tenth blissful year of an interracial relationship (marriage for the past six or so), and yes, I'm the white partner.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

PHEAR MY WIZARD-LIKE PRESUPPOSITION POWERS

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone at all non white in this thread? thought not.

icecube, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

you don't get any points for "guessing" her race though Mr Genius haha

xpost haha icecube yeah you're right that white boy Dan Perry, he sure does talk a lot o' shit

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I'm sure there's a little white in my family tree somewhere given that we've been in this country since before the end of slavery, but then again so has Ice Cube.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

White person assuming everyone they're talking to about race is white, c/d?

deej.., Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

but you're assuming that there *is* meaning there, bn

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't even want to dignify that drop-in.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Especially with vahid's "Speaking as someone non-white" midway through!

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i havent read this whole thing but seriously, the POV's in this topic really do depend on if youre white or not. hope that isnt too contentious.

blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone at all non white in this thread? thought not.

I'm not.

Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

And so ends the discussion.

Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I still think my comments about his hats were the highlight.

Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

70% of black Americans have Caucasian ancestors and tens of millions of white Americans have blacks ancestors. Enough of this "I have pure Aryan blood/black mojo" nonsense. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if some of my grandfathers were brothers, if that makes any sense.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Word Cunga, word.

Norris, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone at all dated a white chick in this thread? thought not.

bettyboo (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"70% of black Americans have Caucasian ancestors and tens of millions of white Americans have blacks ancestors. Enough of this "I have pure Aryan blood/black mojo" nonsense. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if some of my grandfathers were brothers, if that makes any sense. "

yawn, when common goes to the doctors or wherever, he ticks mixed race in the ethnicity box. he is BLACK. no one is tracing that far back. stop with this hippified, 'hey were all just humans maaaaan' nonsense.

blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

People don’t look at tiger woods and see hes mixed. They say hes a black golfer, even if he something else.
xpost

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

stop with this hippified, 'hey were all just humans maaaaan' nonsense.

Yeah, totally dude. Black people are monkeys.

Senor Grubby, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark Green = OTM.

no, seriouly, the dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

My problem is that Common seems to think that it's ok to make large judgments about a black man based on 1) the race of his girlfriend 2) his haircut.

So, Common walks down the street, sees a black guy with a white girl. Based on this information, he makes a judgement about the black man's attitude toward his own race. That's shitty.

I'm in an interracial couple, and I really don't like the idea that someone thinks they've got me pegged because of my girlfriend's skin color.

Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you blue dudes have to stop getting the hots over the green polka dot chicks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"common seems to think" = "i am going to read this into what he's said"

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Nabisco is THWAP!! (arrowstrikingbullseye)

yeah, i'm pretty much diggin' the mark green commentary; kinda reminds me of that meek dude on the "de la soul is dead" skits, only instead of "i kinda like it/(SMACK!)", its "no serious- i'm kinda jealous(*slinks away*)

"most sell out, like a dread with a white girl"
-dread>>>>>>>dreadlocks. dread= David Hinds/dreadlocks= Malcolm Jamaal Warner; irony is singing songs of Garveyism and black power, then leaving the set with a Suze Orman look-alike...ain't love/lust a muthaCROCKA?.

"Have you ever dated outside your race?
Nah, not dated (giggles)."
-a rock star who's fucked randomly. AMAZING! no wait- a man who fucks against his politics? STROM-AZING!

"Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and im not acting like white girls and other races are not people."
-awkward verbal dance around the "yup, i bone white girls!" facts...

but my favorite parts of this thread are the initial "common said WHAT?! well, his album sucks!" posts in the beginning.

ps. wait'tilyouseemy... *giggles*

natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, it's the man! :-) How do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I don’t think theres anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but its almost a stereotype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl.

oops (Oops), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, dreadlocks= both David Hinds & Malcolm Jamaal Warner. and that dude from Counting Crows

natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

raggett! greetings...

natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Remind me, Natlaw, to help make you famous. It seems right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link


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