Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

Or maybe that's a stack of poorly rationalized crap and they're just thinly-veiled racists.

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Eminem doesn't.

(you can substitute Beastie Boys for Cypress Hill in this scenario)

Besides that, even, most of the tracks Em raps over are really rigid and structured and usually follow a distinct verse/chorus/verse/chorus pattern. Easier to follow for people who are accustomed to listening to rock records all day.

How does having a verse/chorus/verse pattern make Eminem different from say...every other rap artist in extistence?

http://citypaper.net/articles/071201/mus.ahmir.shtml

"She brings in Rick [Rubin], who you have to remember is the guy who invented the pop rap song. Verse, chorus, verse. Before him, hip-hop tunes were 16 minutes long..."

(there was another article on him written back in 89 that also shed light on this, but I cou;dn't find it today in a pinch)

*true with Eminem too of course, and yes i'd be suspicious about anyone who claimed to love Eminem but be dismissing 'black rap' at the same time

basically, KILL THE FOOL

Good sleuthin, man!

wtf

as does run-dmc ... and public enemy ... and dmx ... and jay-z ... and outkast ...

And Conor Oberst?

haha cuz ya know indie/white hip hop has sooo many different themes!

1) We're not "commercial bling bling" rappers
2) We have feelings
3) Bush sucks
4) The Twin really need to increase their run production if they have any hope of catching the White Sox in the division
5) It sucks that Firefly got cancelled
6) Have you tried that new Coca-Cola Zero? It tastes almost the same!

He'll love Akon then.

Man, have you heard the narrative in most Rock/Pop? This is not philosophy.

wtf.

Deej, I'm certain that these "problematic aspects" you speak of have nothing to do with implications of racism. They obviously have to do with... uh... er... gee, what do they have to do with?

That aside, I think what you're trying to say is that the point of the discussion is not to lambaste Merritt for his "racism" per se but to deconstruct the mentality of someone who could say what Merritt has, and can do so without feeling any need for self-censorship and/or political correctness. There seems to be a certain shrill "THINK OF THE CHILDEN!!!" tone to the indignant half of this crowd, but what I haven't heard is one salient argument that clearly elucidates what exactly the problem is with what he said-- in concrete, not abstract, terms.

Thanks for proving my point.

-- punis (ad...), May 14th, 2006.

Upthread Nabisco pretty much zeroed in on the problem. Black artists have raised similar issues about how some popular black entertainers reinforce sterotypes--Little Brother put out an album called the Minstel Show, Chuck D called WB & UPN We Buffoons and the United Plantation of Negroes--but the fact that Merritt picked on Cee Lo, a musician who actively fights aganst such sterotypes, calling his intro an example of minstrelsy, suggests that Merritt is far too tin eared in regards to black culture & entertainment to be commenting on it in the media or that he perceives any sign of "blackness" to equal minstrelsy.

Can't both be true?

but Merritt was responding to something someone just played for him out of the blue during the course of an interview - it's not like he was writing a piece on it. I think he should have listened to the whole song or several by the same artist, but he was just responding the same way you or I would when someone says, "hey check this out, what's your take ?" He was in this instance overreacting, surely, but from one snap judgment, and an avowed dislike of contemp hip-hop in general, to charges of racism and visceral rejection of "blackness" or whatever is going too far.

http://www.zoilus.com/documents/in_depth/2006/000761.php

Discus.

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/dig/joaquin-phoenix-rap-career-rumored-be-bull

Here's my question: why do people continue to use black culture as a place to play and get their kicks? There are some serious hip hop artists out there [Lupe Fiasco, etc], plunging deep into their souls and culture, posing questions about our times, and helping reshape the consciousness of a generation. Even the so-called "bling-rappers" are attempting to articulate the reality or pursuit of a consumer-rich life. But some whites [and others] think it's cool-beans to mock the art form by placing themselves in it and showing the world how horribly they understand or absorb it. Who cares! Why is there a platform for this? Why do some whites continue to think mocking blackness is a way to make a buck or get attention? I know this is a bit extreme, maybe, but it's a form of blackface. Yeh, I said it. Blackface. If the rumor is true [and I'm sure it is] I'm disappointed in Joaquin. Here's some advice for Joaquin and others like him: Play somewhere else! Blackface is passe!

[Lupe Fiasco, etc] solid username material

Has there been a thread on this subject yet?

i thought the beat on that one joaquin joint was aight

some white people might be saying that. or they might just be more receptive something that is more in tune with white culture. ie. eminem as opposed to say, redman or whoever.

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene),

If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?

"plunging deep into their souls and culture"

back before I registered here I would read threads like this all the way through and wonder what I would say if given the opportunity.

"If I identify with Redman moreso than Eminem, does that mean I am black?"

im not sure im too concerned. either way, you cant overlook the fact that eminems 'white' take on rap is what got him over to so many people who probably wouldnt like redman.

now is your chance, james k polk

I have never met one of these people, have you?

Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?

There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.

http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg

http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45

irish

potato originated in Peru fyi

fuckin white people...

― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)

White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"

Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato

(J Ro on "Pass Out")

any more of these?

his forte causes caucasians to say

it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not

i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.

my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.

"to white boys I'm rad"

--Pismo, "Artform"

i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rafaua3D__w/Td8Uzr3XPSI/AAAAAAAAEYg/0lcWqQvG4F0/s1600/thinking+frog.jpg

lol