Rockism Without Rock!

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This article is totally stupid!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Just approaching our least-favorite topic from a slightly different perspective.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Miles Hoffman is the violist in Gay Dad"

Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

These straw-men seem to be multiplying!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, this is sort of a masters-thesis citation for Geir. DON'T MESS WITH MY WELL-TEMPERED KLAVIER, MUTHAFUKKAS!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

How did the WQ even touch that? It reads like a high-school essay.

"Where does music come in? Music is both a balm for loneliness and a powerful, renewable source of meaning—meaning in time and meaning for time."

yr mom (yr mom), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

How did the WQ even touch that? It reads like a high-school essay.

And it got linked on Arts & Letters Daily, no less! It's symptomatic of the onset of the Bushization of snob culture. Apparently, those ivory-tower libruls views are bad, so we have to replace them with intellectually void ivory-tower conservative ones. DAVID HOROWITZ TO THREAD (well, not really . . . since if he showed up I'd have to stab my eyes out)!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Arts & Letters tends to link to an essay like this every month or so, usually alternating between music and architecture. They all take a lot of words to say things used to be better.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the term "rockist" get casually mentioned by two shoppers at my local record store two days ago.. they were talking about Lucinda Williams albums... they mentioned that one of her albums was "too rockist for her tastes". ("her" referring to the shopper who said that.)

donut e-g (donut), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The article is genuis, and every word he writes is completely correct. He has understood absolutely everything.

The only problem is, the same critizism of contemporary "classical" music has been around ever since the "Rites Of Spring" premiered in 1913, and the arguments made just as much sense back then as they do now.

Most people don't give a damn about classical music anyway, particularly not classical music that is more recent than the 19th century. Which means that today it is a lot more important to save melody in popular music from the tyranny of dissonance (or, more prominently, the completely dominance of rhythm and a lack of tunes or harmony)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the tyranny of dissonance

damn, if not for that ted leo album someone could use that for an album title!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

critizism of contemporary

this is actually a better album title, though the tyranny of dissonance comes close.

donut e-g (donut), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the guy can't write for toffee

(whatever that strange phrase means)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

HEY!

Toffee Station (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Go boil some sugar.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Pour some sugar on it, honey!

J (Jay), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we have a link to an article on why Picasso ruined proper paintings what looked like what they was supposed to be and stuff now please?

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't there a thread on the essay Why Do Smart People Listen to Such Terrible Music by Mickie Willis?

This friend of mine is a remarkably intelligent guy, a Ph.D. economics professor, and someone with wide knowledge outside his field, good judgement, and refined tastes in many things. Yet his musical tastes are similar to those of my non-music major students: popular music, specifically rock-and-roll in all its distinctions that are the mainstays of commercial radio. There was another fellow there, a physician whom I'd met at other gatherings, who was too apparently an avid rock-and-roll fan, judging from his guitar playing later in the evening. And yet another friend, an extremely intelligent engineer, joined in the guitar-accompanied sing-along that, for me, signaled time to leave. It was becoming much too much like some kind of hootenanny. I began to feel really the outsider. Mind you, all these guys are very smart, very accomplished, professional, and really decent people. They go to work, do their jobs well, have wives, girlfriends, families, pay their taxes, return their library books on time, pay their parking tickets, vote, contribute to charity . . . in short, are exemplary members of society. Yet when it comes to music, they're (in my mind anyway) completely backward.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the term "rockist" get casually mentioned by two shoppers at my local record store two days ago.. they were talking about Lucinda Williams albums... they mentioned that one of her albums was "too rockist for her tastes". ("her" referring to the shopper who said that.)

jeezo beezo.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

He has understood absolutely everything.

I think this should be an album title . . . for SLAYER! Can't you just envision the cover?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

We've seen it before: From the nineteenth-century mansions of the English landed gentry, to the forays of Manhattanites in the forties to the hot spots of Harlem, to the suburbanite professionals of today, playing gritty, funky, folksy blues on custom CD systems in their upscale luxury sedans, sports cars, and SUVs. . . it seems there is an inverse relationship between the social circumstance of some people and their attraction to the primitive; the more educated they are, the more privileged and sheltered their upbringing, the more they're attracted to and assign virtue to less sophisticated things - music included.

This angers me on more levels than I care to explain.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
Has anyone read this book?

http://spotlight.siu.edu/10192005/KevinDettmarbook.html

the rockfox (the pinefox), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

I skimmed it in the bookstore and the most I feel qualified to say is that it didn't seem stupid.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

it's okay enough,
I don't like its intro but
then it gets better

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Dettmar says rock ‘n' roll is most often attacked during moments of national crisis: fears of communism and greater teen independence in the 1950s; anti-war movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s; concerns with lyrics and formation of the Parents Music Resource Center in the mid-1980s; or the emergence of rap and hip-hop music today.

Will (will), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Among other things, that sentence seems to imply that EVERY post-war decade has been a moment of 'national crisis' ... in which case the notion of crisis seems to cancel itself out.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that sentence fails to make sense on a number of levels.

I think his overall point that rock goes through cycles and isn't necessarily dead is a reasonable one, though it'd be easy to just write him off: "English professor proves Rock not dead!" "Anthropologist finds folk traditions still alive and well!"

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)


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