rank the songs on the zombies' "odessey and oracle"

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album traxxx only, please...

1. care of cell 44
2. this will be our year
3. time of the season
4. friends of mine
5. i want her she wants me
6. brief candles
7. maybe after he's gone
8. hung up on a dream
9. beechwood park
10. changes
11. a rose for emily
12. butcher's tale

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

uhh, i guess i never finished the name of this thread. and i spelled the first word incorrectly.

moderator? can you change the title to rank the songs on the zombies' odessey & oracle?

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1 care of cell 44
2 friends of mine
3. i want her she wants me
4. time of the season
5. brief candles
6. maybe after he's gone
7. butcher's tale
8. beechwood park
9. changes
10. hung up on a dream
11. a rose for emily
12. this will be our year

b b, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dude, 12 and 7 are just straight-up WRONG!

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 14:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1) Care of Cell 44
2) Beechwood Park
3) Brief Candles
4) Maybe After He's Gone
5) This Will Be Our Year
6) Rose for Emily
7) Time of the Season
8) Friends of Mine
9) I Want Her She Wants Me
10) Changes
11) Hung Up on a Dream
12) Butcher's Tale

To be honest, sitting here I can't remember how a couple of them sound. Maybe 'I Want Her...' would move up if I could remember how it goes.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 14:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

peter, yr sentiments are understood, but i have a wierd fondness for butchers tale. one of those, i can't help it things some call a guilty pleasure. and this will beour year creeps me out in a similar but opposite way (though its now stuck in my head). i think its the delivery of "You don't have to worry/All your worried days are gone" that does it...i just get an uncomfortable twinge...

b b, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone like Nobody's cover of This Will Be Our Year? I love his cover of Porpose Song, bt am torn over this one.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. i want her she wants me
2. beechwood park
3. care of cell 44
4. brief candles
5. this will be our year
6. friends of mine
7. time of the season
8. a rose for emily
9. maybe after he's gone
10. changes
11. hung up on a dream
12. butcher's tale

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. brief candles
2. care of cell 44
3. a rose for emily
4. time of the season
5. beechwood park
6. maybe after he's gone
7. this will be our year
8. changes
9. friends of mine
10. i want her she wants me
11. hung up on a dream
12. butcher's tale

Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. care of cell 44
2. maybe after he's gone
3. this will be our year
4. changes
5. hung up on a dream
6. time of the season
7. friends of mine
8. i want her she wants me
9. brief candles
10. a rose for emily
11. beechwood park
12. butcher's tale

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

care of cell 44 is cleaning up more than i thought it would...

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. I Want Her She Wants Me
2. Friends of Mine
3. Care of Cell 44
4. Beachwook Park
5. Brief Candles
6. This Will Be Our Year
7. Time of the Season
8. A Rose for Emily
9. Maybe After He's Gone
10. Hung Up on a Dream
11. Changes
12. Butcher's Tale

I knew everyone would pick "Butcher's Tale" as their least favorite. It's a good song but it doesn't match what everyone loves about the album: The Pop-Laden, Sunshine-y, Hooks.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

care of cell 44 is obviously the best song on the album and one of the best album openers of all time. its so big.

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I agree, Todd.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. time of the season
2. brief candles
3. friends of mine
4. care of cell 44
5. maybe after he's gone
6. this will be our year
7. a rose for emily
8. i want her she wants me
9. beechwood park
10. changes
11. hung up on a dream
12. butcher's tale

not to be obvious or anything but "time of the season" was one of the peaks of '60s pop, and was the hit off this album for a damn good reason. it's an astounding recording and it has one of my favorite vocal harmony arrangements ever. i love "care of cell 44," too, but that one's always seem a tad bit overrated to me, with those near-corny beach boys rips. "brief candles" has a fabulous chorus hook and "friends of mine" is bubblegummily delicious. the last few songs are all a bit blurry in my memory, and i'm too lazy to walk across the room, pick up the cd and play it. maybe "butcher's tale" is some kind of weird bit of undiscovered brechtian genius and no one's figured it out yet.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 14 July 2005 04:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm confused as to how michael can agree with todd, considering his own ranking of "cell 44."

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 14 July 2005 04:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I skip over most of the songs besides A Rose for Emily, which is CLEARLY the best.

U = NUTS (David Allen), Thursday, 14 July 2005 05:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I agree it's the best album opener, not the best song on that album

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Thursday, 14 July 2005 05:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I always loved "Changes" the most from this album.

2) Care of Cell 44
3) Beechwood Park
4) Brief Candles
8) Maybe After He's Gone
9) This Will Be Our Year
12) Rose for Emily
5) Time of the Season
7) Friends of Mine
6) I Want Her She Wants Me
1) Changes
10) Hung Up on a Dream
11) Butcher's Tale

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed nobody seems to like "Hung Up on a Dream" - is it because it's the most psychedelic track?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's my favorite! I haven't had time to rank.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That and "Brief Candles" are my favourites!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"butchers tale" is my favorite song on that album. the intensity in the vocals is just awesomer than awesome. i would like to hear what it would sound like if Ian Curtis sang it.

That One Guy (That One Guy), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

... huh? Been listening to this a lot recently and have come up with:

1. Hung Up On a Dream
2. Brief Candles
3. Care of Cell 44
4. Maybe After He's Gone
5. Time of the Season
6. Changes
7. Friends of Mine
8. A Rose For Emily
9. This Will Be Our Year
10. Beechwood Park
11. Butcher's Tale
12. I Want Her, She Wants Me

... tho this is one of those rare albums where all the songs are good. 4-9 are too close to call really.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1. Hung Up On a Dream
2. Beechwood Park
3. A Rose For Emily
4. Care of Cell 44
5. I Want Her, She Wants Me
6. Maybe After He's Gone
7. Brief Candles
8. Time of the Season
9. Butcher's TaleChanges
10. Friends of Mine
11. This Will Be Our Year
12. Changes

zeus, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

1 Time of the Season
2 er, that's the only one I really like.

loafingoaf, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

WHO listening to this album right now???

BUCKET t, Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
I saw the Zombies this past Saturday (Aug 6, 2005)at the Ohio State Fair. Rod Argent said that the group broke up after the album and never toured after finishing it. In other words: they never performed any of these songs live. Then, much later when he reconnected with Colin Blunstone, they knew that there'd be a great deal of interest from the audience to hear music recorded on Odessey and Oracle. They played "A Rose for Emily" and "Time of the Season" when I heard them. I understand that they also do "This Will Be Our Year", "Beechwood Park" and "Care of Cell 44" .

Jim Graham, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

twelve years pass...

Had a chance to revisit O&O on a road trip recently.

1. This will be our year
The most "felt" song on the album, or maybe just the one that I personally feel the most. It could have been just another "baby, i loves ya!" number, but being more about emerging from adversity adds a surprising depth. I much prefer the version with no horn overdubs. Gains further points for the trucker's gear change coming after the first chorus instead of near the end (and the song just doesn't work without it!), and for brevity, too. An absolutely perfect pop song.

2. care of cell 44
Another nearly perfect pop song, both in writing and execution. How jaunty the choon, you'd almost not notice it's about the narrator's lover being sprung from the hoosegow. One of those rare beasts whose verse melody is as memorable as - yet very different from - the chorus's. When the background vox bust forth from their Beach Boys pastiche (you can practically hear them giggling while they perform them) into a brassy blast of "aaaah"s that sail the chorus along, you can't help but feel so good along with the narrator. "Walk/talk" middle 8 nearly loses me, but at least it's brief. A much better and less winky-wink BB takeoff than "Back in the USSR," for my money.

3. hung up on a dream
This one is an unusual artifact: it sees through the horseshit of the hippie moment, while genuinely expressing its attractions. A pretty big achievement during that highly charged time. Very effective alternating between sweet and sinister. The tempo changes add a druggy, dreamlike quality to this one - nice mimesis! Love the thundering drums, the little guitar lick in the verses, and the baroque instrumental break.

4. butcher's tale
Although it definitely doesn't belong on this album either musically or thematically, it's one of the best-composed songs on the record. Despite its out-of-place-ness, I always find myself getting sucked into its harrowing little world, and I find it genuinely creepy and absorbing. I don't know what I'd rather they had done with it; it deserves to be heard but both the song and the album suffer for its inclusion.

5. time of the season
Obviously a great single and a great performance. That rhythm track! That mood! But as a song it's a little under-composed. It loses points for the meandering jammy solo that pads it out, and for the repetition of the second verse. Either of which would have been forgivable on its own, but taken together they feel slightly lazy. I have hippie friends who despise this song because of "who's your daddy? Is he rich like me?" That weird bit of braggadocio makes me fonder of it somehow.

6. friends of mine
Almost too sweet to bear - a progenitor of twee indie? - this is a jaunty, pleasant track and not much more. It gets bonus points for being about other people instead of "you and me." Loses points for "the things that you say, the things that you do." The couples' sung names as backing vox should be a bridge too far, but the genuine love they're sung with makes them an appealing detail instead of sickening.

7. a rose for emily
Lovely, but precious. Its simplicity is appealing on an album that sometimes verges on being overproduced. Some nice moments in the vocal arrangement but hard to get behind as a whole. Eleanor Rigby Emily ain't, quite.

8. changes
Lovely, but precious. Feels a bit medieval - on purpose, I'm sure - and not just musically, but structurally and thematically. The preoccupation with the trappings of wealth must have rankled hippies in much the same way "is he rich like me" did. Strawberry and peppermint could have stayed home - reflex of the times and a rhythmic pad instead of images the song needed. Somewhat impressive as a thing qua thing, but feels contrived also - a school exercise more than a felt thing.

9. brief candles
A mostly really great chorus, particularly in the production - the ticking rimshots, the hissing organ - brought to a screeching halt by each over-composed verse. We just can't care about these cardboard-cutout people, as lovely as the melody that tells their stories is. "Her sadness makes her smile" is just toothless schoolboy irony, a cliche, and unfortunately it's the punchline of the otherwise impeccable chorus.

10. I want her she wants me
Nice verse melody, but the song wears out its welcome pretty quickly. Underproduced and a slight composition (with a 1965 middle eight dragging it down). It's okay - would have been better if it didn't repeat its grating refrain quite so much.

11. maybe after he's gone
I feel bad putting this so low; i always recall it as a better song and a better performance than it is when I listen to it. Good verse melody marred by maudlin lyrics, sung with little energy (I would have left you too, ya wet mopey bastard!). I like the drumming in the verses. Loses points for a crappy edit in the coda - that layers and drives home the crappiest part of the song: the crappy chorus.

12. beechwood park
Lazy songwriting, lousy verse melody, no hook to speak of. Somewhat successful in its appeal to nostalgia if you don't pay too close attention. Works as a mood piece.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 3 September 2017 03:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

Great post, hd.
When I first discovered this album I became a bit obsessed with 'I Want Her She Wants Me', which has always been a personal favourite. It often gets neglected and rarely mentioned as a highlight, but for me it's still probably my favourite. I was relistening to this the other day too and started really getting into 'Butcher's Tale' as a great bit of Crimsonesque proto-prog.

Shat Parp (dog latin), Sunday, 3 September 2017 07:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

hung up on a dream is such a unique and gorgeous song

niels, Sunday, 3 September 2017 11:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

yup, that's the top one for me.

PaulTMA, Sunday, 3 September 2017 16:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

This Will Be Our Year is too good. the whole album is great. fwiw i love "Beechwood Park" as a mood poem and song (killer middle eight).

I have hippie friends who despise this song because of "who's your daddy? Is he rich like me?" That weird bit of braggadocio makes me fonder of it somehow

always took this to be mocking of material wealth in favor of spiritual wealth. thus the line goes "Is he rich?" "Is he rich like me?" still bragging but it's a new consciousness rather money/possessions.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 3 September 2017 16:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

'Hung Up On A Dream' is the best track on the LP, followed by 'Brief Candles' ...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 3 September 2017 17:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

I just love those chord changes.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 3 September 2017 17:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

Love hardcore dilettante's write-up despite disagreeing with a lot of it! 'I Want Her...' is the only less-than-great song here and yeah both 'Brief Candles' and 'Beechwood Park' are near the top for me.

Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 3 September 2017 18:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thanks, folks! I don't know if I agree with everything I wrote, even. And re-reading it, I sound way harsher on the bottom half of songs than I really feel. My inner critic goes ape when unleashed. In truth, I love this record front to back and never skip a song. I think today I'd switch "brief candles" and "I want her".

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 4 September 2017 04:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

Care of Cell 44
Hung up on a Dream
I Want Her She Wants Me
Brief Candles
Changes
This Will Be Our Year
A Rose for Emily
Time of the Season
Friends of Mine
Maybe After He's Gone
Beechwood Park
Butcher's Tale

timellison, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 05:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

'Maybe After He's Gone' rules so much. This album should have been huge - in terms of songwriting it absolutely annihilates Sgt. Pepper's...

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 06:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/the-zombies-rip.html

Did you guys see this "follow-up album" creation?

Worth a look...

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 09:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

Disappointed that so many people here are putting Butcher's Tale as their least favourite. That song rules.

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

Disappointed that so many people here are putting Butcher's Tale as their least favourite. That song rules.

― josh az (2011nostalgia)

I can help with that. It's always been one of my favourites.

Care of Cell 44
Butcher's Tale
Friends of Mine
A Rose for Emily
Beechwood Park
Maybe After He's Gone
This Will Be Our Year
Time of the Season
Brief Candles
Hung up on a Dream
I Want Her She Wants Me
Changes

kitchen person, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 03:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

ugh this is like ranking childrenbeloved cats

hung up on a dream
care of cell 44
friends of mine
brief candles
this will be our year
beechwood park
a rose for emily
time of the season
i want her she wants me
butcher's tale
maybe after he's gone
changes

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

I like all of the songs individually - but find the album as a whole too much to take.

Luna Schlosser, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

...Though will be seeing them play the album in London later this month.

Luna Schlosser, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

the version I originally heard had Imagine The Swan on the end, and that version makes sense to me

Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:09 (ten months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Had a real blast seeing the Zombies playing this album this evening at the Palladium in London. I find it impossible to rank the songs, but Hung Up on a Dream was the clear highlight for me.

Luna Schlosser, Friday, 29 September 2017 22:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

Really nice vibe as a gig; a very faithful recreation of the O&O album, lots of emotional late middle-aged men bonding and agreeing how wonderful it was, and late middle-aged couples holding each other and gently dancing together.

Luna Schlosser, Friday, 29 September 2017 22:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

how have I only just discovered this? esp with tt claiming it might be her favourite album. a VERY GOOD SHOUT tbah

Brief Candles
Hung Up On A Dream
A Rose For Emily
Care Of Cell 44
Butcher's Tale
This Will Be Our Year
Friends Of Mine
Time Of The Season
Changes
Beechwood Park
Maybe After He's Gone
I Want Her She Wants Me

12 is merely good. 9-11 are really good. 5-8 are amazing. 3-4 are extraordinary. 1 and 2 are pure psychedelia

imago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:25 (six months ago) Permalink


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