Actual post-punk tracks (circa '77-'84) that sound like they could easily be neo-post-punk/dancepunk/electroclash/whatever tracks

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Compliment or insult, it's your call. Personally, I like most of the following tracks--but only the very few, very best "neo" stuff I've heard measures up. . .

Marine - "Animal in my Head"
Dif Juz - "Cs"
Neon Judgement - "TV Treated"
Crash Course in Science - "Factory Forehead"
Blackouts - "Dead Man's Curve"
Big Flame - pretty much anything--maybe because they were the first Go4 total ripoff band. . .
Chris Carter - "The Beat"
Industry - "Ready for the Wave"
Massacre - "Gate"

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

james chance - contort yourself (when i first heard it two years ago i thought it was a recent release)

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 15 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

I guess the initial question is...where are the bands today that sound like Animal in my Head so I can go see them!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Simple Minds - Changeling!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Haha I *knew* you'd say that, Dan.

I don't think any sounds as good--but I can see fooling some kids that it were by a !!!-related band, that sort of thing.

Speaking of which, I think Pigbag's early singles could pass. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

ESG "Erase You"

I coulda swooorn it was Fannypack when I first heard it.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Friday, 15 July 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Disagree a bit about Big Flame being a total rip-off of Gang of 4. They sound a hell of a lot more like the Fire Engines.

Does "Suicide A Gogo" by Big in Japan fit the bill? How about "Mealy Mouths" by the Mackenzies, though it's from about 1987 I think.

everything, Friday, 15 July 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

Grauzone.. almost everything they did, but particularly "Eisbär" and the proto-Fischerspoonerisms that are "Hinter den Bergen", "Träume mit mir", and "Ich lieb sie"

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

Also, Grace Cale's Dub Set prototyped !!! to a T, exactly

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

(..without the singer being as annoying that is.)

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

D.A.F. -- anything off the first five albums, pretty much.

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Hula "Release The Grip" from Cut From Inside

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

The Normal - "TVOD"

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 15 July 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

"Dirty" - Hard-Corps.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 15 July 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

ah i love that tune mike

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 15 July 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

great question.

no gdm?

piscesboy, Friday, 15 July 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

DAF my arse

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 15 July 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

When I first saw !!!, before they started using electronics, they sounded EXACTLY like Pigbag.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

xex, "Fashion Hurts." You can imagine it as a Chicks on Speed original or something.

I was gonna say Pigbag, but Dan beat me to it.

mike a, Friday, 15 July 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Also:
Medium Medium, "Hungry So Angry"
Blurt, "My Mother Was A Friend Of An Enemy Of The People"

mike a, Friday, 15 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

The Normal - "Warm Leatherette"
Gina X Performance - "No GDM"
Cristina - "What's a Girl to Do"
Gang of Four - "To Hell With Poverty!"
The Fall - "I Feel Voxish"
Visage - "Fade to Grey"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 15 July 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Fade to Grey is like, the template for Electroclash.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

George Harrasment - "Re-Entry"

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 15 July 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Actually that entire first Visage album is a template for electroclash and lighter post-punk.

"Tar"! This is guaranteed hipster dance floor napalm.

donut ferry (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Mully, what's your beef with DAF?

donut ferry (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Gina X Performance - "Nice Mover"
23 Skidoo - everything they released around 1981 and 1982
This Heat - "24 Track Loop"
The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More in its entirety
The Pop Group - We Are All Prostitutes single

Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Expand it to 1986 and you've got Shop Assistants "Safety Net"

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

And the whole of Breathless - The Glass Bead Game as well.

Tim mentioned "Changeling" -- but a bunch of other SM tracks between 1979 and 1981 could be on here easily, although "Changeling" would have been my first choice, too.

Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 15 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Sexual Harassment - I Need a Freak

I always wonder whether this record got enough play among hipsters to influence them. If I had to guess who had heard it: Chicks on Speed, Peaches, all that crap.

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Friday, 15 July 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

after "If I Gave You a Party" showed up on the Anti-NY compilation(illegally), some other label, also I think illegally, put out a 12" with some remixes, I think Selway was on there. Since then copies have suddenly become common, for some reason. I don't mean bootlegs, maybe somebody found a box of the original 12". But before that I never used to hear it, I only heard If I Gave You a Party.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Upthread -

Neon Judgement - "TV Treated"

I love this song, and this is one of the best examples for this thread so far!

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

well, if we're bringing up peaches and chicks on speed, here are some foreshadowing "post punk classics" then..

Vanity 6 "Drive Me Wild", "Make Up"

donut ferry (donut), Friday, 15 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

that entire album is totally prescient.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

[i]When I first saw !!!, before they started using electronics, they sounded EXACTLY like Pigbag.

-- Dan Selzer (danselze...), July 15th, 2005.[/i]


Same re: Out-Hud, circa '99 or so. I have to admit, they played a couple of really fun shows in my town one summer, and I really enjoyed them. Unfortunately, their LP was a real dissapointment, years later.

[i]Neon Judgement - "TV Treated"

I love this song, and this is one of the best examples for this thread so far!

-- Colonel Poo (colonelpo...), July 15th, 2005[/i]

Yeah, hearing that song for the first time in a while, after hearing some "electroclash" stuff for the first time ever a couple weeks back is what made me think to post the question.


Sub-topic: I don't think there really are bands that sound like them now, but there easily could be:

Thick Pigeon
Essendon Airport (though you could argue some semi-cerebral/semi-cutesy 90s stuff sounded like them)
B.E.F. (especially the first one)

If there were a band that could pull off This Heat's range, I'd be inspired. If there were a band that could catch up with Can, 35 years on. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

"Make Up" belongs in the year 2043, it's not contemporary at all.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Friday, 15 July 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Seems like the DAF stuff should be separated. I don't think super-early DAF sounds too much like neo post-punk... It's too aggresive and fucked-up especially those live tracks from that obscure-cassette-comp-turned-bootleg CD-R. But, after a few records, I can see them sounding more like this new stuff.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 16 July 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

i have no beef with DAF donut...jus that they don't belong here. they sound way to primitive, fucked up, simple, beautiful...there are no "knowing winks" in them. they are not "clever". plus how many of the new "postpunk" groups sing in male s&m german.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Saturday, 16 July 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

but lots of new stuff could be said to be not to dissimilar to later DAF. Hell, I'd say the sound of DAF on those records has pretty much been on constant, for better or for worse, since then.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

Thick Pigeon

Very true, even if I'm not terribly fond of them. I could imagine Out Hud covering "Troglodytes".

Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 16 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

I had an urge out of the blue today to hear a song I don't even own - "Pop Muzik" by M. I remember being of an age 10 or less and at elementary school, maybe 1979 or early 1980, I'm not really sure now. There was an hour period the teachers had set aside for us kids to bring records and dance to them. Someone brought the single "Pop Muzik" by M and we played it on a silly record player that folded up into a bulky suitcase and probably had the name of the school on it. I had a very real sense there and then that music had completely shifted, this single was like nothing I'd ever heard. Not an underground classic of course, and rather sacchrine in hindsight, but evidence of the tectonic plates moving. Before such things as Eurythmics "Sweet Dreams" even existed. The only thing I'd heard before that that would have seemed to pave the way for it was Blondie's "Heart of Glass". But even then, I think it's only when I heard M's "Pop Muzik" that I was baptized and convinced that new wave existed. The underground bubbles up into the charts in strange ways sometimes.

But none of that mattered of course in the moment, because Disco was so huge at the time.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

hey dan i don't doubt a kind of lineage - i just doubt if you played a DAF track (to someone who couldn't recognise them) anyone would go "o...noughties neo-post-punk/dancepunk/electroclash"

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

Depends on which track.. "Der Mussolini"? Sorry, Mully, but I think the crowds would start alektro'ing their klash on to this... "Danz Der Adolf HITLA! UNH! UNH!" That's hard to argue with on the dance floor...(not hard to argue with on a message board, sure!)

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

ok my experience on the dancefloor doesn't go that far...so, ok ;)

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I can see a few tracks on 'All Ist Gut' fooling some kids, but (for better or worse) I detect a hint of indie rock/"electronica" in all the electroclash I've heard--something very post-90s as much as it's feteshising the early 80s. And DAF sounds clearly pre-90s, inasmuch as kids probably heard the music DAF influenced heavily in the late 80s/90s.

Along the DAF line, though, I'll propose parts of Front242's 'Goegraphy' (some of which could easily become a Missy or Grimey hip-hop track, methinks ("Black White Blue").

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

It seems like there might be a Bunnydrums track that would fit here, but I can't think which off the top of my head.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I was at a rock and roll show the other day (rare occurance, but it was fairly fun--Of Montreal, much much better than I remembered them) and before the band played, someone put Numan's 'Replicas' on the PA, and it seemed to go over well. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Oh! And I've been pleasantly surprised at how young people respond to New Order's "Chosen Time".

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

No doubt, during the prime electroclash era of the early 00's, at least here in NYC, Der Mussolini got a lot of play. One part of the initial impetus of electroclash that also leaked over to aspects of the neo-post-punk scene was the trend of Techno DJs getting bored with the new stuff and starting to play the more industrial stuff they grew up with, or at least were later exposed to, such as Join in the Chant by Nitzer Ebb, Headhunter by Front 242, and w/ a bit of a history lesson, Der Mussolini. These songs were played constantly in the late 90s/early 00s, and I'm not talking about industrial djs, but proper techno djs and the hipster djs.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I'll throw in Liaisons Dangereuses. How about "Peut Etre . . . Pas"

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Dan--in answer to your "who sounds like Marine" thing---I think it's mainly that "chopper" guitar style that has currency today.


Something about most neo-"dancepunk"/"electro" stuff I've heard seems to have been filtered through the Knight Rider themesong. . .

Others can tell me, cause I don't know---does dropping JB's "There Was a Time" or the Meters' "Cissy Strut" still fuck people up? I hope? Or has the beat moved on?

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Anne Clark - "Our Dakness", "Sleeper In Metropolis"
Taxi Girl - "Chercher Le Garçon"

Seb (Seb), Sunday, 17 July 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

This does make a great idea for a comp... "Actual post-punk tracks that sound like they could easily be neo-post-punk/dance tracks"... it would have to be given a different title.. and the dates of the songs would have to be faked, so the kids wouldn't be caught d/l'ing this thinking these tracks are all "sooooo, like, retro, which is sooo 2004". haha.

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 17 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

(i guess that means the band names and songs might have to be faked, but that's a bit shitty and uneducational, and I think the "lesson will have been taught" once any d/l'er used google on their fave tracks anyway. :) )

donut ferry (donut), Sunday, 17 July 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Haha yeah. I admit to lying about when a track is from in order to trojan horse through the "I like Interpol better than Joy Division" defenses of a youngster. Use the innate boost that "newness" gives music to their ears as an advantage, not a block.


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(i guess that means the band names and songs might have to be faked, but that's a bit shitty and uneducational, and I think the "lesson will have been taught" once any d/l'er used google on their fave tracks anyway. :) )

Haha I hadn't thought to take it that far. But it might be a great idea! "!!! - Sunny Day (12" version) [2005]," "LCD Soundsystem - TV Treated (Williamsburg Mix) [2005]"


hahah

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

that's not so far from the truth, you have our own Twitch doing Contortions, DFA working with Liquid Liquid, Tussle meets Don Armondo etc.

Last time I played Delta 5's Mind Your Own Business some girl thanked me so much for playing Chicks on Speed. I was greatful enough of her appreciation to not bother correcting her.

Likewise, many years ago a friend was djing my listening party and played the 15th by Wire. Sure enough someone asked if it was a Fischerpooner remix.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 17 July 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha awesome, just awesome.

I had a kid call in to ask which !!! track I'd played (when I played "Sunny Day"). Which may well have been what jumped me onto the whole 1981 box thing, and now this minor fascination.

I'll need to recruit someone to tell me the good electroclash/dancepunk/p-p-revival/Pitchforkmedia names to use that might be believable. . .

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm wanting to try to work Comsat Angels in there, somehow. . . anyone doing that kind of thing these days?

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I think you could also probably work in:

Siouxsie & The Banshess - "Lunar Camel"
Family Fodder - "Savoir Faire"

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Also definitely:

Sonic Youth - "The Burning Spear" (Blonde Redhead - "The Burning Spear" [2005])

and maybe

Shriekback - "Mothloop"

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, my whole M Pop Muzik thing was unrelated to the theme of this thread, I realize. I just felt like posting it and it seemed like a nice thread to put it on.

I admit I struggle a bit with the theme of this thread, though. It seems to me I've heard a FEW old things which sound contemporary, but not many. I still say the second Suicide album sounds rather contemporary at times.

Most recently though I've discovered this band called Funkapolitan from 1982 that sound an awful lot like !!! to me (though I've always felt !!! come across a bit too amateurish for my tastes - at least the vocalist). I found out about Funkapolitan from looking at a book of Peter Saville album cover designs. It's a stunning sleeve I think, even by his standards. Hopefully this image will post correctly:

http://scd.mm-b1.yimg.com/image/803316848

As for new things that sound old, I'll second Out Hud as the first thing that comes to mind - much of the material on their early singles would have fooled me had I not known. Remarkable. And yes, their album(s) suck in comparison.

Anyone here heard the Dead 60's yet? I'm rather intrigued by what they have done with the whole post-punk thing. Despite the fact that the first track on the album sounds WAY too much like Gang of Four, and I didn't like the second track either, there's still some really nice stuff to be found on the album. They seem capable of understanding how much a minimalistic production is needed, and I appreciate that they decided incorporating dub/reggae in their sound would be a good thing. Which it is! Get on board you post-punk poseurs!

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm still trying to decide how good I think Maximo Park are. Better than the Futureheads, perhaps, but probably not as good as the Dead 60's.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Also, I'm curious to look up that Neon Judgement track. I used to have an early EP of theirs, somehing with a black sleeve and red letters. It was good, but I haven't heard it since '87 or so.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Also, I agree it would seem simple for there to be contemporary acts that sound like Thick Pigeon. But then Stanton Miranda is such a unique artist...I can easily see someone doing it and coming up with much worse lyrics and ruining it all.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Also it makes me angry that Dead 60s are accused of sounding like the Specials when the only song on the whole album that sounds like The Specials is the last one!

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

i like futureheads better then maximo park, though I haven't heard much of the latter.

Funkapolitan are a nice crossover act in that they can be seen as part of that UK faux-latin post-post-punk new pop thing (Modern Romance, Working Week, etc) but were good or smart enough to be produced by Kid Creole. I have the LP and the 12" that features the "rap" version of "Time Goes By", which was definitely the hit. My copy of the LP, which was a gift from Danny Wang and I'd never heard before(he said "you'll like this) has "Time Goes By" written on it followed by the BPM in that standard DJ way of highlighting the one track the DJ wanted to remember to play. It's definitely pretty hip these days, I know a number of disco DJs in NY at least who are fans and who play it.

And yes, fucking amazing sleeve. Foil-stamped awesomeness.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

For Siouxsie, I'd go with "Red Light". Also, hasn't anybody said "Blue Monday" yet???!!!

Seb (Seb), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

i obviously haven't heard enough post-punk/dancepunk/electroclash to comment.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

For people who are sick to death of Blue Monday, I recommend the Berlin New Order gig, 8 April 1984.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

What? Fuck! I WAS AT THAT GIG!!! Barney got incredibly annoyed with the audience, who were all trying to out-cool the band by not reacting to anything they did. As the band got angrier, the music got better - I remember them doing a storming version of Temptation at the end. Didn't they rather cock Blue Monday up, somewhere near the beginning? I can't quite remember. So this gig was recorded? Where can I find it? Huh? Huh?

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

Huh, I have to dig out that Funkapolitan record now. I bought it for the sleeve and the promising band name but I remember it being pretty shitty.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

\Neo post-punk bands don't do enough goofy fucked up shit, like the Pop Group./

nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

They are all too sleak and "cool"... too composed.

nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

Human League - Sound of the Crowd
Ultravox - My Sex
Early Spandau and Visage.
I'm old, so when I hear Fischerspooner, all i hear in my head is Visage and Ultravox. Makes me wanna put on my puffy shirt and pirate hat!

Pirate Pierre, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

i am glad someone said "Red Light" by the Banshees... essential.

what about "White Car in Germany" or "Property Girl" most tracks off orginal version of "Affectionate Punch" LP by Associates...
"Ricky's Hand" "Lady Shave" "Fireside Favorites": Fad Gadget
"U-Men": Front 242
The Normal was already stated thankfully...
What about the Robert Rental material?

ebenoit, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I realised just now that all of the lamest "post-punk revival bands" that actually sound anything like post-punk-that-isn't-Echo-&-The-Bunnymen-Covering-Radiohead-Covering-Joy-Division in fact sound like Section 25, a la "Knew Noise".

I.M. (I.M.), Friday, 28 April 2006 04:29 (twenty years ago)

who is the postpunk revival keith levene?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)

My good friend grimly fiendish feels that the new Liars album reminds him of Section 25, specifically "The Key of Dreams" album. I think the new Liars is actually quite good, but I can't see it in those terms, really. It seems more like something Radiohead connected, something Radiohead might wish they had done at this stage of their game.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:33 (twenty years ago)

twelve years pass...

"Dirty" - Hard-Corps.
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 15 July 2005 08:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I actually posted on this thread way back when, and have just now heard this song and it rules

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 30 June 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)


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