t/s: megadeth "rust in peace" vs "countdown to extinction"

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the albums, i mean.

the last word in technical thrash metal ("holy wars" / "five magics" / "polaris") burdened by some middle-third filler vs super-catchy almost-hard-rock album with no filler?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Rust in Peace! Countdown is cold and perfectly executed but RiP is that raw, hot shit (with less filler I think!).

I could stand never to hear Symphony of Destruction or Sweating Bullets again, but Polaris came on the college radio station when I was driving home at 3 a.m. recently and I sat transfixed in the driveway.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I just watched a zombie movie with a Megadeth joke in it tonight, so I was thinking about this.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the thing abt countdown that was so amazing though was how megadeth managed to keep from diluting the vibe, even though they chopped song lengths in half and embraced accessibility. so many awesome tracks i can remember in their entirety, even though i haven't listened to the album since probably 1997 or something ("skin of my teeth" / "high speed dirt" / "psychotron"/ "captive honour" etc)

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel the same way about RiP's memorability, but that's probably because I got that cassette first and wore it out before hearing CtE.

Mostly what I remember about CtE were stories about how they measured every pitch bend against a tuner to make sure it was perfect and took weeks to get the drum sound.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll go with CTE

Yet neither can stand up to "The System Has Failed". The songs are extremely well written. Mustaine's voice is actually very melodic on their latest disc....at least as melodic as possible for him. He sings, not growls or barks. He should be extremely proud of how good he sounds on this and how far he has come as a musician.
Chris Poland rips loose with some intelligent jazz fusion influenced solos and Mustaine's guitar soloing compliments the songs perfectly.
And the biggest improvement over any previous Megadeth release is the rhythm section. The bass actually provides bottom and grooves in a vein that was never before evident on a Megadeth disc.
The drumming is just awe-inspiring. This drummer learned the songs, devised his parts and recorded the tracks in only three days. That's a world class pro at work there. And the playing is just so friggin' exact, so friggin' precise, and again the songs groove in a way that Megadeth never has before.
It is rare when a band can return with such a solid work to put out as product for the public. This disc is definitely one of those rare occasions. Best disc of 2004, in my opinion.

bahtology, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i say rust in peace.

the last word in technical thrash metal

dunno about that. deathrow, coroner, hellwitch, atheist, sadus, hexx, forbidden, watchtower, c'mon...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Rust In Peace definitely. No filler, better sequencing, better riffs, more intense vibe. Best Megadeth album by far. I was and still am very disappointed with CTE, the only really good track is "Symphony Of Destruction", everything else is so stale and...weak. Everything that this album attempted to do (mainly, shorter & catchier songs) they perfected a year later in the soundtrack exclusive track "Angry Again".

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
rust in peace has no filler at all

thrash metal at its finest i would suggest.

countdown is also very good, particularly the title track, 'architecture of aggression', 'this was my life', and 'ashes in your mouth'

Charlie Howard, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

This isn't even close. "Rust" by mile.

Bill Magill, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Chris Poland rips loose with some intelligent jazz fusion influenced solos

UGH

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been digging on "poison was the cure" lately

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't think i've ever even heard countdown to extinction. i like rust in peace. as i write this i am listening to *so far, so good...so what!*

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

^^ my least favorite megadeth album.

what's good on that one?

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

other than "502"

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link

OK i'm leaving out anything after CtE in that assessment.

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

good from 'so far, so good...':

'in my darkest hour'
'mary jane'
'hook in mouth'

and 'set the world afire' is ok

the other tracks range from lacklustre to pretty embarassing as far as i'm concerned

Charlie Howard, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I loved 'Rust in Peace' but when 'So Far' came out but that "Anarchy in the U.K." cover was so goddam embarassing i never wanted to have anything to do with them again.

I caught the Heaven and Hell show a couple weeks back (who were fucking godhead) but didn't bother to arrive in time for Megadeth

Stormy Davis, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

haha. and who the fuck were jeff young and chuck behler? i mean, seriously

Charlie Howard, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Rust in Peace came out after So Far So Good.....

Bill Magill, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

oops, I meant 'PEace Sells'. see, i told ya I stopped paying attention!

Stormy Davis, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

HEEEEY, THIS WAS MY LIFE

listening to countdown for the first time in ages and i'm lovin' it. sooo many riffs you can groove to. classic track after classic track. i'm even digging 'psychotron' which always used to bug me.

rust still wins, simply by virtue of being my favourite thrash record.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Rust in Peace all the way. The hooks are tight as fuck, and some are catchy enough to be almost pop.

chap, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

RiP, all the way. but i still gotta special place for 'Peace Sells, Who's Buying?' AND 'Killing Is My Business..."
oh, to be 13/14 and still under the impression that metal would take this planet by storm...

edde, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

?!?

metal DID take the planet by storm

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Wasn't RiP after Peace Sells too?

Jordan, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

(it was)

Holy shit, I forgot that Megadeth recorded tracks with Vinnie Colaiuta. I'd kind of like to hear that.

Jordan, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link

"Holy Wars" is the best song Megadeth ever wrote. And "Polaris" is in the top three, top five.

CtE is the album that made me stop listening to Megadeth.

pgwp, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

polaris has some pretty lame lyrics though

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

DISCHARGE MY!!! PAYLOAD!!!!

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 18 May 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

come on, mustaine was ahead of the game when it came to nuclear warfare!!!!

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 19 May 2007 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, to be 13/14 and still under the impression that metal would take this planet by storm...

Didn't you watch Eurovision?

Siegbran, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

haha those sneering heavy metal cellists to kick off the voting were amazing.. also moldova had some kind of operatic metal thing goin on

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i think "rust in peace" was remastered?? does anybody have any opinions on the differences, if there are any?

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know, but thePeace Sells remaster sounds really good.

Reatards Unite, Saturday, 19 May 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

"Holy Wars" is the best song Megadeth ever wrote. And "Polaris" is in the top three, top five.

Absolutely, and Tornado of Souls is up there too.

chap, Saturday, 19 May 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

'take no prisoners' is an awesome live song. and awesome on disc for that matter.

'five magics' is pretty damn blissful

Charlie Howard, Sunday, 20 May 2007 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link

i think they remaster all the 80's MD, w/ bonus tracks no less!

edde, Sunday, 20 May 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i think "rust in peace" was remastered?? does anybody have any opinions on the differences, if there are any?

actually, buyer beware--parts of Rust in Peace were actually *re-recorded* when it was remastered

Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 20 May 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

listening just now, the original so far, so good... has terrible production

what the hell went wrong there?

Charlie Howard, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

They're still great in concert. I saw them Saturday.

Bill Magill, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

did he rerecord the bass parts or am i confusing megadeth with mayhem?

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 21 May 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

what the hell went wrong there?

If I recall correctly, the budget ran out before the final mix so the band did it themselves.

Siegbran, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Was Polairs some kind of response to Metallica's Orion?

calstars, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link

not really. '...polaris' was about nuclear war. i'm not even sure what 'orion' was about, given the lack of lyrics.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link

So Far, so Good... is actually my favorite Megadeth album, and I love Megadeth a lot. I was never bothered by the production or the cover, because the rest of the songs were so damn good. "Holy Wars" is one of my least favorite Megadeth songs, though. Never quite clicked for me.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

doesnt mustaine have writing credit on orion?

chaki, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link

jeff treppel i think you might be bizarro-me.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Sweating Bullets is still such a ridiculous song

charlie h, Friday, 13 March 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link

rrnnrnrrACTin LIKE a RO-BOT

j., Friday, 13 March 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Hearing RIP for the first time in > 20 years and it kicks ass

calstars, Thursday, 13 August 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link

It certainly does! Excellent production, too.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Thursday, 13 August 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link

watchiim beecome a ghaAUud

j., Thursday, 13 August 2015 03:29 (eight years ago) link

the shouting men's chorus on 'take no prisoners' kind of sounds like a boisterous night at kiwanis

j., Thursday, 13 August 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link

Rust in Peace is the best Megadeth album by a ludicrous margin.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 13 August 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link

RiP = MoP
CtD = AJFA

lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link

CtE = The Black Album surely.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

oops CtE. Youthanasia is totally the black album though!

lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link

http://991.com/newGallery/Megadeth-Rust-In-Peace-499337.jpg

I just noticed that the chains on the side of the head of the dude look kind of like the curly hair style that some Jewish men have. Surely this is just coincidence?

calstars, Friday, 14 August 2015 02:31 (eight years ago) link

i'm always surprised by how "Wacky" megadeth vocals are... reminds me of like, nomeansno

flopson, Friday, 14 August 2015 02:42 (eight years ago) link

oh, i never looked that closely, i thought the skeleton was wearing headphones

j., Friday, 14 August 2015 02:46 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Why does the remaster of Rust In Peace say "remixed and remastered" so prominently? How different is the mix?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 September 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

very. it's super punchy

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 September 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link

it sort of makes it sound like a clean and precise modern metal record but it kinda sucks the air from the room imo

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 September 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link

Is it significantly worse off for that?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 3 September 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

Whatever the case may be, I listened to this version and liked it a lot. Even the bonus track "My Creation" is amazing. He's a much better singer than I expected too.

Surprised Mustaine hasn't been on Joe Rogan.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 February 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

Is it significantly worse off for that?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, September 3, 2015 12:22 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sorry it took me three years to answer this question but: no, not really, i don’t hate the megadeth remixes even though i prefer how the records originally sounded

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 15 February 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Forgotten to mention Mustaine in the notes saying he wanted to change Marty Friedman's last name because it didn't sound metal enough, then added "Oy vey!"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 February 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link

lol. was that on the original or a reissue?

☮️ (peace, man), Sunday, 23 February 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link

Reissue

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 February 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link

Never liked the reissue of Rust In Peace. He also changed the words to some songs, since they had to rerecord the vocals since the original vocal tracks were lost or something.

Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link


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