what is that crappy spanish dance music for blaring out of cars called

Where are you located? That could be a clue.

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it annoys me enough, but i won't poop on it any more as long as it doesn't keep me awake at night.

Just about any music blaring from a car is annoying. Except Buzzcocks.

I think I got here too late to make a "it's called la musica mas ruida de los autos lame joke. I like norteno.

Message board notation is awesome.

or is there no such thing as bad music and genres with little quality?

romance novels: s&d
infomercials: s&d

btw, Good romance novel = Daphne DuMaurier's "Rebecca" (also made into an excellent Hitchcock film)

name good infomercials?
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is that why there's a romance novel award named after DuMaurier? My copy of the book had a red satin curtain background w/raised gold lettering on the front in a flowing script. looked pretty goddamned romantic to me.

the thing is, millions of people love & are moved by corridos, and it's KILLER dance music if you know how to dance zapatiado or any other country-people dancing-on-boards-at-the-backyard-wedding-party-with-a-whole-pig-roasting-in-a-dug-out-pit styles. Sure, one could imagine a "bad genre." This ain't it, though. That all you're hearing is "OOM-cha OOM-cha" only means you don't understand it. The attraction is the narrative, and the feeling, and you have to actually engage with the music to get any of that. Listen to some Chalino Sanchez and get back to me.

Is Rebecca typical of most work by Dumaurier? Well, it probably is romance. Or maybe it is cross-genre. Never read it, but I would call the hitchcock movie gothic-suspense and not romance. What do you think about Gone with the Wind? Never seen that.

Looky here

Genre
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

A genre is any of the traditional divisions of art forms from a single field of activity into various kinds according to criteria particular to that form.

A genre is always a vague term with no fixed boundaries. Many works also cross into multiple genres. In general there are three types of genre:

* Those of setting, such as westerns or science fiction
* Those of mood, such as comedy or horror
* Those of format, such as musicals or non-fiction

Infomercial
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Infomercials are television commercials that run as long as a typical television program.

Infomercials are often made to closely resemble actual television programming, usually talk shows, with minimal acknowledgement that the program is actually an advertisement.

An infomercial is designed to solicit a direct response which is specific and quantifiable. The delivery of the response is direct between the viewer and the advertiser. Normally commercials do not solicit a direct response from the viewer, but instead try to brand their product in the market place.

--Criteria particular to that form, no?
--"art" is designed to solicit a response, why is advertising not an art form? (Maybe just one you hate.)

http://www.google.com/search?q=genre+%2B+infomercial&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

--Criteria particular to that form, no?

well this sentence: Infomercials are often made to closely resemble actual television programming would seem to indicate that there are no formal criteria particular to infomercials.

well vahid I guess you disqualified "parody" as a genre too.

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But basically I think that advertising's narrowness of function, to convince people to buy products, precludes it from being an artform. Art has to do with the primacy of communicating emotions, ideas, and narratives for their own sake - in advertising these are all made subservient to advertising's sole reason for existence (to sell crap), they are robbed of any intrinsic value. (in other words, what vahid said)

start another thread if you really want to argue about this (I'll have to wait til tomorrow tho)

there's not really much difference between what is art and what is advertising except context. you can chop a 2 hr movie into a 30 second montage, show it before another movie - and voila - the substance of "art" is transformed into "advertising"

this is not (?)

xp vahid is that supposed to mean then that major label releases with lots of promotion are not art? in that case from what context/perspective are ILMers critiquing pop music?

the first rembrandt piece was commissioned by the officers in that painting to hang in their fraternal hall. it was commissioned to commemorate their achievements, and to raise the profile of the group and its members. it is "advertising", designed and executed "purely to sell" (in that it functioned just like a campaign advertisement for a politican or political party).

show it to just about any contemporary viewer and it registers as art ... how and why? will the same be true of commercials for Brawny Toilet Paper, in the future, when there is no toilet paper to buy at stores any more?

xpost i am not concerned with critiquing pop music. i'm more concerned with critiquing lame buzzcock fans easy categories / lazy thinkings (cause it's easier than thinking about pop music!)

I would think parody, satire and infomercials are genres even if they are just subsets (of comedy or advertising). People are referring to them as "genres" if you google the terms- is there a better category term for them?