George Harrison writes song with Paul McCartney from beyond the grave

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Sir Paul McCartney has suggested late Beatles bandmate George Harrison helped him write a song for his latest album from beyond the grave.

Sir Paul said he wrote Waiting For Your Friends To Go with help from Harrison, who died in 2001.

"I just got this feeling, this is George," he told Tom Robinson on BBC digital station 6 Music. "I was like George - writing one of his songs."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4717407.stm

Honest Abe, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

i read that as "please buy my new album. i promise it's more like the beatles".

Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

and, is it just me or does he look like dracula in this pic?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40072000/jpg/_40072734_paul203.jpg

Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE SONG

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

He looks more like Anthony Hopkins in that pic.

Meanwhile, Jason Mraz looks like a young McCartney in his new vid.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Not Dracula, but the Munster dude.

Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Is it George-Harrison-from-beyond-the-grave, or Paul's-conscious-remembering-how-shitty-he-was-to-George?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

More Jimmy Cagney than Anthony Hopkins, I'd say.

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Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Not only that, but Paul McCartney appears in Jake Shears' dream to inspire a song... From beyond the, eh, whatever!

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Fucking Scissor Sisters. What a bunch of ambulance chasing prats. Can you imagine the Pistols writing a song about Paul bloody McCartney?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

Yes. But they didn't.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

he's pretty creepy on that pic... and that's one silly statement... come on, Paul...

AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

he never said a single nice thing about george's contributions to the fabs, and certainly not about his solo stuff while he was still alive. what a swizz this is! who on earth would buy this story? gahhhhh! wish he'd just keep it butoned sometimes. most times these days.

time to watch the LET IT BE film again to get the real story, and where's THAT dvd release when it's at home?

piscesboy, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

I'd actually recommend that book where they go through all the Let It Be tapes and describe every minute of every day as the *real* story, i.e., PAUL was the one w/ a positive attitude, interested in and inspired to actually do some work, etc.

"he never said a single nice thing about george's contributions to the fabs, and certainly not about his solo stuff while he was still alive"

Totally false. (And haha, did George ever say anything nice about Paul's solo stuff?)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

not many nice things you can say about paul's solo stuff

Michael Burble, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Depends on your perspective. Seems like a lot of people don't like George's solo stuff either.

And what in the world is wrong w/ how he looks in that picture? Dude is 63.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Bring it on, hataz!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

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Frogm@n Henry, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

I think I enjoy George's post-Beatles work more than Paul's though they both have their moments. Let's take a tally...

George:
"All Things Must Pass" - probably the best triple album ever made.
"Living in the Material World" - a bunch of great songs, including the gorgeous, Spector-esque "Don't Make Me Wait Too Long".
the song "Cheer Down"
putting out Ravi Shankar albums
bankrolling "Life of Brian", "Time Bandits", among others. (his song for the closing "Time Bandits" credits is great)

Paul:
"McCartney"
"Ram"
"Band on the Run"

George wins.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Tim I get the feeling that if it turned out that Paul was, like, roasting and eating schoolchildren in his backyard, you'd find a way to spin it so it was further testimony to his melodic genius

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that what "Mary Had A Little Lamb" is about?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Banana Nutrament, you are being very silly. He doesn't strike me as a "total bastard," a "complet twat," etc. Sorry if this disturbs people's worldview.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I prefer to think of him "totally apeshit bonkers," but we knew that as far back as Press To Play, didn't we, Tim?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm not a kneejerk McCartney-hater, but surely he's got enough sense to realise this was a ghoulish, cheap thing to say?

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

it does bum me out that the highest-profile surviving Beatle is Paul. Any of the other three would've been a preferable alternative.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Why? I'm sure he really believes there was something to it. Are you convinced of the fact that George had no spiritual presence when Paul was writing the song?

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

I have more of a problem with Paul's syntax, which -- if you read the story again -- crumbled like three-week old cake.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

It's about a level of self-awareness, Tim. I'm not even suggesting that McCartney didn't genuinely feel this way when he wrote the song. Sometimes tho, you have to think "should I say out loud what I'm thinking?" A moment's self-reflection should've made him question whether a statement like that would come out as the worst kind of faux-sentimental product plugging. I'm not questioning his integrity, just his judgement.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I just don't see any good reason why people WOULD interpret it that way. It requires you to think that he is a bit of a sleazy, calculated liar, basically.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

putting something like that in a press release looks exploitative. sorry.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Speaking for somebody who can't speak for themselves is exploitative, however you justify it.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Oh for fuck sake. He wasn't *speaking for George*. He was telling an interviewer that he thought he felt George's presence when he wrote the song. I guess he should have REMAINED MUM ABOUT IT.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

yes, he should have. but Paul obviously feels a very desperate need to remain in the public eye, and this is just one in a very long string of recent, rather depressing attempts to do so.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he shouldn't ever put out albums or produce any artwork and he shouldn't ever do interviews and he shouldn't ever say anything to anyone, really.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

He's so obviously "desperate" - that's the only reason he put out the album and contrived that exploitative story about George.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

hey, don't paint me with yr hysterically broad brush there. I'm not talking about Paul just going about the normal routine being a musician - I'm talking about him writing obnoxious "topical" post-9/11 songs, posing for American tabloids, playing a shit "safe" set at the SuperBowl, re-releasing Beatles' albums that have been re-mixed to suit his tastes, or insisting that his name appear first on all the Beatles compositions, etc. In case you haven't noticed, Paul's PR machine has been overdrive ever since Linda died and he got the new wife. Before then, he was not appearing in the pages of US Magazine, for example.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

for fuck's sake, this is a guy who put out a news story that his new wife had made him stop smoking pot.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

"writing obnoxious "topical" post-9/11 songs"

Songs? As in plural? I think there was one. Made sense to me at the time. Message has become totally muddled w/ the U.S./U.K. "war on terror." Oh well. (I don't really want to get into a political debate about it.)

"playing a shit "safe" set at the SuperBowl"

Whatever. What was it, four songs? Yeah, what a dick.

"re-releasing Beatles' albums that have been re-mixed to suit his tastes"

You dream this or something? Because it hasn't happened. The only remixing of Beatles songs was for the Yellow Submarine Songtrack. Paul was not involved w/ the mixing - Paul, George, and Ringo all OK-ed the mixes when they were done. Was he involved w/ the mixing of Let It Be ... Naked? I didn't think he was. In any case, it's a new Let It Be album and not a remix of the old album. You wanna make the case that it's about "Paul doing it to suit his tastes," that's a whole argument. Don't know the extent to which he was involved and I also recall Ringo saying that he really liked it when it came out.

"insisting that his name appear first on all the Beatles compositions"

Uh, I don't think so. From what I understand, there was one instance where he asked for this - something to do w/ "Yesterday." Apparently, Yoko said no or something.

"this is a guy who put out a news story that his new wife had made him stop smoking pot"

Did he "put out" this news story like he "put out" this story about this new song? Or did he merely mention it to someone and someone decided to write a story about it?


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I should never have said, "Bring it on, hataz?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Ghostly inspiration notwithstanding, this turned out to be a pretty good little song, btw.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

and it does sound like a George song!

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Anybody see Paul's Fidelity ad yet? Nope, not desperate for attention at all, just shilling for an investment company!

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

There was a thread about it. Glad to have it confirmed by you that he is, in fact, "desperate."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

nearly as desperate as that Rolling Stone review of the new album

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

Gosh, I really never want to see another OMG UNASSAILABLE ARTIST DOES TV AD OMG OMG DOES THIS MEAN HE SUCKS NOW post. Or a thread. Or a Times featurette. Or a Salon.com think piece. Etc.

Ads are essentially music videos in an era when most artists - including living legends - don't have a shot at getting on the air with an actual music video. They can be strategically deployed to raise one's profile and timed to a new album's release. It's no more questionable than doing a photo spread for a glossy mag, or plying a dozen section editors with Belvedere at a "listening party."

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

don't have a shot at getting on the air

...And sorry for the horrid sentence structure.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

otm.

Matos being cryptic. What's desperate about that review?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Tim, I missed that thread. No need to be rude.

Michael, good point, but I feel like it's more ridiculous that the ad is for a huge investment firm. Particularly when Sir Paul clearly doesn't need the money.

I imagine that's been covered on the other thread, though, so apologies in advance.

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

It's not my intention to be rude, Marc, but people throw around accusations like "so obviously desperate" very casually. And I don't understand what it's based on.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Can't you tell, Tim? DeCurtis is desperately trying out his Bangs impersonation here.

Paul McCartney

Chaos & Creation In The Backyard

****

The premise of Paul Mccartney working with Nigel Godrich was clear from the start. McCartney wanted a producer who appreciated his storied past but at the same time believed that, at sixty-three, he has a vital future. For his part, Godrich -- who is best-known for his work with Radiohead and Beck -- had expressed interest in collaborating with an established artist whose reputation extended further back than the Nineties. A win-win, right?
Right. Chaos and Creation in the Backyard is the freshest-sounding McCartney album in years. It is as spare, in its way, as Driving Rain (2001), his most recent studio effort, but it's more daring, more assured and more surprising. For starters, Driving Rain was a band album, while this is a genuine solo album in that McCartney plays nearly all the instruments on it -- four of the album's thirteen tracks credit no other musicians. It's an approach that recalls McCartney, the homemade 1970 release that launched the singer's post-Beatles career. And as on that record, the tingling sense of a new beginning is palpable.

Though it's clearly the product of a true partnership between the artist and his producer, Chaos is instantly recognizable as a McCartney album. For one thing, that voice is front and center, as wistful and full of yearning as ever, effortlessly lending these songs a rich sense of emotional conviction. And that grounding frees Godrich to roughen up McCartney's innate melodic smoothness. "Jenny Wren" is an acoustic ballad in the manner of "Mother Nature's Son." But a solo on duduk -- a haunting, hollow-sounding Armenian woodwind -- transports the song into an unsettled, dreamlike realm and darkens its mood. Similarly, the string arrangements that permeate the album rigorously avoid the romantic lushness typical of McCartney in the past. Instead, they slither in and out of the mix, providing eerie atmospherics to songs like "Riding to Vanity Fair." Instruments such as melodica, harmonium, harpsichord and spinet introduce distinctly non-rock elements into McCartney's sound and contribute to an overall feel of delicate, stately surrealism.

All of the above means, alas, that, with a couple of exceptions, Chaos doesn't rock -- its most significant drawback. (When McCartney tears off a guitar solo on "Promise to You Girl," the effect is jolting.) But without feeling showy, Chaos seduces the listener into a playful world of musical ideas that shimmer and disappear. The sound bears a complex relationship to the album's theme, an autumnal assessment of the things that fade and the things that last. What fades are the enervating distractions of daily life, every ego-charged detail that seems critical at the moment but that causes us to lose "sight of life day by day."

And, for McCartney, of course, what lasts is love -- the engine of the creation mentioned in the title, the ultimate weapon against chaos. This is not the silly love of "Silly Love Songs." It's the challenge of one of his most famous lyrics: "And in the end, the love you take/Is equal to the love you make." It's a call to a better self, in other words, and a promise that, as he sings in "Anyway," this album's closing track, "If a love is strong enough, it may never end."

ANTHONY DECURTIS
(Posted Sep 22, 2005)

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

No, I didn't notice that, Matthew. What Lester Bangs pieces is that like?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

If you simply mean that it's Bangs-like in the sense that it's a well-written review, than yeah, I agree.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

desperate as in "no really! it's the real comeback we said the last 72 albums were but this time it's real! real, I tells ya, real!"

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I mean it's amazing how every damn album these guys put out gets four stars, which is followed by another four-star review saying how the last album was, we can admit it now, pretty weak. ad goddamn infinitum.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but Flaming Pie did seem like an advancement. And Driving Rain did seem like an advancement on that. And from what I'm hearing of the new album (just got it yesterday), it does seem like an advancement on Driving Rain.

And he doesn't say anything about Driving Rain being pretty weak.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

And as far as the star system goes, what, you would have given Flaming Pie three and a half or three instead or four? Driving Rain three and a half instead of four? We might be splitting hairs a little here.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

And hey, at least Rolling Stone will still run a review that long (not that it's all that long). Is it the lead review?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Tim, not very Bangs-like at all.

Actually, Matos, I think that review's kind of remarkable for the simple reason that it's very straightforward. I like the conceit that "This is something that should work on paper -- and it does." In that sense, it kind of captures the craftsman in Paul.

So, desperate? I don't think so.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

you might be right, crossreferencing it on the same page as the Stones review is probably what got me there (though the Macca review is pretty humdrum as writing y'ask me)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm still skeptical as all fuck as to its qualities, though I will have to hear it to be sure.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

"not very Bangs-like at all."

Ha, OK I missed the joke. I thought you were comparing it to something like the Astral Weeks piece from Stranded!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Sorry -- a poor stab at emoticon-less sarcasm on my part.

though the Macca review is pretty humdrum as writing y'ask me

A) Sometimes, though, a good review really does just tell you about the record. Must everything be a Greil Marcus college thesis?

B) It's Rolling Stone for God's sake -- be thankful Rob Sheffield or Joe Levy weren't assigned to this.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Marc - I agree, the "investment bank" part is what's puzzling; couldn't he have done a bra ad like Dylan? That said...

Particularly when Sir Paul clearly doesn't need the money.

This clause comes up a lot in relation to McCartney. I myself wonder that sometimes (especially when he mints mediocre live albums out of his tour recordings), but then I kind of slap myself for doing this. Who the hell are we to decide who needs the money and who doesn't? Is there an income cap after which the artist is morally obligated to YSI us all his new music for free? (Granted, Boris Grebenshikov - Russia's rough equivalent to McCartney - puts good-quality rips of his albums on his official site the day the album comes out, but it's Russia we're talking about, so he makes whatever money he does from concerts anyway). I don't think one should make any assumptions about McCartney's greed before perusing his tax declarations and tallying up his charity work. And who on earth would actually want to do that?!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

A) Sometimes, though, a good review really does just tell you about the record. Must everything be a Greil Marcus college thesis?

no, but it can certainly be better than "A win-win, right? Right."

B) It's Rolling Stone for God's sake -- be thankful Rob Sheffield or Joe Levy weren't assigned to this.

I wish Sheffield had written it!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

to get back (hum) to the song of this thread, it is indeed very good and i actually hear georges' voice in the backing vocals ("i spend a lot of time on my own") !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Lest we forget, DeCurtis loved Press to Play too, which is to say: Every Album Is His Best since Scary Monsters/Some Girls/Abbey Road/Astral Weeks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

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, Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

not to be a dick, but how can these conversations go on for so goddamn long without someone putting up the fucking YSI?!

Jeremy Fuck, Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Not to be a dick, but I don't have the music for you to steal while I'm here at work.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Sir Paul McCartney believes John Lennon haunted the recording of the 1995 Beatles single 'Free As A Bird' - in the form of a white peacock. .

The rock legend, Ringo Starr and George Harrison posed for a photograph outside the studio where the track was recorded - when the bird wandered in shot at the last minute from a neighbouring farm. .

The singer said: "That's John. Spooky, eh? It was like John was hanging around. We felt that all through the recording".

Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Not to be a dick, but I don't have the music for you to steal while I'm here at work.

Please put it up for me to steal when you get home. kthxbye

Jeremy Fuck, Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

The characterization of a "stately surrealism" in the DeCurtis review was nice and pretty on the money.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 22 September 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)


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