"O My Soul" question

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Am I hearing right--that is indeed a mellotron on the Big Star tune "O My Soul" (at the very beginning), isn't it? Can anyone confirm this? Has that granular, mentholated sound to it...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 12 August 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

The Planet Mellotron site agrees with you:
"By Radio City, Bell had left, producing demos that would appear as I am the Cosmos long after his death in a car crash in 1978. Big Star seemed to function just as well as a trio, at least in the studio, as live dates were apparently a disaster. The songwriting is still fabulous, with songs like Way Out West and You Get What You Deserve equalling those of their influences. Hummel's (if Hummel it is) Mellotron is only obviously heard on one track; opener O My Soul has some stabbed string chords, with some slurred pitchbend work at the end, and despite a couple of other 'possibles', it's the only definite 'Tron track here."

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Friday, 12 August 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

Since you sound kind of surprised, it's worth noting here that Third/Sister Lovers has quite a bit of the 'tron on it. "Kangaroo", for instance...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 August 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Jim Dickinson if I had to put my money on it.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 12 August 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

OK, now that we've settled that ----- Is that really Mellotron on "Have You Ever Seen Me" by the Small Faces?? On that last verse? Kind of quiet, fades in underneath the vocal? I totally think it is. It totally sounds like it. It doesn't sound like a regular string section at all. But that would be, what, '67? '68 at the latest? Maybe it was just a *poorly-recorded* string section. When were the first Mellotron recordings?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 12 August 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

hey, thanks y'all. I'm finishing up my opus on the new Big Star album/new Big Star bio for publication in about two weeks, and in the bio the author referred to the opening of "O My Soul" as containing "organ." Sounds to me like "O My" does use organ later on, under the guitar solo and so forth. (Boy, that is sure one incredible piece of recording, too, isn't it? That guitar sound...) I think "Daisy Glaze" has the 'tron on it, too.

I dunno about Dickinson on mellotron on "Radio City," tho...I'd bet it was Chilton or Terry Manning or Hummel or someone.

Don't have the Small Faces song to reference, Stormy. But I'd say "Sgt. Pepper's" maybe has the first mellotron? I know the Zombies used it on "Odessey." And both of them are '67.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Another mystery: Why is "O My Soul" in mono when the rest of the album is stereo? Tape damage or something similar? Or just perversity?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

The labyrinthine arrangement and structure of this song never fails to astound me.

Great guitar playing from Chilton too. The second greatest clean Stratocaster tone in history, in my opinion. Next to Hendrix on Wait Until Tomorrow/Little Wing. Thank god for the second and fourth position on the selector switch!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I always figured that it was a mellotron in the Small Faces' tune. The said part always stood out to me as it's not featured in the original Decca version of the song. The Kinks also have an instrumental tune, "Little Women", which features an early use of the mellotron. It shows up on the re-issue of Face to Face; the liner notes don't give a specific date, though, just 1966/67.

D. Bachyrycz, Friday, 12 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

But I'd say "Sgt. Pepper's" maybe has the first mellotron?

if i'm not mistaken, the beatles first used it on "strawberry fields forever," released a few months before sgt. pepper.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 12 August 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

The labyrinthine arrangement and structure of this song never fails to astound me.


yeah, it's basically ripped off from James Brown in some ways. that first part is I-IV-V, he goes up from A6 chromatically to C-sharp6, to D, back down, and then does that little lick on the E chord. the middle part is just A to D. and then that augmented lick into "never you mind" which I think is E minor/A, and then the solo bit is in E. the ending is the same ending as Brown's "I'll Go Crazy." Such rich-sounding guitar playing, such simple yet slightly skewed ideas. they apparently just thought it'd sound better in mono (I forget if the edited 45 is in stereo?).

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 13 August 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

hey edd, now that I am listening (and I am right now) .. if that is a Tron on "Daisy Glaze", it's definitely being doubled by an organ. Which makes it tough to discern what's goin ahn..

Yeah, The labyrinthine arrangement and structure of this song never fails to astound me indeed. I still think they were totally listening to HOuses of the Holy when they cooked this one up. No, everything doesn't come back to Zep for me, but come on! YOu know they were listening. Listen to Jody's drumming on this cut for crying out loud. "O My Soul" is totally their "Song Remains the Same". Hummel's bass is awesome too. I love how Chilton's all "drink all night. hey" -- that tossed-off "hey" is so funny, so disaffected; then, the "YOU'RE REALLY A NICE GIRL!"

oh man, and yeah, that Strat sound. God bless the strat. People who run it down are just dorks and non-listeners who hate SRV becuz he offends their indie know-nothingness. But check out Robbie Blunt on those first two Robert Plant solo albums. Right up there. If you like the "Radio City" sound, you gotta here Blunt on those records. I wouldn't kid you. But yeah, Jimi on Axis... phew, probably why Axis is my fave Jimi alb...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 13 August 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

Mmm, yes. I've been playing a bandmate's strat a bit as my jagmaster was needing repairs and I've come to really like it. It's just a cheap squier so I can't get the same richness of tone that Jimi or Chilton gets, but it is great for those Big Star tunes, especially when you run it through a little phase. It doesn't work on everything, but used well it's a beaut. And it's far and away the easiest, most comfortable guitar to play.
Other strat-tastic records - Beefheart's Clear Spot, any Funkadelic, My Friend Jack by The Smoke (chugging rhythm guitar certainly sounds like a strat).

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 13 August 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

People, ANY mellotron queries go to that Planet Mellotron site to find out the truth. It's run by my brother! He even owns a mellotron! They weigh a fucking ton y'know, and I've helped him move it enough times so I should know.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Saturday, 13 August 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Although I agree it's a great tone for the album, I find the strat sound to be a little thin and nasally (for my tastes obv.)

But back to StormyD's LZ comparison, does anybody else hear "You Get What You Deserve"'s Stairway/Watchtower-ness?

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 13 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I hear the Zep thing, kinda, on "Get What You Deserve." Zep as played by Travis Wammack or Steve Cropper, I guess.

I've been listening to those Big Star records a lot lately--really listening to them for the first time in a while. I hear the Hendrix thing a la "Axis" (which is my favorite Hendrix album), too. But I can't think of any other record that sounds quite like "Radio City."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
It's crazy how Chilton does SO MUCH here with just 3 chords:

* the funk-type thing in the beginning
* the "really a nice girl" riff
* the "trying to see you" riff (this one is really killer, playing the thirds up and down)

Not to mention the licks in the solo, etc. Dude is underrated as a player!

Lynco (lync0), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I was just listening to this the other day and it struck me what a great song it is too, i have to agree. As though it's reggae and funk and rock, a "what groove with this girl ?" vibe i suppose.

I really like the way it isn't distinct, always breaking down, starting and stopping. They're so good at invoking the confusion involved in choosing what feeling is the right feeling. All sorts of spooky places other bands don't go with Big Star.

Ok the rest of the songs on this record are some of my favourites ever, but this song, the opener, it's so different to anything else.
It's also the last song on the album i came around to liking, long after i'd grown sick of the catchier stuff like "Get What You Deserve" and "September Girls".
I still go "huh ?" and ha (and "hey !")

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)


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