Did anyone see Smog in NYC/Philly/other recent dates?

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Saw them at North Star last night. Actually, this was the first Smog show I've seen, and I was surprised that he's such a great performer. Deadpan delivery but with lots of great facial tics, funny leg movements, overall high intensity. His voice really cuts through live, even more than on the recordings.

Openers weren't much to speak of -- Feathers was actually really fucking awful to the point that it made me angry that they got to open for anyone anywhere. What a bunch of hippie burnout wankers. 20 different instruments on stage and not one being played competently. We can't write songs, but at least we can make things difficult for the soundman. I can't find any info on this band, btw -- apparently there's a post-rock trio out of Chicago called Feathers, but this doesn't seem to be the same band.

Callahan's band was good though -- Jim White on drums, which is always a treat except for the occasional moments where he does too much of his Jim White thing and I wish he'd just play a good, solid beat. Bass player and guitarist I didn't know -- competent enough and stepped out of the way where needed, which is needed quite often when you have Callahan and White sharing a stage.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

He reminded me in some ways (probably deliberate, on his part) of an updated Sun Records rockabilly guy -- super-straight posture, old jeans, guitar up by his chest, movement mostly in the legs, and also his voice has a bit of Johnny Cash in it.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Jim White was so on form at the Edinburgh gig that I thought my head would explode.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

i saw them in Glasgow about a month ago and it was pretty awful through no fault of Bill's or the band. the venue was late to open - a record store/bar that's not usually a venue for gigs. The setup was technically awful with the band having to set up their own equipment on a tiny stage - i know this is pretty common but ate into the already tight time scale we had left due to the late opening venue. There were 2 support bands that played for ages: My Latest Novel, some horrible indie belle and sebastian type crap and a duo called Currituck Co, who were pretty good (they did a 15 minute Fahey-esque cover of and R. Kelly track!).

the show was dogged with technical difficulties and the people who were overseeing the gig had no idea how to set them right.

1) the venue was dark and Bill complained that he couldn't see his guitar and asked if he could have some more light - their solution was to switch on a fluorescent strip light over his head :|

2) his micrphone wasn't working properly and bill asked one of light/sound guy if he knew how to stop ot swaying from side to side but no one knew how to do that.

3/ the sound was horrible but the sound engineer had no idea how to sort that out either! on 2 seperate occasions Jim White got up from his drumkit and walked across the venue through the crowd to fiddle with the mixing board himself.

Bill was in a foul mood as a result of all this and the gig felt really flat. because of all of these factors they played for a relatively short period of time only to have all the lights in the venue go on during the first song of the encore (closing time/licensing issues) at which point bill asked "i take it that means the gig's over?" he finished the song and they dispersed off the stage while everyone got rushed out.

apart from all this they actually sounded pretty good! Bill is a surprisingly engaging and slightly loopy performer. it was the 4th time i have seen him so i didn't mind as much as most of the audience did. Bill and Jim White were definitely furious though.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Jim White has gotten rather plump and has a thick moustache. He no longer looks like an indie dude at all - in fact he now looks a lot like my drum teacher, who was a school band director, player of wedding gigs, and former Israel Philharmonic percussionist.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

The best i've ever seen him play was with Nina Nastasia.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Jim White i mean.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

I (ahem) got to open up for Nina Nastasia when he played with her in Philly.

He was really great that night -- I think Nina's music is probably the best vehicle for him other than the Dirty Three.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Openers weren't much to speak of -- Feathers was actually really fucking awful to the point that it made me angry that they got to open for anyone anywhere. What a bunch of hippie burnout wankers. 20 different instruments on stage and not one being played competently.

Listen harder!

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

i quite enjoyed myself at the show, even though i hadn't heard the last six Smog (or (Smog)) records or so and wanted to cut my wrists at his Drag City Xmas show last winter. i dutifully blabbed about it:
http://imbidimts.blogspot.com/

b8a, Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Listen harder!

-- Ian John50n (dr.carl.saga...), August 14th, 2005.

Do you have a link to any of there stuff? I'd give it another chance. The sound man did kind of a bad job and it was hard to hear some of the instruments.


I was supposed to go to that Drag City show. Had to go home at the last minute and then found out I could give the four tickets I had bought to someone else because I had to show up in person to pick them up. Fucking Ticket Web.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

ah good stuff Hurting - what's your band called? there's definately alot of space and silence in Nina's music and that's good for him. it's incredible how little noise he can make and yet really make a huge impact. he'll do something like use only a brush on the cymbal very gently for a whole track.


xposts

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

I can gmail ya some stuff if you've got a gmail account, hurt-o.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

With NN was the first time I saw him live, I think. I didn't know who he was. I just thought "who the hell is that crow behind the drums? the one who plays like i feel?", or something, and when I found out it was He Of The Dirty Three it was like "Ohhhhh, why aren't Dirty Three that good?"

Seeing him again, with Callahan, it was like "holy shit yeah now i remember why he's my favourite drummer in the world", and it even inspired me to make this image to send to my friend, titled "best drummer in the world" (sorry for the size):

http://homepage.mac.com/said_the/drummer.jpg

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Haha. "Bared his feet" should be "bared his teeth".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

sean, thats a lovely thing :)

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I can gmail ya some stuff if you've got a gmail account, hurt-o.

-- Ian John50n (dr.carl.saga...), August 14th, 2005.

I don't, but I think yahoo accepts pretty big files now too. I know I can at least get a track at a time.

You can send it to my login account. Thx.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

Sean, do you know who his guitarist is now? The guy looks kind of like Bill Gates if Bill Gates never founded Microsoft and just became a slacker programmer.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Also, why do you call cute girls "guitarists," since the cutest girls in bands (including Colleen) are almost always bassists?

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Colleen was the bassist that night, too. (As I note in the pic.) And the Bill Gates fellow was there, but didn't fit in the frame.

Hurting - I think of an electric bass as an electric guitar with a longer neck. So it works either way.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 14 August 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

i didn't catch the show here but he did come to my night afterwards!! and danced!! so i "saw" him

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 14 August 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Where is your night?

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 14 August 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

This is the first 'indie' show in years that i am truly bummed out to have missed. I like both of these bands a lot, and Hurting, brother, you couldn't be more wrong about Feathers, but it sounds like they wee having a bad night. I've never seen them live, but their recordings are really quite magnificent.

Speaking of which, is anyone sharing their tour EP? I really need a copy of that...

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 15 August 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

i should have it on slsk, rog.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

(note that this is the old tour EP, the three-songer; i don't have anything new.)

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah that's teh one i need, the new one. it's called Tour Paint I think. thanks anyway tho pal

will we see you in NYC? we're doing like 4 shows.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

montreal, hurting

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 15 August 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

i couldnt make it to the north star show because plain parade had a gig across town, but i saw smog many years ago at upstairs at nicks and it was fantastic. alan licht & charles ganza [of guv'ner] were in his backing band.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 15 August 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Roger, Ian sent me a track. It starts with a pointless three-minute one chord drone with some so-so guitar noodling. Once the song kicks in it's not that bad, and I kind of like the singing, but the band doesn't even stay in rhythm. Seems like there's a couple of competent people holding together a veritable commune of complete hacks.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 August 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

"Seems like there's a couple of competent people holding together a veritable commune of complete hacks."

A lot of my favorite bands can be described this way!

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Monday, 15 August 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

bill's guitarist on this tour is jason dezember. great dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 15 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Feathers were weird at the Chicago show, mainly because they were really really quiet. I don't know if the sound was messed up or if they just requested little amplification, but I could barely hear them over the crowd noise/conversation.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Actually I doubt the sound was messed up, as Empty Bottle usually has great sound. Only thing I can think of is maybe they didn't show up in time for sound check and since they have like 900 different instruments it was too much for the sound guy to handle without a sound check. What I could hear sounded OK, some nice harmonies.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 15 August 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

They reminded me of a bunch of camp counselors.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 August 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Blast, just saw this thread now... Sorry to add to it so late. We saw Smog on the 9th in Montreal and it was great. Have to say I wasn't terribly overawed by Feathers either - some good moments, but I was mostly meh about them. I'll give them another try, though, if they're being recommended up above.

I loved the venue -- La Sala Rossa; a red room (natch) with lovely atmosphere, great sound, a red curtain in front of the stage, and chandeliers.

Feathers didn't bother with the curtain but Bill did; it creaked closed just before Smog's set then creaked open again and the band came out -- Bill, Colleen, and Jason Dezember. I was very disappointed that there was no Jim White to be seen, although the drum kit was all set up; I kept thinking that he would make a grand entrance any moment, but he never did. So the first half, approx, of the set was drum-less, and mostly off "A River..." (we didn't get "The Well" either, but I loved "Let Me See the Colts", which is haunting me at the mo). They kicked right off with "Say Valley Maker" and I wanted to scream and gnash my teeth and say "No! No! You can't do this without percussion -- we need that gorgeous rollicking bit that Jim does after '...came galloping back'!" but to my relief it was lovely, even with just two guitars and a bass.

Then they walked off the stage after an hour and we were all wtf? but they came back out again forthwith andJason put down his guitar and got on the drums. I shall just say delicately that he is a better guitarist than a drummer, but he did not do a shabby job. They were tighter last time I saw them, in 2001, though. We cornered Colleen when she went to the loo post-gig and she told us Jim couldn't get a visa to play in Canada (grr), so I guess they were without him in Toronto too.

At some point Bill asked the lighting guy to turn off the stage lights and put on the chandeliers -- he liked the chandeliers and commented on them a lot. So there we all stood, exposed to Bill's gimlet eye, but we all felt the love. He was in a good mood. At one point he was kind of running his hand through his hair over and over, waiting for Jason to get organized, then he suddenly realized what he was doing and gave us this little smile and said "I have such a fine head of hair, don't I?" We smirked. "You can all line up and feel it later," he said, but he didn't deliver on that. Ratbag.

Surfer_Stone_Rosalita (Surfer_Stone_Rosalita), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

PS -- Sean, I love that pic!

Surfer_Stone_Rosalita (Surfer_Stone_Rosalita), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

He seems sensitive about lights. He had them mess around with the lights at Empty Bottle too, taking out color filters and stuff.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

he's totally a vampire.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I saw him play here in glasgow at the grand ole opry and at atpUK03 and I thought both times that he was one of the best live performers I have ever seen.

at the glasgow show there was an interlude between the support bands and smog where two old glaswegian staff / regulars of the grand ole opry had a gunfight on the dancefloor. smog was touring with a v. v. good violinist at that time. I seem to remember someone also did a somersault straight onto his back while "dancing" on the dancefloor.

at atp it was just bill alone on stage with a small amp. he did a lot marching on the spot and rocking his neck from side to side. he is so great.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

White and Nastasia are da bomb. He does more interesting stuff with her than with others, even the Dirty Three, imho. Prob because NN has more interesting songs musically than a lot of people JW plays with. But yeah, Bill has the best moves, to be sure. He has a great delivery.

grenade, Monday, 22 August 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Nastasia's songs also leave him a lot of space, which is nice. Smog is sometimes kind of driving, and driving isn't really White's specialty.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I talked to White a bit after the Nastasia show that we played. I was outside the North Star, right by where the stage is, and he suddenly kind of flew/jumped out the door and then said he thought I was using some weird drumming technique that might be holding me back on a couple of songs. He was right, and I have since improved my technique. He was a nice guy, but a little strange. I also asked him if he was influenced by jazz, and surprisingly, he said no.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

smog graced the stage at club congress here in tucson last nite - i had the humbling experience of opening for them and the heavenly states - jim white was captivating and yes, kinda hairy and all around bushy looking, but absolutely enthralling (i'm a huge dirty three fan being a violin player meself) - and bill is also something to behold as a performer with his oft squinty eyed look and squished grimaces, but the repetition was what killed me. hypnotic. i could easily play the same note for 20 minutes but wonder who would be into it? guess folks like me.

vicbrown, Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

when i saw him at the 400 bar in minneapolis in august i was curious whether his facial contortions had anything to do with pitch control. i got the impression that he was taking great care to not let his habitual or natural intonations send him off pitch. i appreciated the effort.

jim white was fantastic.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)


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