C/D: Peter Gabriel's "Up"

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Inspired by the Steam/Sledgehammer thread. Don't think this has been officially threaded yet. To me, Up is the musical version of the movie A.I. (which was in theatres around the same time the album was released). It's a great work within a mediocre one. "I Grieve" is one of the best things PG has written, and there are brilliant bits throughout the album. But it doesn't quite hold together for me. And there's simply no excusing The Barry Williams Show.

electric derby, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Dud. The pace! The tempos! We need raunch, vulgarity!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

There is indeed no excusing "Barry Williams" (I can only imagine how long that was lying around the old home studio), but there's little else about Up that requires any excuse.

If you wanted "I Grieve," you could have already got it from the City Of Angels OST, but you'd have missed out on the suite it forms with "No Way Out." "No Way Out" remains the centerpiece for me, and benefits from some really killer bass guitar work by usual suspect Tony Levin. Not even the hook, though that's quite fine, but the fills throughout.

"More Than This" is the strongest back-half track, reprising the minor-key sonic drama of "Darkness" but channeling the tension (and the neat little funk guitar lick and the outer-space radio-interference-slash-teakettle synth sound) outward. "Signal To Noise," which features the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, is also effective. "Sky Blue" also ranks with PG's best work, both the version here and the one on Long Walk Home.

There's really no single, and while the percussion is as important as ever it's not as forward in the very very dense mix as it was on Security or So, or even Us, which takes away some immediacy but also gives the tracks room to stretch out and breathe.

I was disappointed in Us the first time I listened to it - it felt like a lot of mid-tempo noodling failing to resolve into the shape of, y'know, songs. But it really, really rewards repeated listening (and careful edits - b'bye Barry). Coming out the other side, it strikes me as, well, mature PG prog - the musicianship is at the usual insanely high level, but meticulous studiocraft trumps virtuoso pyrotechnics. There's no catharsis, no release, no \m/ moments, but there's an extraordinary density to the tracks, and a gradual release of tension that fulfills formally the album's Big Concept.

So, er, classic then.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

uh, "disappointed in UP"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

the whole album is worth it for the first track 'darkness'. still therapy-soaked, but that main scream-riff is deranged, and there's that beautiful key change when he discovers the beast.

the rest of it... well the man really has been through hell it seems and I hope he's doing okay.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

As usual, roger, your descriptive prowess is impressive. But I'm unconvinced. Your defense sounds like fetishization: in the details of a work of art immerse. We can go on and on about how well played these tracks are or PG's skills as a producer but if there's animation, no jouissance in the work in question, what's the point in liking it?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

The album's nearest ancester is Lennon's Plastic Ono Band but, goddamn, what a difference. That album is "therapy-soaked" to a T, and no one would accuse that album of lacking three-minute songs with hooks and melodies.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

There is indeed no excusing "Barry Williams" (I can only imagine how long that was lying around the old home studio)

Judging from the recent profile of Real World Studios in TapeOp, the answer could be...quite a long time.

Sounds like they keep a lot of old tech running in his personal studio to deal with the older material that is still in progress.

As, for "Up". Well, I have most stuff prior to it just haven't been convinced that it is worth my time to give it a listen.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

We can go on and on about how well played these tracks are or PG's skills as a producer but if there's animation, no jouissance in the work in question, what's the point in liking it?

Well, see, that's where we've always differed on this one. What gets me, er, up about Up isn't ooh ooh how cleanly recorded!, it's how the strange sounds pile up to produce music. Music that moves me. To me the whole "oh therapy" angle plays just as much as sophistry, and seems a weak excuse for not putting in the time that this one needs.

I won't quote lyrics again, but there's nothing notably therapized about "No Way Out" - it's immediate and keenly observed with the strange objectivity that takes hold in shocked states of emergency (and yes, I'm invoking O'Hara on purpose dammit!), and then it offers up the Goldfish Analogy, and breaks my heart if not yours.

In the Gabriel catalog I find the closest analog in Security, except where Security explores the prog potential of Olatunji, Doudou Ndiaye Rose, et al, Up works with texture and layer. It's got the same long tracks, dearth of catchy choruses, and discovery of small pleasures in a change of key or the construction of an unexpected new addition (compare e.g. the transcendent conclusion of "Sky Blue" with the codas of "Wallflower" (I will do what I can do...) or "San Jacinto" (we will walk... on the land...)) The pleasure's less visceral (there's certainly no "I Have The Touch" here), but no less pleasure for that.

Come to think, the crazy teakettle sound that puts "More Than This" over the top for me has a lot in common with the Fairlight/Iron Lung sound at the end of "San Jacinto"...

So yeah, the Up I have on my shelf is a cool, creepy, thanatomanic classic. All it requires is that I find as much jouissance in Peter Gabriel the prog composer/explorer as I do in Peter Gabriel the arch pop saboteur. Maybe you got a bad pressing? ::grin::

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

Rogermexico OTM.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 August 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

Eloquent overview, rogermexico. I don't get the same thrills from "More Than This" that you apparently do; its stiff sub-pop to my ears, along the lines of the plonk he released on Ovo (which I really didn't like), and the psychobabbling lyrics are especially grating — though I find profundity in the same conceit on "Darkness," so what do I know?

You're spot-on regarding the bass playing on No Way Out, though I don't think it's Tony. If I remember right, there's a guest playing those thick, delicious acoustic accents on double bass.

And you're right that it rewards repeat spins. After a couple of weeks grousing about how lame the album was, I suddenly found its pulse one evening listening to Growing Up, which is just plain wicked in its slow, dense intensity.

electric derby, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

This thread makes me want to pull it off the shelf for the first time in months (and because yesterday I enjoyed both "Security" and "Long Walk Home"). But I may have been put off of the disc by seeing the last tour opener here. It was probably as visually impressive as anything he's ever done - the giant bouncing hamster ball! - but the "Up"-heavy set was dull, dull, dull and could have used a big infusion of, whataretheycalledagainohyes, hooks.

I think Roger very OTM with prog-composer title. PG's "pop" songs are so much mood pieces these days that it makes the mundane deficiencies of drek like "The Barry Williams Show" that much more obvious.


Cool find on the internet: outtakes from "Passion!"

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else find it interesting that PG is supposedly taking another stab at "Curtains" on his upcoming album?

Wow, forgot how weird/scary "Darkness" is!!!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Cool find on the internet: outtakes from "Passion!"

Where?! I need this!

Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

I got in on Dime a Dozen, via Bit Torrent.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

If I remember right, there's a guest playing those thick, delicious acoustic accents on double bass.

You are correct, sir! The double bass is credited to Danny Thompson.

Shame on me (and I mean this) for just assuming that all tasty basswork on a Levin-credited track must be Levin's.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

could have been good if he'd brought Lanois in to give things some shape and direction.

as it is, it's dreadful, with a few lovely moments.

Kevin Erickson, Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Found the "Passion" outtakes. Very cool.

This thread still hasn't inspired me to fish out "Up" and give it another shot. Oh well.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)


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