"frat boys" as a review cliche (lazy question)

The Brit equivalent would be "Lad's Rock"

Anyway, for you furriners, the fraternity stereotype is white, male, early 20s, interested in athletics, suburban, aggressively straight, relatively well-to-do, drinks a lot. It's about as valid as any stereotype.

HEY! I resent that!!

i was semi-dragged to a dmb show in college and the audience was 85% frat boys and sorority girls.

Bob Marley

i realize that closed mindedness is an ILM mainstay but

i.e. they partied to loverboy instead of the clash or talking heads

The 2000 post thread filled with homophobia proves you WRONG!

One of the funniest things I learned in New York was that there's a special breed of east-coast Ivy-League fratboys: they're preppy slick and wealthy, in a sort of Brett Easton Ellis way, and would qualify to many as nearly hipsters (albeit in a sort of Urban Outfitters kind of way). But then they still play a lot of beer pong. It was a bit difficult for me to reconcile with my Midwestern (and/or Southern) concept of fratboys.

Taking Sides: Midwestern private-school fratboys vs Midwestern state-school fratboys vs Southern private-school fratboys vs Southern state-school fratboys. (I don't know how they rock this on the west coast, really.)

The Skull and Bones published membership lists until 1971, which were kept at the Yale Library. The following list of Bonesmen (as members are often called) is compiled from those lists.

* William Howard Taft (1878), 27th President of the United States, Chief Justice of the United States
* Gifford Pinchot (1889), first Chief of U.S. Forest Service, under President Theodore Roosevelt
* Pierre Jay (1892), first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
* Harry Payne Whitney (1894), husband of Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney, investment banker
* William Collins Whitney (1863), US Secretary of the Navy and New York City financier
* Alfred Gywenne Vanderbilt, (1898), brother of Gertude Vanderbilt Whitney
* Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser (1896), scion of the Weyerhaeuser Paper Co.
* Thomas Cochran (1904), JP Morgan partner
* Harold Stanley (1908), founder of investment house of Morgan Stanley,
* Hugh Wilson (1909)
* Robert D. French (1910)
* Simeon Eben Baldwin (1861), Governor and Chief Justice, State of Connecticut (son of Roger Sherman Baldwin)
* Edward Baldwin Whitney (1878), New York Supreme Court Justice
* Timothy Dwight V (1849), President of Yale College
* William Maxwell Evarts (1837), US Secretary, Attorney General, and Senator (grandson of Roger Sherman)
* Morris R. Waite (1837), US Supreme Court Justice
* John Sherman Cooper(1923), US Senator and member of the Warren Commission
* Alfred Cowles (1913), Cowles Communication
* John Thomas Daniels (1914), founder of Archer Daniels Midland
* Archibald MacLeish (1915), Poet and Author
* F. Trubee Davison (1918), Director of Personnel at the CIA
* Artemus Gates (1918), President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific Railroad, TIME-Life and Boeing Company
* Henry Luce (1920), Cofounder of Time-Life Enterprises
* Henry P. Davison (1920), senior partner, JP Morgan's Guaranty Trust
* Russell W. Davenport (1923), editor Fortune Magazine, created Fortune 500 list
* George Herbert Walker, Jr. (1927), financier and co-founder of the New York Mets
* John Heinz II (1931), US Senator John Heinz
* Amory Howe Bradford (1934), general manager for the New York Times
* Jonathan Brewster Bingham (1936), US Senator
* Potter Stewart (1936), US Supreme Court Justice
* Dean Witter, Jr. (1944), founder of the investment house Dean Witter & Co.
* James Buckley (1944), publisher of the National Review
* John Chafee (1947), US Senator, Secretary of the Navy and Governor of Rhode Island; father of US Senator Lincoln Chafee
* George Herbert Walker Bush (1948), 41st President of the United States
* William F. Buckley, Jr. (1950),
* Dino Pionzio (1950), CIA Deputy Chief of Station during Allende overthrow
* William Henry Draper III (1950), the Defense Department, United Nations and Import-Export Bank
* Evan G. Galbraith (1950), Ambassador to France and Managing Director of Morgan Stanley
* Robert Gow (1955), president of Zapata Oil
* Charles Edwin Lord (1949), US Comptroller of the Currency
* Winston Lord (1959), Chairman of Council on Foreign Relations, Ambassador to China and assistant US Secretary of State in the Clinton administration
* David Boren (1963), US Senator
* John Kerry (1966), US Senator and 2004 US Presidential candidate
* George W. Bush (1968), 43rd President of the United States
* Percy Rockefeller (1900), Director of Brown Brothers Harriman, Standard Oil and Remington Arms
* Averill Harriman (1913), US Ambassador and Secretary of Commerce, Governor of New York, Chairman and CEO of the Union Pacific Railroad, Brown Brothers & Harriman and the Southern Pacific Railroad

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haha xp nabisco "east-coast Ivy-League fratboys... would qualify to many as nearly hipsters... still play a lot of beer pong" lots of kids i know at school summed up very neatly

yeah, there's a whole weird incestuous upper east side/hamptons preppy-frat colony. alex in nyc can probably tell you about this, having gone to school with robert chambers.

eh, i don't really like the early pavement stuff anyway. i'm glad he's changed.

it might be hard in this day to imagine a completely homogenized world beyond weird religious cults etc., but i think that's exactly what the frats (atleast southern school frats like UVA) were going for say 15 years ago and beyond and the stereotype probably comes from that era. i suppose its not very valid today, but i assumed everyone understood what the term stood for anyway.

but i'm not denying that some fraternities still represent that, i just somewhat resent the stereotype since if we were going to start talking about 'black music' or something people would be stepping all over each other to be the first to refute that

come fucking on.

I went to a Midwestern private-school, but since it was Catholic there were no frats. But there were frat-boys. It's definitely a state of mind (and backwards hat, DMB and Jack Johnson CD collection, and beer pong acuity). Then again, these guys were my roomates and I still talk to them, so it has nothing to do with moral or spiritual underpinning. Just awful, awful taste in music.

By the way, wasn't Malkmus at UVa on a tennis scholarship or something? Or had he quit before then?

oh and the DMB/Jack Johnson thing is universal. Throw in Da G Love and ben Harper too. As far as west coast fratboys they seem to have adopted a weird hybrid personality of the quasi laidback west coast vibe with the typical confrontational drunken lout. dress it in abercrombie and fitch and skate shoes and youve got it.

Um...exactly.

-- Tracer Hand (tracerhan...), August 20th, 2005. (later)

i'll see yer bob marley, and raise you dre and snoop. (or at least it was that way at MY college.) throw in sublime and the red hot chili peppers, and we'll call it even.

once upon a time, "frat rock" was considered to be a GOOD thing you know.

haha, that's cool, but the hate is part of the fun! how do you think i started writing for 'em?

http://www.musigmachi.com/Denison_2002_2003/images/2002_1108_234006AA.jpg

AHH!! i'm driving to stillwater tonight. Them there lib'ral nyu artfags don't know shit 'bout no beer pong!.. Did you go to OSU, nitsuh?..

frat rock isn't what frat guys play at their parties-- that's just party music. real frat rock is what they listen to in their rooms, and most of the frat guys I know are either "metalheadz" that like Lamb of God, or they're nicks-and-buzzez that rock out to John Mayer (and maybe a little Maroon 5 when they need something edgy).. And, yea, Bob Marley is huge, but let's not forget about Beastie Boys or PINK FLOYD. Frat guys are totally prog.

And for whoever asked upthread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_pong

or so i've heard, unless that's an urban legend

Chuck would vigorously dispute the phrase "instead of" as representing his taste. And for that matter, by the time Loverboy hit, the Clash and Talking Heads had crossed over to regular rock-guy taste.

Fraternaties weren't allowed at my school, but I'd say that the frat types liked Grateful Dead and old Beach Boys, but when they started to assimilate punk they'd throw "Louie Louie" into the mix. And then lots of them probably liked Earth, Wind & Fire and Kool & the Gang. Of course, such generalizing is ridiculously inaccurate. It's like saying "ILX types like the Streets." Well, some of them do, for sure, but not all of them.

(And this doesn't take into account fraternities at black colleges.)

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/03/08/have-frat-boys-finally-jumped-the-pop-culture-shark/

Brian Gee, chair of the National APIA Panhellenic Association, points to the case of Theta Kappa Phi, a UCLA Asian American sorority organized by a woman named Margaret Shinohara Ohara in 1959, after she was barred from membership in other societies and stripped of her Panhellenic Scholarship. “Apparently, when Ohara came to accept her scholarship, there was complete shock from the greek community that she wasn’t Irish,” he says.

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