Riot Grrrrl and SuicideGirls

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Hey there,
I'm writing my MA on issues surrounding postfeminism etc. and have just discovered SuicideGirls.com
I was hoping someone might know if any of the original riot grrrls have commented on the site, which quite clearly wants to be associated with the image of riot grrrl? Or indeed any interesting information that might be worth noting.
Thanks,
from Mr Glinka's girlfriend: Labordette

Labordette (glinka), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Suicide Girls strike me as Riot Grrl Lite, or Riot Grrls without the righteous bile (i.e. minus everything that made the Riot Grrls interesting). They're basically just pin-ups (something that I'd imagine stands counter to everything the Riot Grrls held dear). I could very well be hugely mistaken, tough.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't see SuicideGirls aligning themselves explicitly with Riot Grrl any more than any other fucking subcultural movement of the last 25 years.

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the word "misappropriation" comes to mind.

Clay (cws), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

SG seems waaaay more goth than RG to me

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)


I'm writing my MA on issues surrounding postfeminism etc. and have just discovered SuicideGirls.com

You should have paid attention in class; I'm sure your professor or TA or whatever told you about this.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Sure. I think it has to be quite goth because if you're trying to market 'alternative porn' (I even heard it described as 'empowered erotica' - bullshit) then you need to include certain signs that suggest this alternative-ness. Most indie girls just look like regular naked girls when they remove their belle and sebastian t-shirts and cords of an evening, but Suicide Girls is very based on tattoos and piercings because they can suggest 'counter-culture' (again: bullshit) when they're naked.

Labordette (glinka), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

paid attention in class? I do film studies and was taught by a middle-aged, male German Studies professor. He's probably a member of SG.

Labordette (glinka), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Suicide Girls have the cover of Bizarre magazine, and its amazing how less intelligent and witty they are than the porn stars they normally feature.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

a buddy of mine lived with a suicide girls for a while. he said there was almost always a gaggle of SG grils hanging around the house and that none of them were hot, intelligent, funny, or liked good music. they either sat around watching tv and gossipping or ocasionally did some pilates.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

suicide girls are just regular stank hoes who think they're too politically correct to be amazons. amazons are fun though!

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I had one sending me friendster love letters once upon a time

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Since nobody asked, here's the text of an article I wrote on the Suicide Girls for an upcoming issue of Celebrity Skin.

COMMERCIAL SUICIDE

The Suicide Girls are a pretty unavoidable phenomenon in so-called “alternative” pop culture these days. The website that started it all, www.suicidegirls.com, wasn’t much more than a showcase for cheesecake photos of pierced ‘n’ tattooed Portland, Oregon-area babes for the first few months of its existence. But it soon found an audience (no surprise there), and a bunch of girls from other parts of America and the world willing to flash their flesh online started submitting images, and now it’s the centerpiece of a mini-empire of post-Goth softcore. Many of the Girls appeared in the band Probot’s “Shake Your Blood” video, dancing, eating fire, spanking each other and whatnot. Feral House published a coffee-table book collecting many of the girls’ photos, plus excerpts from their diaries (which are posted on the site). And now, there’s a Suicide Girls DVD.

The DVD, One Day You Will Be Nostalgic For Now, is being released through Epitaph Records, home to mall-friendly punk acts from the Offspring and Pennywise to Rancid and Bad Religion. It documents the Girls’ first U.S. tour, which found them shaking their tattooed asses on the stages of rock barns from coast to coast. The performance footage reveals as much compromise as carnality – the Girls always keep their thongs on, and cover their nipples with electrical-tape Xs, when performing before the hooting indie-rock masses. By contrast, the studio footage of the Girls posing down while Missy Suicide (the site’s founder) takes pictures reveals much more flesh. Some even give up the gash.

The DVD is long. Each of about a dozen featured Girls gets a vignette all to herself, and those are bracketed by the aforementioned performance footage and some sub-Jackass scenes of on-the-road Girls gone wild. There are interviews, too; the Girls get to talk about their childhoods and how empowered they feel when they take their clothes off for strangers. Some of the performances, like purple-haired Asian cutie Pearl’s hula hoop striptease routine, are genuinely unique and entertaining. Others, though, seem to think that old-style burlesque routines done by girls with lots of tattoos is something new and shocking, as though inky strippers hadn’t been a fixture of touring carnivals for decades in the “red states.” There’s a fair amount of Girl-on-Girl spanking and teasing, in addition to the solo performances. When “Reagan” leads two other schoolgirl-costumed Girls, “Stormy” and “Shera,” onstage with leashes for a nicely choreographed three-way dance routine, most viewers will find they’re getting what they paid for, and then some.

Some of the Suicide Girls are genuinely hot. “Nixon,” whose tattoos mostly feature skull motifs and whose large, luminous breasts are tipped with gleaming nipple rings, has the wide eyes and bright smile of a lobotomized cheerleader – an intriguing contrast to her sexually menacing Goth-slut look. “Tegan” has a boyish face, and brown hair with a blond streak, combed back in neo-rockabilly style; she poses in a garage, crawling naked atop a muscle car, the hood yawning open like a hungry hungry hippo’s mouth. “Reagan” looks a little white-trashy, like a cross between Chloe Webb and Juliette Lewis with a horseshoe-shaped nose ring and large, black plugs in her earlobes. She strips down in a Laundromat, losing everything but her vintage-style roller skates as bubbles blow past.

One Day You Will Be Nostalgic For Now is fun, but it raises many more questions than it answers. For example, it’s frequently hard to tell whether Missy Suicide is playing innocent for ironic reasons, or if she’s just a vacuous art-school chick who genuinely stumbled onto a gold mine. When she says of her girls, who despite their individual choices of tattoo design and piercing location certainly have a unified look, “Their uniqueness is what makes them beautiful,” it’s hard not to chuckle indulgently. And her claim that the success of the site shocked her is even funnier – after all, it’s pretty damn hard to lose money producing porn.

And make no mistake – suicidegirls.com is a soft-core porn site. The girls might not be penetrating each other with dildos the size of loaves of French bread, but their faux-lesbo smoochfests and their retro-garbed spread shots are providing spank-fodder for thousands, if not millions, of horny dudes and chicks across the globe. And this DVD, which will likely reach people who’ve never seen the website, exactly the way the coffee-table book probably did, is just the next step in the Suicide Girls’ campaign to conquer the world of post-punk masturbation. All the rhetoric about celebrating alternative body types and different visions of beauty is just self-justification; after all, the regular ol’ porn industry’s been marketing niche tapes for years. If you want to see 300-pound girls, or girls with shaved heads, getting poked in the pooper, you can. Porn stars like Belladonna and Rachel Rotten, each one slathered in elaborate ink, have been appearing on VHS and DVD box covers for years now. The Suicide Girls aren’t a revolution – they’re just one more option on the menu.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

ew epitaph

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 20 August 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

God bless 'em, but I wish they would be empowered enough to get some indie rock girls who aren't beanpoles.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 20 August 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Girls

Some of 'em arent beanpoles. More than a few of 'em got some meat on the bone, but indie stick chicks do take up the majority.

The thing started in Portland, amongst some of the crusty punker types who hang out downtown in Pioneer Square. At least, this was the explanation given to me when i moved here a year ago.

note that the phenomenon would never have taken off like it did locally had it not been for the hipster adoption(rediscovery?) of burlesque, along with the fact that Portland has the highest stripper/strip-club per capita ratio in North America.

kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 21 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

As Kathleen Hanna herself worked as a stripper, former Riot Grrls are probably fairly nonplussed by the whole thing. Among the women who actually do adult modeling for money, not to get their hip cards punched, SG is seen as a very bad deal with a ridiculously restrictive contract (not so progressive, eh?).

And I would bet money that most of the models would stare blankly at you if you asked them if they liked Bikini Kill or Bratmobile.

SusanWayward, Sunday, 21 August 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

the difference between riot grrls and suicidegirls is the difference between riot and suicide

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 21 August 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

What do you think about abbywinters.com?

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Sunday, 21 August 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

That's a good read, pdf. It's also remarkable that you were able to type the whole thing using only your left hand.

moley, Sunday, 21 August 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

a variety of responses here: http://www.angelfire.com/geek/nca/prpp.html

My personal opinion as a queer boy heavily influenced by riot grrrl is closely aligned with that of Marianna Ritchey, ie "It is totally lame and totally wrong and I feel very gross about it"

Kevin Erickson, Sunday, 21 August 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

"some even give up the gash"

few and far betweeen seem interesting or attractive but i think i'm biased as far as this sort of stuff goes. they should do a kathleen hanna spread where they recreate the whole 'slut' across bared midriff, hot riot grrrl. or have another girl dress as michelle mae [also a former stripper], matching mod and the whole bit or maybe a fucked up little cat power lookalike. see that might be interesting.

jane (jane), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I've long called them Diet Grrrls.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Hey PDF.. nice read! Just wondering, how did you ever think to pitch Celebrity Skin?

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

it's a wooooooooork of art

kephm (kephm), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

quite clearly wants to be associated with the image of riot grrrl

No. Unless by "riot grrrl" you mean punk rock and all its associated subcultures. Basically, the site has always looked to me like somebody finally stood on the corner of Lyndale and 24th in Minneapolis, or outside the Dragon's Den in New Orleans, or at any similar intersection across the country, and noticed all the women passing by, and said, "Why couldn't there be a pin-up site of THESE women?"

The appeal is so basic, I'm sorry your girlfriend is wasting her tuition getting to the bottom of it.

Some of the Suicide Girls are genuinely hot.

Groan.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 22 August 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

The appeal is so basic, I'm sorry your girlfriend is wasting her tuition getting to the bottom of it.

hahaha

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

I don't mean to sound as snooty as I do there, sorry. And sorry I misread your signature, Mr Glinka's girlfriend. It's your tuition then, right? Riot grrrl was a really great and interesting movement, and I'd love to find out more about the opinions of its main "spokeswomen" on any number of things. But the connection here seems tenuous...

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 22 August 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Bitch Magazine did a piece about Suicide Girls a little while ago:

http://www.bitchmagazine.com/archives/12_02sg/sg.shtml

I don't find any reference to riotgrrl in Suicide Girls, personally.

kaygee (kaygee), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

this shit is 100000x lame

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

>Just wondering, how did you ever think to pitch Celebrity Skin?

The editor is a friend and former co-worker.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

What do you think about abbywinters.com?

-- Chris H. (chrisherber...), August 21st, 2005 4:55 PM. (later)

there is none better. the standard by which all others should be judged.

not an oficionado (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

kevin erection?

john clarkson, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

michelle mae [also a former stripper]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/Reilly311/cum.gif

0_o, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/Reilly311/cum.gif

0_0, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

"wow, you've got tatoo's AND piercings? welcome aboard."
that's the criteria. fill it and give a head shot.
there's yr "individualistic S.G."

ie-there's nothing individual about looking alike and talking alike.

from all i can see, it's just another Tatoo mag, but on the net, and w/ more nudity and grrls that say they like the Misfits yet don't know one song...or they just like Davey Havoc!

overall-i give a giant bag of dicks and a hearty 'meh'.

eedd, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

SG is a bunch of dumb shits. RG are a bunch of dumb cunts.

the difference, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

sg is a bunch of dumb shits who like to suck dick. rg are a bunch of dumb cunts.

it makes, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

RIOT GIRL are very empoweed
SO EMPOWEED
They make good ROCK MUSIC
Unlike the males and the blacks
who make there false music
there FAKE MUSIC
RIOT GIRL is very authentic
SUICIDE GIRL is very empowered
THEY are very sexy,empower youn women

dale r, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Hey! do you believe there’s anything
Beyond troll guy reality?
I do, I do, I do
It gets so hard
Just to be okay
Sometimes being happy baby is what
I’m most afraid of
Baby, you know, it gets so hard for
Me to fight
I don’t know how I guess I never did
Why don’t you show me how
How to lose control?
(she’s so very, I don’t care)
Just cuz my world, sweet sister
Is so fucking goddamn full of rape
Does that mean
My body must always be a source of pain?
No, no, no
(she’s so very I don’t care. she’s so very, I don’t care)
Just cuz I named it right here sweet
Chickadee don’t mean for a minute you
Should think I’m opposite of anything
But if you wanna know for sure
I’ll tell you
We’re not gonna prove nothing nothing
Sittin around watching each other starve
What we need is action/strategy
I want, I want, I want
I want it now
I believe in the radical possibilities of pleasure, babe
I do, I do, I do

latebloomer's rectal mocha latte (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Project ISM is a million times more righteous than Suicide Goths.

noodle is out at the moment, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

As one Suicide Girls slogan declares, “We’ve kidnapped your daughter and given her a tattoo.”

Ha - more true than some can even imagine. They copy eye colors, even.

The Popish Plot (dymaxia), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v175/Reilly311/cum.gif

casual gawker.com link (buzza), Sunday, 22 August 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)


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