TS: hip hop 1984 - 1994 Vs. hip hop 1995

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its a toughie
but i think i like 95-05 better
more fun, more party oriented, beats are way more varied and futuristic, more inventive overall, so so innovative, always something new happening
just more interesting really

― ILMEr, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

I'll take hip hop 93-97, actually.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

1974-1984

― PappaWheelie II, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

black ppl 1620-1865 or 1865-1967 or 1967-2005?

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

This is rather absurd:

more fun, more party oriented, beats are way more varied and futuristic, more inventive overall, so so innovative, always something new happening

― deej.., Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Deej speaks truth.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

SAGE FRANCIS!!! UGHHH

― sickhead, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

We should have locked the thread after Trife's post!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

black ppl 1620-1865 or 1865-1967 or 1967-2005?

May 1, 1901 - January 13, 1989

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

sterling brown vs kanye west

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

man if i hear one more rock critic talk about how innovative rap is nowadays!! this shit is why i now only listen to cormega, louis logic & people under the stairs

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

i also spend last weekend w/ my lords of the underground cds- NUMBA ONE CHIEF ROCKA!

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

sometimes trife's sarcasm is like a spanikopita and I can't tell how many layers of delicious phyllo dough there are surrounding the yummy filling

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

haha i loved that just blaze thread where you accused me of hating underground rap

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

hip hop is so relentlessly evolutionary, always pointing to the future, always looking ahead, it just doesnt have time to look at itself and take stock. it just has to keep moving moving moving. this is why i like the last decade best.

― IlMer, Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

do you mean the shit that sounds like angry electro, the shit that sounds like black rob album cuts, the shit that sounds like en vogue or the shit that sounds like pete rock w/ shitty drums?

― 3, Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

i just love the way it goes against the expectations that it must have hard sampled drums, and instead goes for this almost flimsy, barely there, feeble snare. its so great. totally changed expectations for hip hop producers. love how timbaland changed it all around too, from the soul/funk dominance to anything-goes. he gave it a sharper edge.

― ILMer, Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Something about this thread makes me feel we've entered some weird time vortex.

PS: people under the stairs

You KNOW this. I'm going to listen to "Acid Raindrops" right now.

― deej.., Sunday, 21 August 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

First period, easily.

― I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 21 August 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Which era had better car speakers?

― disco violence (disco violence), Sunday, 21 August 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

why are the years 1994-1995 considered to be of such significance?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I think hip-hop spends more then it's fair share of time looking behind!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

ethan your disqualification of black people before 1620 is a gross oversight

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco, is that you again?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

no more than this idiots disqualification of hip-hop before 1984!! sucker mcs!!!!!!!!!!

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

You can have Direct Effect, give me Graffiti Rock!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

anyway lots of black ppl from 100,000 years ago eventually turned into white ppl which could bias the argument on ilm somewhat

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

like on family guy!!

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

lots of black people from 100,000 years ago have been dead for quite a while!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

except for the vampires

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I can't help myself, I wanna help myself but I can't help myself: 3, is there any critical framework within which you think it'd be valid to prefer (say) mid-eighties hiphop to present day hiphop, or is anybody who prefers old stuff to new corny/stupid/deeply suspicious?

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

haha john u r acting the fool at this point

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.briansbar.com/Rufus.jpg
'ahhh, hip-hop classic or dud?'

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

dude is this just autopilot for you now??

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

pretty much, it's my comfort zone

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

notice the parts of the thread where i shit on current hiphop for sounding like en vogue and go listen to people under the stairs

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

this jedi mind tricks cd is incredible!!

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

no more than this idiots disqualification of hip-hop before 1984!! sucker mcs!!!!!!!!!!
-- 3 (...), August 22nd, 2005.

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

i used to hate the main rapper and just listened to the songs w/ gza and killah priest but now i like his verses too

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

however on the new majik most i only listen to songs w/ celph titled on them

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

as I say 3 old man I can't tell when you're beating somebody down with your withering sarcasm and when you're just being straight any more!! maybe this is a critical deficiency in my reading skills tho

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/store/covers/NCS3006CD.jpg
im also real hyped about this cd, tho the overcomplicated concept joint i listened to at an underground rap website was kinda weak

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

hahaha yeah the "God vs. Satan" concept really draws a guy like me in

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

I think I like the older period better, but I'd probably start it a little later, maybe '86. I like the school of beatmaking that relies on rough, jarring samples, with lots of JB breaks, screaming horns that suddenly cut off, nasty scratching, etc. I'm not saying I don't like later hip-hop, but that stuff is my favorite.

3, fuck off.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

dude who the fuck are you

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

also in johns defense maybe he got confused by reading g&w where i talk about an aging midwest 90s gangsta group who are signed to koch and will sell 20,000 copies this year, or breaking news on j-zone's next cd, or mixtapes by canibus and copywrite

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

I've been on this board almost a year.

And I don't get your point. What problem do you have with this question?

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

naw man it just seems like you used to be highly suspicious of anybody who wanted to talk about how good shit was back in the day, which on the one hand is an understandable suspicion but which on the other hand is a cure worse than the disease when overdone

but in the present case the problem is that I am mentally retarded

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

"Any kind of popular trend is infinitely more wholesome than listening to old records. It's more important that people know that some kind of pleasure can be derived from things that are around them - rather than to catalogue more stuff." - Harry Smith

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Listen to one Throwback at Noon on Hot 97. Older hip-hop is still plenty popular.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

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I was thinking more along metaphoric lines

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

yeah sorry i dont mean to hate on you for that, it was real interesting to me the first time too!! im only tired of him now cuz i obsessively read every rap mag ever

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

i think i saw jim jones in NYC, he had an urban outfitters bag

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

my daughter does a really good "paw wahw" impression and feels that mike jones has a good point. after all, if those girls really are only interested in him for his money, that's just WRONG. you should like someone for who he is, not whether or not he's rich or poor.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

ironically more ppl died in joneston than ppl who bought jim jones last album

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

OK, fine, it isn't a good lead then.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

matt does your daughter know what hoes are?!

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

DUH, but she doesn't like that term, it's disrespectful to women.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

she thinks you're a ho though

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

matos i would totally use it if it wouldn't involve having to listen to a dipset record!!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

her mom cant keep a secret then

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

how about just writing a thinkpiece about people who listen to Dipset records, then?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

"oh I put that nice ethan on the street working for me YEARS ago...don't tell your father, I think they're AIM friends"

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

that will be for when i need to fully alienate 50% of my peers

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

haiku fleiss

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

jess, you're holding back?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

haha sorry J

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

"If you have a rap blog, kill yourself."

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

would be the basic crux

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

what if you have a microhouse/grime/nu-jungle blog??

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

so sensetive!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

anyway, you hate dipset!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

haha sorry

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

i was hoping for a real answer tho!! like '...kiss yourself'

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

hugs?

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

(no homo)

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

http://murmurmonster.zombie.jp/sb/img/img117_s_62.jpg
hugs!

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm out

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

thats cannibal ox's new album cover

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

on cassette obv

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

remember to use a sock matt!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

i didn't say "back in 15" dude

― Blountonym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

minutes or seconds?

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

j/k LOL

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

;-)

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

haha

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

actually when DID cyndi lauper get a boob job?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

i saw cyndi lauper on vh1 today...she's lookin pretty good!

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

she's changed her hairstyle so many times now I don't know WHAT she looks like

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

milf's just wanna have fun

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 22 August 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

ye olde shee-boppe

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

TS: cyndi lauper 1984-1994 vs cyndi lauper 1995-2005

― 3, Monday, 22 August 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

no fair, that splits the 'mad about you' guest spots (ira's ex, marianne lugasso)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 22 August 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

haha dude like im gonna even bother tryna listen to it!! the only def jux record i own is the rjd2 'good times roll' 12" and thats just cuz theres an unreleased mhz song on the flip

it's true then, eventually the jocks get you no matter where you hide

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 22 August 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

hmm, i remember that -- contra the line he's taking here -- once upon a time ethan trife was all like "i don't understand the appeal of old-school."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 22 August 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

the shit that sounds like pete rock w/ shitty drums?

haha poor Jay Dee.

― deej.., Monday, 22 August 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

Poor Little Brother too.

Why the sly hate for Cormega and Black Rob..? That's not cool.

Killah Priest has always been boring as fuck.

Isn't early 80's rap and electro just as party orientated as most 1995-2005 rap..?

How is having a rap blog less credible than having a blog which discusses european dance music and grime freestyles..? God forbid people actually discuss the music they like (all blogs are corny, basically, but they serve a purpose if they have mp3s of tracks i don't have).

I dunno, i side with 1995-2005 because "only built 4 cuban linx" was made in 1995.

― Ellis, Monday, 22 August 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

I definitely like the 84-94 period best, but I'm as corny as fuck.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 22 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

'85-'87: specifically, the period bookended by "Rock The Bells" and "Bring The Noise." I don't think it's been bettered.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 August 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...

good times

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

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TS: hip hop 1984 - 1994 Vs. hip hop 1995 - 2005