Video of a SWAT team shutting down a rave in Utah... pretty nuts

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So, i just got this sent to me from another list:

> http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/.Public/fascism.wmv
>
>
> Knick of Evol intent puts the night's events into
> his
> own words::
>
> Last night, I was booked to play an event about an
> hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype
> behind
> this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and
> they
> expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did
> an amazing job with the show.. they even made
> slipmats
> with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.
>
> So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was
> really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley
> surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing
> light show flashing on to a mountain behind the
> site,
> the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500
> people
> thick and everything just seemed too good to be true
> really. Well...
>
> At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the
> stage
> talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter
> pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly
> said
> "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I
> was
> with. I wasn't far off.
>
> The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started
> shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in
> awe
> and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a
> minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a
> guy
> dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault
> rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of
> what
> was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and
> cut
> the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get
> the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where
> it
> got really sticky.
>
> No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police
> dogs
> raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal
> out
> a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The
> soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and
> kicked
> him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in
> his
> back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was
> about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop,
> peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR
> GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running
> and
> screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are
> cussing... bad scene.
>
> Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard
> plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt
> gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are
> instances cited straight out of the promoters
> mouth..
>
> - One of the promoters friends (a very small female)
> was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she
> struggled to get away from it, the police tackled
> her.
> 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.
>
> - The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total.
> People were trying to document what was happening
> out
> there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after
> him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily..
> his friend grabbed it and ran and got away.
> priceless
> footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people,
> there's sure to be more footage.
>
> - The police were rounding up the staff of the party
> and the main promoter went up to them with the
> permit
> for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The
> police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the
> permit
> out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to
> his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here
> right
> now."
>
>
>
> Now.. let's get the facts straight here.
>
> This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the
> city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION
> DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had
> liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating
> any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they
> searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I
> should mention that they arrested all the security
> guards for possession.
>
> Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not
> have
> a warrant. The owner of the land already has a
> lawsuit
> against the city for something similar. A few months
> ago, she rented her land for a party and the police
> raided that as well. And catch this, the police
> forced
> her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's
> right.
> They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own
> property!!!
>
> Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in
> probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And
> this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil
> liberties. The police wanted this party shut down,
> so
> they made it happen. Even though everything about
> this
> event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000
> on
> this show and did everything they had to to make it
> legit, only to have it taken away from them by a
> group
> of radical neo-con's with an agenda.
>
> This was one of the scariest things I have ever
> witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe
> how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles,
> tear
> gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that
> really necessary?
>
> This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least
> in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could
> happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing
> the
> right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the
> police set a standard of what we can get away with.
> And I think that's BULLSHIT!
>
> The system fucked up last night... They broke up a
> party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a
> lot of people there at the same time. The promoters
> already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their
> lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.
>
> I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video)
> will
> surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on
> 404, so you can see the Police State of America at
> work.
>

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 22 August 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

jesus, thats fucking scary scary stuff

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 22 August 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The Czech president -- out to protect YOU from evil techno ravers!

― fe7 (FE7), Monday, 22 August 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2961967

is this the rave this thread refers to, ken?

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 22 August 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

sure looks like it, but i'm simply a messenger in this whole thing... i can't say for sure...

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Monday, 22 August 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

xpost found it! note that only the police spokesman is quoted:

http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=62703

...By 11:30 p.m., more than 90 law enforcement officers and SWAT team members from Utah County, Provo, and the Utah Department of Public Safety shut down the party. At least 60 arrests were made for weapons offenses, DUI, illegal underage consumption of alcohol, possessions of marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine and ecstasy. Arrests also were made for resisting arrest, assault on police officer and disorderly conduct.

Gilbert said of those arrests, 21 individuals were booked into the Utah County Jail...

[...]

He said rave party drugs were offered to a local off-duty emergency medical service personnel who were contracted to be at the rave. Two security personnel hired by the promoter also were arrested for possession of cocaine and ecstasy.

The Utah County Sheriff's Office said in addition to all the illegal activity at the rave, the promoter failed to obtain a permit, bond and approval of the County Commission. The county's mass gathering ordinance -- created in recent years to control events like rave parties -- prohibits gatherings of 250 more people without county approval.

Gilbert said things could have easily gotten out of hand like they did at a similar rave party in the south county area near Little Mob, which was attended by 3,000 partying teens and young adults...

and i like how the article is framed: "these were obviously violent criminals, so the cops were completely justified in everything they did and thus should not be questioned"

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

sigh

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 22 August 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

say, what exactly is the difference or the delineation between "teens" and "young adults"? being 20 years old?

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Well, they were trying to have a rave in Utah...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

thats what my freind and i were just talking about, it must be hard to get down there

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 22 August 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/22/13030/7546

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

i wonder if anything like this will get on bill o'reilly or air america. i mean, if its anything that needs punditry, its this.

― JD from CDepot, Monday, 22 August 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

HA HA !

Ecstasy, crack and crystal meth cause HOLES IN YOUR BRAINS !

They are hard drugs, which should be banned.The whole rave
scene is a fraud, where impotent theives push
out FAKE music, but because of the HOLES in your brains,
you think it's genuine music !

Ha HA !!!!

It's time for you pharmaceutical dependant MORONS to
abandon the DESTRUCTIVE RAVE FRAUD, start doing
some cool NON-lethal soft drugs (weed, mushrooms),
play an actual instrument, and write some songs.

oh oh, too late.You have fucking HOLES in your
musically IMPOTENT brains... LOL !!!

― James, Monday, 22 August 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

genuine music should be banned

― Raver, Monday, 22 August 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

hi marissa

― fe7 (FE7), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Without genuine music, your rave scam can't exist.Your
rave scam has to steal from centuries of genuine
musicianship in order to delude and frenzify the
blind, poisoned pea-brained mob of musically
ignorant twits.

But keep ingesting lethal pharmaceuticals to
sustain your delusion.That way, you ravers
self-destruct and unpopulate.

lol.

― James, Monday, 22 August 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Raves feature only fake music and
poisonous substances, so they SHOULD be
shut right down...

― DerekSmith, Monday, 22 August 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

They send in a SWAT team for a rave? This is pretty scarey stuff.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

It's about time !

Raves promote musical thievery and poisonous HARD drugs.

It's time for you HARD DRUG ADDICTS to ingest THC and
write REAL songs with REAL instrumental/vocal
skill like Paul did.

SWAT vs. RAVE.... SWAT WINS !!!!!

Real music vs. FAKE music.... REAL MUSIC WINS !!!!!!!!!!

― Beethoven, Monday, 22 August 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

http://megaphone.txt-nifty.com/blog/images/prodigy-thumb.png

― latebloomer's rectal mocha latte (latebloomer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

to delude and frenzify the
blind, poisoned pea-brained mob of musically
ignorant twits

Dude's on some Marissa meets Al Sharpton shit...

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

rave scam

so these kids gather by the thousands to dance and have a good time and listen to music they enjoy and not care that they can't hear it on mainstream radio or MTV and you spend the day on the internet complaining about how your genius music can't get in the charts due to all that's wrong with this world? Interesting.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Dan, don't even try. It's hopeless. All these kids are DEGENERATES, don't you see?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 22 August 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

More kids nowadays use weed than any other drug.

Only THC/CBD will set you free from your hard-drug/fake-music
addiction/affliction/fraud/scam.

― YouthOfToday, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Sir Yes Sir!

― Big Bopper (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

It's time for you HARD DRUG ADDICTS to ingest THC and
write REAL songs with REAL instrumental/vocal
skill like Paul did.

A WORMHOLE IN THE TIME-SPACE CONTINUUM ALLOWS ME TO TROLL YOU FROM A USENET GROUP IN THE YEAR 1995!!!

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Me you youth crew!
if the world was flat I'd grind the edge
to the positive youth my heart I pledge
X on my hand now take the oath
to positive youth to positive growth
to positive minds, to pure clean souls
these will be all my goals
walk with me and my crew
there is so much shit we can do
and we won't stop until we're through

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

james, you moron.
http://www.maps.org/media/nature9.11.03.html

― etard, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh man. . . that's really really sickening.

and if people only listened to real music and did real things, would anything even matter. it's attitudes like that that make robots cry.

― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

It's time for hard drugs, pharmasluts, and fake conformist
rave 'music' to be busted up and brought down.

Truth wins.....

.....you....LOSE.

― THC, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

you cant have a party outside in a fucking field at midnight. they were probably on not the promoter's land so they probably pissed off either the landowner or the state parks people. 100% legal those assholes.

― 088fuckingb, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah, honestly it seems like these kids fucked up by not paying enough attention and not having their permits in order. also, you can't really blame the police - if you had to do crowd control on a big group of people (250? or 1500?) and wanted to do it in a really intimidating way that would make them never want to fuck around with this sort of thing again, would you send in 100 sheriffs or would you send in 100 swat team dudes dressed like soldiers?

it's always sad when people who get off on fight-the-power rhetoric actually come face to face w/ power, and then go crying foul about it ...

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Orwellian Rockism, Live at 11.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

if you had to do crowd control on a big group of people (250? or 1500?) and wanted to do it in a really intimidating way that would make them never want to fuck around with this sort of thing again, would you send in 100 sheriffs or would you send in 100 swat team dudes dressed like soldiers?

I would send in rambo to blow them all the fuck away.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

rambo is an imaginary person, duh

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

Vahid, what's your deal? Clearly the cops planned this ahead of time and purposely avoiding telling them their permits weren't in order so they could ruin a bunch of ravers lives to "send a message". Eat 1 dick.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

So is "vahid".

― BlueNigel, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

um. no offense jon but you sound like a 19 year old.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

Jews, Commies and Unionists would greatly object to being
lumped in with ravers.And that's an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Ravercaust !

― BlueNigel, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

His story was nice. it had a happy ending.

xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

actually i am holding out hope jon is being "ironic" here.

thermo, rambo hates the man, too! watch "first blood"!

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

good thing they timed it right as the Preznit was coming thru town...

― kingfish fucked up his login (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

um. no offense jon but you sound like a 19 year old.
-- vahid (vfoz...) (webmail), August 23rd, 2005 2:47 AM. (vahid) (later) (link)

You seem stupid.

Anyway- Seriously, it isn't a big stretch of the imagination to connect this to breaking up protests because they don't have permits for more than 250 people.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

Well who should I send in?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh! ROBO COP!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

Um, I know I'm going to sound completely insensitive here, but we ARE talking about the most conservative state in the country, run primarily on a religious doctrine not as unlike the Taliban as we'd all like to think it might be. Before everyone goes pointing a finger at the cops (who sound like they really were out of line here), what these Utah teens need to do is realize they're in a brain-washed state of religious nutters, probably because their parents are the same, and they need to move out of Utah as soon as possible.

No offense, but I'm stating a FACT here. When religious freedom is used to create a doctrine that sets standards for the STATE, then you're no longer living in a true democracy and you have no rights.

And um, before anyone goes throwing down some "this happens everywhere", save your breath. I've been to raves that were "broken up" in Virginia Beach, NYC, Miami, and DC. Some crowds of comparable size. No dogs, no tear gas, no RIFLES (WTF?). A group of cops walked in and said "party's over kids".....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Is it normal for cops to threaten to arrest those documenting police brutality?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

And Vahid, you're nuts to think that it was OK for cops to storm this thing with RIFLES, if that is in fact what happened.....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 7 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

http://www.utahcountyonline.org/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

Utah County Sheriff's Office Detectives interviewed several females that had attended a prior rave party in the Utah county area in the past month that had been sexual assaulted. These females stated that the combination of drugs and alcohol made them fear for their safety due to the groping and sexual assaults that occurred during the Rave party. In the last year alone one near fatal shooting was investigated by Utah County Sheriff's Office at a similar party.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

okay i have participated in throwing raves in san diego. we did one at a club, one in the parking lot of a fedex facility way out in nowhere, one in the disused warehouse of a skate company that had moved to a bigger warehouse, one in somebody's big rural backyard.

there were about one million things that almost went wrong - one guy OD'd and might have puked on his own vom. one time a whole light fixture almost fell in a swimming pool full of kids. at the warehouse party people were sitting in the rafters and throwing beer bottles with lit paper in them onto people's heads below. at the fedex party i saw some pretty fucked-up kids getting into cars and driving home.

after these (and other) experiences i came to this conclusion: rave promoters are a bunch of shady-ass people who RARELY care about getting all of the permits right (see: the # of raves that never come off and get canceled, the amt of bitching and complaining and calls for refunds on rave networks like socalraves) and who rarely if ever give a shit about things like hiring reliable and professional security, following fire codes, searching and ID'ing people, etc.

dude, i'm all for the summer of love, i'm all for "do as thou wilt" and i'm all for legalizing drugs, murder and fucking in the streets. i'm not really surprised that the state of UT isn't, and i'm not surprised that the cops went in like that. i did "take back the streets" in berkeley about 10 years ago and i was all "why do the cops need riot shields" and on cue, some dumb motherfucker pitched a glass bottle at the cops. well, i would want a shield and helmet too. ever get bottles thrown at you? i get them thrown at me WEEKLY, when i'm out on my bike (ask jsoulja).

one time the cops were in a building with a bunch of affirmative-action protestors who CHAINED THEMSELVES TO THE ONLY EXIT. like, used their bodies and handcuffs to chain the door shut. well, naturally, the cops beat the fuck out of protestors with billy clubs. i would have, too. would you like to be held in a building against your will by dumbasses?

for a smart guy, jon, you're pretty low on "negative capability", ie, the ability to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

I've been to busted up parties and this is def way over the top.

i saw a dealer get busted once and the way the cops acted - it was like the kid was selling grenades or something. i don't know why (well maybe I do know) but a lot of squares seem to have the attitude that where's there's drugs there's guns.

I'm also not sure if these guys had permits or not - as they claimed they did but the cops said they didn't.

Anyhow, they;re just ravers - they'll get over it!

big time xpost!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Good points for riot gear, V.

Irrelevant points for dogs and guns.

I get what you're saying, though.

I was just waiting for either the reporter or the sheriff in that clip to say "and there were homosexuals there, too!"

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

"Kill 'em!"

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

Your points are all well and good, but the use of the military and the total lack proportionality shown are obvious. And frankly, you're a bit of dick for baiting me with your little barbs. Who the fuck calls someone 19?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

it sounds like they had one set of permits but not a specific county permit. it sounds like the specific county permit they were lacking - "county comission permit w/ bond for assembly of more than 250 people" - was actually created specifically to keep raves from happening.

i'm just saying, it's pretty facile to be like "what's up with the squares in utah, huh? we wanna have fun! we wanna get loaded"

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

wtf? Beating affirmative action protesters is certainly NOT understandable, v... how is that going to help the cops get out of the building???

Anyhow - why, exactly, are you getting bottles thrown at you now?

xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

because people are assholes, esp teenagers.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

I have to agree with the military angle here, too. The "dogs" claim seems soundly verified by the number of confiscated drugs in the television report. If this had been strictly intended to break up an illegal gathering, there would not have been a need for so many search and seizures. Based on the presented information, this was a witch hunt from the start....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

Why do you hate teenagers so much?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

"one time the cops were in a building with a bunch of affirmative-action protestors who CHAINED THEMSELVES TO THE ONLY EXIT. like, used their bodies and handcuffs to chain the door shut. well, naturally, the cops beat the fuck out of protestors with billy clubs. i would have, too. would you like to be held in a building against your will by dumbasses?"

uhm...how would that help clear the doorway?

― CMB, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost

beating down the protestors in front let the cops get to the protestors who had chained themselves to the doors. then they used a saw to cut open the chains. there are like 300 people working in the university building these idiots locked up. can you imagine if there had been a fire or an earthquake? or even if somebody on the top floor had had a heart attack?

similarly, do you want to be the cop breaking up a party in the middle of nowhere without a gun? since when do cops not carry guns?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Um, in V's defense, teenagers in San Diego, on the whole, do kind of SUCK....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

the part of the story i left out = there were like 20-30 protestors between the cops and the doors, who were getting in the cops faces and physically shoving the cops away from the locked doors.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

xpost

oh the cops always had their guns, sure, but I never saw any RIFLES

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

No shit! These weren't just cops. They were National Guard troops with rifles. But I guess it was everyone's fault that the organizers didn't have the right permits!

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

§ 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Release date: 2005-08-03

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

do i think the police action is RIGHT? no.

do i think it is SHOCKING? no.

xpost - national guard? are you sure? i am pretty sure the nat'l guard is under federal authority, not state authority.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

State Govs. can deploy the National Guard.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

Actually, come to think of it, this isn't such horrible news. A group of 1,000+ young impressionable ravers in Utah watch 250 or so of their own get clobbered by the local government, which is comprised of the same right-wing ultra-conservative religious-nutters who are presently RUINING THE COUNTRY. Hope for future generations....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

Hmm, I'm not sure it applies to National Guard... I seem to remember the National Guard being used for forced integration, etc.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

hmmm:

[4] For the sake of brevity, the term military as employed in this article refers to the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines, their Reserve components, and the National Guard when in federalized status pursuant to Title 10. It does not include the Coast Guard or the National Guard operating in state-controlled Title 13 status.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see. The part you left out does kind of add things up a little. And I guess needing access to the only exit would make sense... especially if someone needed medical attention. Say, like, a protester!

I still don't understand the bottle throwing tho. Is that just what people do in San Diego?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

It couldn't have been the National Guard, though.

They're busy getting KILLED in Iraq.

(Ok, I'll drop all the political stuff now)

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

One of my friends' friends had an attempted bike-jacking attempt in Rochester, NY where he was struck in the face with a brick.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah. eisenhower nationalized the guard exactly for that reason = he didn't want the governor of arkansas to use the guard to keep little black kids out of integrated school in arkansas (or was it james meredith of out ole miss? i forget ... i think it was the first, and then he cemented the power by sending the guard to protect meredith at ole miss, i think he was using them basically as federal marshals) ... i don't know if that means the state gov't CAN'T use the guard ...

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

"In a nutshell, this act bans the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from participating in arrests, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil. The Coast Guard and National Guard troops under the control of state governors are excluded from the act."

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

Of course, if the operation was under the direction of federal authorities, this would open a can of worms, but I saw no mention of federal units being present.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

ok legalities aside ... i am convinced the ACLU/ravers are not going to make much headway on the "due process" front ... it sounds like the cops had been cooking this shit up for a while so i'm sure their permits are in order.

i'm just saying you can't begrudge the cops for going in dressed like soldiers. it doesn't make sense to me to equate the level of their "gear" != w/ the level of their aggression (those nuts in london who shot that poor electrician were dressed in plainclothes)

the cops may have been dressed like stormtroopers, but they didn't really act like stormtroopers, unless you consider arresting people for holding dope and ecstasy the sign of a fascist government. yeah, some people got roughed up, but people often do when they get arrested - it sucks that girl got kicked in the stomach but i'm sure we've all seen worse stuff at shows.

police beat people up, it's their job. haven't you ever seen an episode of cops?

it seems to me like the cops wanted to make A BIG IMPRESSION by dressing up and toting weapons and entering all dramatic and so on ... and it seems like it worked, in that now the promoters who threw the party are acting like it's the dawn of the 4th reich, when really all that happened was an illegal party got busted, and some people who were holding drugs got arrested for possession.

DO THE CRIME = YOU DO THE TIME, that's what i say.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally using that video at the top of the thread as propaganda for my band (The Salivation Army) vs. shit music.

― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=62952

http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=63032

INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS

― Alec in NYC (ex machina), Saturday, 27 August 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

OK OK jon you were right about the permits!! and the cameraman thing!! (though in california that cameraman would have had to have been like 40 feet away, ie you are allowed to observe an arrest being made but you have to be 40 feet back so the officer can work safely and if you refuse to back away he can do whatever he feels necessary to ensure his / other officers / other people's safety)

but i STILL haven't seen anything re: excessive force, and i will be surprised if i do.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 27 August 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

Vahid sounds like the kind of guy who thinks smoking pot makes you jump out
of 8th story windows and land on top of a pregnant woman.
You have to be a douchebag to support the cops/SWAT team on this one.
What a waste of time and money. They're cutting money from programs for busting Meth labs, but there's plenty of money to fund a helicoptor team to bust a bunch of kids dancing to shitty music.

'police beat people up, it's their job. haven't you ever seen an episode of cops?'

WHAT THE FUCK?!

"yeah, some people got roughed up, but people often do when they get arrested - it sucks that girl got kicked in the stomach but i'm sure we've all seen worse stuff at shows."

wait a second...you ARE a douchebag! no wonder you don't realize it!

― Zach, Saturday, 27 August 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

you are a douchebag who can't / doesn't read.

do i think the police action is RIGHT? no.
do i think it is SHOCKING? no.

-- vahid (vfoz...), August 23rd, 2005 1:04 AM. (vahid)

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 27 August 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

hmm cops takening away our freedoms one rave at a time.....do people ever stop to think it was bigger then that....

― Joker, Saturday, 27 August 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

like they may be looking for someone....or maybe.....hmm they just needed an exuse to be evil and attack people.......cops have anger issues too....they need as much help as we do.....maybe more....

― Joker, Saturday, 27 August 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy seems to see things differently.

In an interview with the Daily Herald on Wednesday, he indicated that he believes law enforcement has the authority to assume a violation will be committed, and officers may therefore go straight to writing a citation.

hooray! Pre-Crime!

― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 27 August 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

THEY WILL TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!

― Joker, Saturday, 27 August 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

wait i ment wont

― Joker, Saturday, 27 August 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

hmm cops takening away our freedoms one rave at a time.....do people ever stop to think it was bigger then that....

Like the Rodney King video, where people saw an edited version of the entire video and figured that they MUST be beating Rodney for racist reasons.

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

nine years pass...

http://digg.com/2015/how-not-to-get-swatted

― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:49 (eleven years ago)

oh weird, look who re-upped this video to youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEKffL2g4Eo

weiiiiird.

― how's life, Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:55 (eleven years ago)

wtf at vahid caping for the police itt

― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 08:33 (eleven years ago)

"oh thank god those cops beat the shit out of the affirmative action protesters, someone could have had a heart attack!"

― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 08:43 (eleven years ago)

Chaining yourself to the doors of a building is a stupid and self-centered and dangerous thing to do. I totally agree with vahid2005 on this.

― how's life, Friday, 13 March 2015 10:33 (eleven years ago)

.......

― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 10:55 (eleven years ago)

I'm not even going to get into how I feel about that because this is not the place.

― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 10:57 (eleven years ago)

sometimes young people just like to argue

― the late great, Saturday, 21 March 2015 04:39 (eleven years ago)

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