"the first album you hear is usually your favourite" - is this true or not?

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In the case of bands with rabid fanbases who can never decide on which is the best album, I have a theory that it is generally the album they first heard which they will end up going back to in the end.

Take Pavement for instance, a band we at ILM take great pride in fighting over which of their five albums is the best and there is generally an unhappy median spread throughout their entire career. However people are rarely swayed by their choices and won't budge from whichever they prefer.

Perhaps this is where the ubiquitous "their early stuff is the best" attitude when referring to many bands. In the case of Pavement I can't see how anyone could champion Slanted or Westing over some thing like Crooked Rain or Brighten the Corners but many do in their droves.

Other favourite bands whose albums I heard first and like best:

Autechre: LP5

Animal Collective: Sung Tongs (I have a feeling if I'd heard Feels first I'd prefer that but I'm pretty sure Sung Tongs is much better)

Aphex Twin: Come To Daddy EP

Beach Boys: Smiley Smile

Would you generally agree with this argument?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

No. Not always. My favourite Orbital LP is In Sides, which is indeed the one I heard first. But my favourite Embrace LP is Drawn From Memory, which I heard second, and they are my favourite band and it's a completely different LP to the first in almost every way.

I think it perhaps works with the Big Important bands that get you in your nascent-music fan period, adolescence perhaps, the albums that grab you and make you realise you love music - other albums by the same artists will never do the same for you because they simply AREN'T those first records. It's like your first kiss or something cheesey - subsequent kisses are going to be way better, but that first one would have blown your mind in a way no other kiss can.

I'm totally babbling here.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)

i don't know about usually being my favorite, but the one i listen to first does have an edge on all the rest, ie the rest have to be much better than the first in order to oust it from its slot.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

it think it depends when you hear that first disc. like if you hear them chronologically starting at being there and follow the career its not necessarily the first.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

The first Lou Reed record I listened to from start to begin was Mistrial. I don't think I need to say more.

snowballing (snowballing), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I think there's a lot of truth in it - the first Sonic Youth album I heard was 'experimental jet set...' and it's definitely the one I feel most of an attachment to, in part because I spent so many hours listening to it and going 'how do they make that noise? wow'; and I'll always insist that 'tri repetae' is the best Autechre album. But I can only think of it in terms of bands with big back catalogues where you weren't there at the beginning; it's like mullygrubber said, if you follow the career from the start you feel more... involved as each record comes out, somehow? When there's a huge back catalogue, I used to pick one album to start from, and usually go out of chronological order with the rest, which is very different from seeing a band's releases as a progression. So the first one you buy can set a mental template, of a sort; if it's a debut followed by a second album you think 'ah and now they go here', but if it's their fourth followed by, I don't know, their second or eighth you don't think in the same terms, it's more 'o and this is similar, this is different, this is better or worse than what I think of them as sounding like'.

spontine (cis), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

The first B&S album I got was ...Sinister, but I like Tigermilk and Dear Catastrophe Waitress equally (even if the latter seems to be less of a fan's favourite...)

With REM, I preferred Murmur over Automatic...which I heard first and was the more palatable for a casual fan. Also New Adventures In Hi-Fi which I think is one of their strongest albums but doesn't have many 'hits' on it.

Mippy (Mippy), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

First Tim Buckley record I heard was Starsailor and none of the others has really matched that in terms of impact, perhaps because it's the most atypical, and sometimes in the early days one resented the rest of his back catalogue for not being as out there. Then you realise that things like Greetings From L.A. and Happy Sad have lives of their own.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

In the case of bands with rabid fanbases who can never decide on which is the best album, I have a theory that it is generally the album they first heard which they will end up going back to in the end.

For me, it's true in the case of bands I don't *really* care that much about (Silver Jews, Sebadoh), but that's cause I'm too lazy to explore and I rather dismiss the other records as not being as good as the first one I heard. For bands for which I'd describe myself as a rabid fan (like Pavement, incidentally), this does not apply at all.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

I've found this to be true with myself. Unfortunately I can't call to mind which albums would be under this umbrella.

Steev (Steev), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I think this is utterly true. It certainly explains why there are so many people who think Out of Time or Automatic for the People are the best R.E.M. albums.

Guayaquil, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Fall LP is not Domesday Triad Plus.

The King's English (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I was going to argue that this wasn't true, but it's true for me for Bruce Springsteen and Rush and Gary Numan and Roni Size and Pizzicato Five and James Brown and Bersuit Vergabarat and Charles Mingus and Prince and the Clash and Parliament (but not Funkadelic), so there's a lot of grains of truth here.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

i was about to counteract this theory with my bowie case. but then my grey cells kicked me into touch.

lodger was my first bowie album, and still remains my fave.

game over - or is it ..

i have all madness albums .. bought and listened to in order or release and i would say that Seven is my fave.

ah ha !

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Cure album is not Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me. In fact, despite how much I loved that album when I first heard it, if I'm being brutally honest with myself the only Cure albums I like less are Three Imaginary Boys and Wild Mood Swings.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Also, I now absolutely detest Strangeways, Here We Come.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

My favorite albums which weren't the first album I heard by said band...or...bands with whose development the chronology of my fandom was most strategically timed, a list:

California, by Mr. Bungle (first heard: s/t debut)
The Reality of My Surroundings, by Fishbone (first heard, again: s/t debut)
Things Fall Apart, by The Roots (first heard: DOYOUWANTMORE!?!?!)
Bone Machine, by Tom Waits (first heard: Nighthawks At The Diner)
The Mollusk, by Ween (first heard: GodWeenSatan)
etc etc etc etc

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

I don't think this is necessarily true; there's a limited number of bands -- mostly bands I really, really like -- who released albums after I first heard them that seemed to top everything prior. It's rare, but it happens. Besides, framing the question this way ignores bands you hear while they're still in their crap phases: plenty of acts release a couple unnoticed albums of scrappy junk before pulling it all together.

The formula works better for successful bands, the sort where people argue about when exactly they got crap. People who heard and loved Album One will tell you nothing was any good past Album Three. People who first heard the band with Album Six will tell you everything through there is good as well. And this makes sense, psychologically. I mean, if the downward spiral is in fact going on, people who started with Album One will view everything past it as a horrible disappointment. People who start with Album Six will actually be discovering in Album Six shades of whatever made Album One so great, and will come to love it that way -- and then mine backward to the source.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Ha, N, Ween are a terrific example of actually strengthening people's fandom with each new release! (Though I guess I could imagine someone saying they just weren't any good from White Pepper on.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

In most cases, my favorite albums by my favorite groups are the first ones I've heard. The exception is when I like a group, and then they release something so good that they become one of my favorite groups.

Someone mentioned Orbital earlier. The first album I heard was the 'brown album'. I was a fan, and bought everything else I could find by them. When Snivilisation came out, they became my favorite group (for awhile).

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Generally I would agree with this (obv. there are a ton of exceptions). One example that pops into my head right away is The Boy With the Arab Strap. I can sense that it's not as good as Sinister but it's the one I heard first and it means more to me.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

This is generally true - fer sure. Some of my favorite "first heard" albums that aren't an artist's first album include:

Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest

Goodbye Enemy Airship The Landlord Is Dead
by Do Make Say Think
Second Toughest in the Infants by Underworld
Fear of Black Planet by Public Enemy
Nassau by The Sea & Cake

But, yes, exceptions are numerous (e.g. OK Computer v. Pablo Honey).

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

That is, "Some of my favorite "first heard" albums that aren't an artist's first album [[[and remain my favorite by that artist]]] include:"

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

True. I think there's a strong correlation between "most popular album" and "album you heard first." Because, like it or not, none of us knew every group from their first EP, and we probably--or at least very often--listen to a new group because the new release is getting a lot of attention, lots of good reviews, etc. So it would work out that as long as there's a decent correlation between "most popular album" and "your favorite album" (again, frequently true, and for good reason), then the album you heard first is often your favorite.

Take Bone Machine, listed upthread. Lots more people heard that album first than heard The Black Rider first, and I'm sure lots more people think Bone Machine is their favorite album than think so of The Black Rider (though I'm sure some people out there do).

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

This is occasionally true for me (Sparks "Indiscreet" was my first and remains my favorite Sparks album) but more often not (Talking Heads '77 was my first by them, loved it, got them all as they came out, "Remain In Light" still my alltime fave.) In fact, I could cite certain groups where the first album I heard by them I didn't even like, and still don't much ("Los Angeles" by X) but prefer a much later one ("More Fun In The New World.")

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

This is certainly true in a lot of cases; but then it's also true that when investigating an established artist with a sizeable back catalogue, the first album I'll try will usually be the one that's already generally recognised as being that artist's best, so the odds are going to be heavily stacked in that direction anyway.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't think this holds true for me... I'm a huge REM fan, but the album I heard first (Out Of Time -- hey, I lived in Latvia, news traveled slowly) is probably my least favorite. I started my Auteurs infatuation with New Wave but Bootboys is their strongest by far... etc etc.

Now, with individual songs, I tend to like the first version I heard over all others. Almost invariably. That's why I, sadly, have no use for most remixes, unless they completely explode the song.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

(Or, as is the case with Le Cont's "Mr. Brightside," they rescue the song from abject suckiosity).

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

In some cases, yes... KISS MTV Unplugged I still love, was my first KISS album. Sabbath BloodY Sabbath is my fave/first Sabbath album, Springsteen's "Born in the USA", I'm just now getting over Whats the Story as my fave Oasis album...

Its definitely NOT the case with Metallica Re-Load, I can tell you that much

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

more often than not, i reckon

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More: first album I heard of theirs.
Breathless - The Glass Bead Game: second album I heard of theirs.
Cocteau Twins - Head Over Heels: fourth album I heard of theirs.
Kitchens of Distinction - Love is Hell: second album I heard of theirs.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

A slightly different question is whether the first album you hear determines how you relate to a group or artist - i.e. it sets the co-ordinates for what you think the artist is "about" and then all differences in the rest of the catalogue become a deviation (for better or worse). Most interestingly/obviously in the case of groups who have a lot of albums and change over time:

e.g. Middle of Nowhere isn't my favourite Orbital album but I'll always think of them as making maximalist anthems for a rave at the end of the universe because of it, which i probably wouldn't think had I picked up Snivilisation or In Sides first.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

First albums heard by, which aren't my favourites:

Can - Soon Over Babaluma
Velvet Underground - first

First albums heard by, which have been my favourites:

The Fall - Dragnet
Captain Beefheart - Doc at the Radar Station
Faust - So Far
Harry Nilsson - Pandemonium Shadow Show

First albums heard by, which are my favourites:

Wire - 154
Parliament - Mothership Connection

More that I can't remember

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Ah, Ween! "God Ween Satan - The Oneness" was the first I heard and, when all's said and done, probably still my favourite. The second was "The Pod", didn't bother listening to them for a long time after that!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

hmm, the theory isn't working for any of my albums the only one I can think of that works is London Calling

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the theory is true at all, at least for me. My favourite album is more likely to be tied into certain times and places -- for instance, many of my faves were released in 1994 because that was a profoundly busy year for me both personally and "musically". I was old enough to go to clubs and gigs, had more disposable income with which to buy CDs/mags, had many close friends who were into the same types of music, and so on. It seemed like there was an explosion of great albums being put out that year, and I'm sure that's true, but my appreciation of it was enhanced by all the other things happening in my life (at least, that's what I believe).

Also, the question is strongly dependent on how long the band had been around before you heard them. People were mentioning Autechre -- I started listening to them in 1993 so there was only one album I could have possibly heard first (and it's not my favourite by them). It's a very different situation when you've already got a large catalogue to choose from and can pick which album you hear first on the basis of recommendations from friends, the internet, or whatever happened to be released in that year.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

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