"When Did Kelly Clarkson Become So Hip?"

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Over the past few months, former Evanescence guitarist Ben Moody has found himself taking less and less flak from rock fans for producing part of Kelly Clarkson's album Breakaway.

"Now it's cool to like Kelly Clarkson, so I'm in the clear," Moody said. "She's kind of popular now."

Clarkson, of course, has been popular in pop circles since winning "American Idol" four years ago. What Moody means is it's slowly become de rigueur for artists and music fans outside of that world to cheer on Clarkson, who is nominated for three MTV Video Music Awards this year (see "Green Day, Gwen, Missy Nab Most Nominations For MTV Video Music Awards") and will also perform at the show.

In an informal survey of rockers and other hipsters, nearly all of the artists polled copped to liking at least something about the Burleson, Texas, singer. (Sorry Kelly, System of a Down still have no idea who you are.)

So how did the 23-year-old former Red Bull girl transform herself from the next Jessica Simpson into a genuinely cool rock-and-roll singer?

"Here's the thing about Kelly Clarkson," Fall Out Boy frontman Patrick Stump said. "At the end of the day, she's an amazing singer, and you can't fault her for that."

Clarkson can certainly blow, as Randy Jackson would say, but so can, say, Simpson. The difference is Clarkson's seen more as the girl next door, and as someone without a manufactured sound or image.

"I think Kelly Clarkson is good because she's real," Simple Plan singer Pierre Bouvier said. "You see her live and you're like, 'All right!' Even if you don't like her style, there's nothing about her that's bad, because she's sweet and she's talented. What else do you want?"

"She's the real deal, so it's not as lame as some other people," Yellowcard singer Ryan Key added. "I hope at some point people will realize what's real and what's not real, and who's an artist and who's not, and who doesn't deserve to be."

From the beginning, Clarkson has always come off in interviews as a sweet Southerner incapable of the diva attitude associated with many of her peers.

"I met her briefly and she seems to have a really great spirit and I think that's the beginning," singer Ciara said. "Your personality is very important, your spirit is very important and she already has that."

"There are so many people out here in the industry that pretend to be something else and she's really one of those that's really, really true from the heart," added R&B crooner Frankie J.

Still, something happened between the release of Clarkson's debut album and now, something that forced other artists to give her a chance. Something called "Since U Been Gone," a tune with the kind of legs that pop music hasn't seen in years.

"It's incredible," Yellowcard's Key said. "It gets in your head and won't leave."

"You have to listen to that song at 11, that's just the way it is," added Switchfoot singer Jon Foreman, who recently caught himself pulling up to the beach with "Since U Been Gone" blaring from his car radio.

Indie rocker Ted Leo saw the video one morning earlier this year and decided to play an acoustic cover of it for a videotaped Web session a few hours later.

"I was like, 'Wow, that's a shockingly good song for a pop star,' " Leo said. "It's just one great hook after another. I also really appreciate the more advanced pop pastiche aspects of it. It's written in a way that is so transparent in terms of drawing from a lot of what's vaguely edgy and popular right now, but put together in such a perfect little package. It's undeniable."

Even though Leo only played it a few more times, bootlegs of his performances circulated around the Internet within a few weeks and it became his calling card, which he's not exactly thrilled about.

"I appreciate that people get a kick out of it, but it's not in the set [anymore]," he said. "A lot of people have asked me about adding some cachet to Kelly Clarkson, as if I'm trying to tell people that she should be considered more than she is, but honestly, I was poking more fun at myself and my own weakness for a good hook. Not that I have anything against her. In that world, she got where she is because she can sing. She's not some heiress with a Chihuahua."

Fittingly, the humble Clarkson never expected "Since U Been Gone" to earn her such a widespread fanbase.

"It's ridiculous how well that song was received by hard rockers, by indie people," she said. "They will say stuff about it and I'm just floored. I was walking around with a friend of mine and this hard-rock guy came up to me and was like, 'I look stupid, but I tell my friends I love this song.' People at concerts are like, 'That's my guilty pleasure. I don't mean to be mean, but I didn't want to like the "American Idol" girl.' But they love that song, and it kind of won them over."

What's also winning rockers over is the video for Clarkson's follow-up single, "Behind These Hazel Eyes," in which she sabotages her own wedding.

"She is so unbelievably gorgeous in that video that is all over TV right now," Yellowcard's Key said. "The wet wedding dress and the wet hair and ... come on, man! Who knew? She is so hot. She looks so good in it."

Simple Plan's Chuck Comeau agrees. "I want to date you," he said. "You think it's just a joke, but it's not a joke."

And rockers are apparently not the only ones obsessing over Clarkson. One of Hollywood's hottest comedic actors is so smitten with her that he yelled out her name while ad-libbing a memorable scene in his latest movie.

"I don't know her very well, I mean, we dated a couple of times," "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" himself, Steve Carell, said, tongue firmly in cheek. "She smells like strawberry shortcake, I know that. Her eyes are like limpid pools and she has the voice of an angel."

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Apparently you become hip if members of Evanescence, Yellowcard, Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Switchfoot like your music (isn't it Switchback, or am I confused?)...and my man Ted chimes in with some funny lines (check out his cover, if you so desire)...

PB, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

i've always thought kelly c. was cool. ha! vindicated at last.

and I can walk out into the world, singing with my people (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I think I hate Ted Leo now.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

he does come off like a tool.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Not that I have anything against Kelly Clarkson, but consider teh source...

Byline I'm waiting to see: "Special to MTV News"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I love me some Since U Been Gone.

Cliff =C= (OnoSendai), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

And it's simple, the people love her for the booty.

Cliff =C= (OnoSendai), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Ted Leo is always saying stuff like that - he had that tirade against Blur's "Song 2" in a Punk Planet interview that was similarly overthought and wordy.

And what about people who even love "Breakaway"?

Legroom at the Vista (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

she has one good song. next year it will be some other token popster who indie rockers dig on. but PB has a great point. Evanesence, Switchfoot and various othe crappy modern rock bands can stamp the badge of cool on someone? I didnt think so but I guess I really dont know. But the writer confusing that the bands she mentioned and hipsters belong together somehow is woefully out of touch.

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

also, am I the only person that feels compelled to tear their ears off when "Behind these Hazel Eyes" comes on?

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

haha alright i give! I'd never heard this song...I finally upped the 99 cents and bought it on iTunes cuz of this thread....it's good!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

The brilliance of "Since U Been Gone" for me is that it transmogrifies both Interpol and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and in doing so improves on them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

god...okay this is also the first time I've used iTunes....that was cool...i clicked a button and got a song!

okay gang, what other undeniable pop hit of the last year should I download???

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Clarkson can certainly blow

hmmmm

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

POP MUSIC CAN BE COOL -- ULTRASHOCKAH!!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

R Kelly Clarkson

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

okay gang, what other undeniable pop hit of the last year should I download???

ASHLEE SIMPSON - LALA obviously.

Alternatively, "Break You" and "End Of Me" by Marion Raven, and new Backstreet Boys single, are very much in the same vein as SYBG.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

(written by Max Martin too, obv)

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Ashlee - "Pieces of Me"

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

I love how Ted can't just say he likes a song.

"I mean, it was pretty good for a pop star. I mean, if you like that kind of thing. Because there's multiple layers to it, you know? It's like a dichotomy or something. Thats why I covered it... but I refuse to play it. Oh yeah, I'm also a total douche."

Dogs/Wind in sand, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

"tearing my ears off" may have been a bit of hyperbole but is "Behind these Hazel Eyes" really fairly universally liked? (serious question) My strong dislike of the song may have something to do with hearing it every half hour, for two weeks, at work. A few songs that I may have otherwise liked have suffered similar fates with me.

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

It's about time we got our own Linda Ronstadt.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm so glad I get to pick the music I listen to at work. Though I really ought to listen to the radio more.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

this week on the Blockbuster DVD: New Singles from Faith Evans, Ben Folds, Lalianna(?) and I think Bryan Adams. Its usually a little more edgy but this cycle is particularly bland. Edgy being the Bravery or Coldplay maybe Ryan Cabrera. It all gets repeated every half hour. Throw in that Ben Harperish Coke jingle about buying the world a Coke and chilling with it and peace and love and all that shit Coke stands for and you have a pretty good idea of what I listen to 4 days a week.

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

KELLY CLARKSON COOL SAY SHITTY WARPED TOUR BANDS - OUR TOP STORY AT 11

latebloomer's rectal mocha latte (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Didnt they all cover "Hit Me Baby (One More Time)" a few years ago?

latebloomer's rectal mocha latte (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Behind These Hazel Eyes is great. We hazel-eyed folk never get songs written about us.

Oh, since the Marion's not on itunes, here's "End of Me", which is very much "Oh, Max, write another Since U Been Gone, sweetness". Well, it's a killer template, and this is the Oops I Did It Again to SYBG's Baby One More Time.

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JSO27LR3QEY12QFEGK8OMRIIH

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

These bands' willingness to avouch for the quality of Ms Clarkson's music suggests that they're trying to confound their fans, which further suggests that it's no more than a chic gesture. When Richard Thompson covered Britney a few years ago he didn't make such a fuss about it: he thought it was a good song and would sound good coming out of his guitar.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

When Richard Thompson covered Britney a few years ago he didn't make such a fuss about it: he thought it was a good song and would sound good coming out of his guitar.

...but what wouldn't.

PB, Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Her butt gives her cred -- I'm surprised someone hasn't written a jingle about it.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

"Kelly Clarkson's sexy ass puts Yellowcard, Simple Plan, in new dimension"

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

She does look very hot in that video.

Whoever said Ted is wordy and overwrought is correct...perfect description of the guy........but I still love him. Check out his cover of the song...it's actually pretty good and he adds a little twist in there...

PB, Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Max Martin didn't write "Since", did he? everything I've read about it says that it was written by Martin Sandberg/Lukasz Gottwald, and that Kelly liked the writer's demo but thought it was too rough and went to Max Martin to produce it and beef it up.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Ah, yes, that would be about right.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Clarkson can certainly blow, as Randy Jackson would say

What.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

PB has a great point. Evanesence, Switchfoot and various othe crappy modern rock bands can stamp the badge of cool on someone? I didnt think so but I guess I really dont know. But the writer confusing that the bands she mentioned and hipsters belong together somehow is woefully out of touch.

-- jmeister (jmeiste...), August 24th, 2005.

What really gets me about this is that it implies that Evanescence and Switchfoot ARE cool, and furthermore, are on some higher plane of cool than Kelly Clarkson (because they ROCK, right?)

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Can someone explain to me for once and all the connections that ensure that MTV pimps bands like Yellowcard, Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, Switchfoot, etc? Like are there directives from on high that the person who wrote this news article received that required him/her to interview these guys?

PB, Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

I would have figured among those that are in a position to deem things cool, hipsters (nebulous as the term may be) would figure Kelly was cooler for the irony alone. I'm under the impression that those bands are the face of "corporate rock" and would have to be not only un-cool but loathesome to hipsters as they typically keep it authentic and liberal or so they would say.

I don't think MTV.com gets many people reading its articles that actually venture outside of what they show on any of their cahnnels so maybe for the audience this article was written for those bands are cool. Then again discussing what is cool has always seemed impossible for me. The only thing/person I know is cool is Miles Davis. Im pretty sure hes recognized as the epitome of cool.

jmeister (jmeister), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

Who's Miles Davis? Can he sing?


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rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

What if all the people who think Kelly Clarkson is cool are not being 'ironic'? Gasp!

Flyboy (Flyboy), Thursday, 25 August 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

MTV isn't aiming at 'hipsters.' Those (shitty) bands have 'cred' with mainstream rock fans - people who only listen to the alt-/heavy-rock station and generally whine that pop stars aren't real.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

That Yellowcard single was pretty good.

deej.., Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

"Ocean Avenue," that one.

deej.., Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I love how all their reasoning for likely her is purely rockist. "She's so real," etc. Isn't Yellowcard reading ILM?!!

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

I always loved the line between the mainstream "cooler than thou" and the hardcore "indier than thou." Like, you know, Yellowcard looks down on Backstreet Boys, while Warren Defever snarks at pop punk with fiddles.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

what the hell is wrong with what ted leo says there! god forbid someone with a career in the music industry should acknowledge the existence of said industry and, worse, use multi-syllable words, all while talking about a pop song! he shoulda been keeping the faith!

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

It's not that, Tom, it's that he appears to want to profit from the song and maintain coquettish distance from it at the same time.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Not even the profit part so much. He just sounds like a (middle-aged) suburban indie kid who has to create reasons that allow him to enjoy music other people like - 'oh, man pop music is so lame and unoriginal and not from the heart, man.' People who espouse those views generally sound like douches.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

He just sounds like a (middle-aged) suburban indie kid who has to create reasons that allow him to enjoy music other people like

He'd fit right in around here....

PB, Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I second the recommendation of Marion Raven's "Break You" and "End of Me." "Break You" is similar to "Since U Been Gone," but "End of Me" is much more in a teen-girl-who's-discovered-Joni-Mitchell vein. (I realize that Marion is no longer a teen, but that's how the track comes across. I like the music, though the words are ridiculously vague. Also, I've only heard the live acoustic version.)

(Marion Raven, was one of the Ms in M2M. Her album has been released in Scandinavia, Mexico, Japan, and Southeast Asia. I don't know if or when it's due here.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Also, next time ILE has one of those threads about detestable words, "de rigueur" needs to be on it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Evanescence, Yellowcard, Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Switchfoot

Those (shitty) bands have 'cred' with mainstream rock fans - people who only listen to the alt-/heavy-rock station and generally whine that pop stars aren't real.

I'm a mainstream rock fan, and I hate every one of those bands. I'm pretty sure they all recieve way more spins on Top 40 stations than rock stations. These bands are praising one of their own.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Evanescence (well okay, Amy) is awesome.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

it could be worse you could have Guarini all over the place.

Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

"My Life Would Suck Without You" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Since U Been Gone"

De Pussyclot Dolls (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:39 (seventeen years ago)

wow you are high

nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:40 (seventeen years ago)

i never really liked 'since u been gone' tbh

De Pussyclot Dolls (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:41 (seventeen years ago)

and you've been high for a while

nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:42 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

Kelly got hip because she seems capable of bro'ing down. Cute too, but lots of singers are cute. It's the "Yeah, whatever...we can go out, grab a pitcher, play some pinball and talk about Zeppelin if you want, and then I'll get up and tear the roof off the place at karaoke" factor that makes us all swoon.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 15 March 2009 08:18 (seventeen years ago)

The Brainwasher OTM

zeus, Sunday, 15 March 2009 08:33 (seventeen years ago)

HI DERE OTM

I get more stanton props than bruce willis (The Reverend), Sunday, 15 March 2009 08:37 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

It is hip to get fatwa'd for pushing tobacco products?

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/21/kelly-clarkson-concert-banned-in-jakarta/?hpt=T2

An Indonesian Islamic organization is saying an upcoming concert by Kelly Clarkson in Jakarta is banned under Islamic law because it is being sponsored by a tobacco company, according to a report Wednesday in the Jakarta Globe.

Muhammadiyah, the second largest Islamic organization in the world’s most populous Muslim country, has previously declared all smoking forbidden under Islam, according to the Globe report.

The head of the organization’s fatwa, or religious edict, department, Yanuar Ilyas, told the Globe that the no-smoking fatwa applied to Clarkson’s concert.

“We do not need to put another fatwa on a thing that is already clear,” the Globe quoted Yanuar as saying.

The U.S.-based campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids has also raised objections to the Clarkson’s Jakarta concert, scheduled for April 29 and sponsored by L.A. Lights cigarettes. The organization is asking Clarkson to cancel the sponsorship.

"If Kelly Clarkson goes ahead with this concert, she is choosing to be a spokesperson for the tobacco industry and helping them to market cigarettes to children," said the president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, Matthew L. Myers. "If she rejects tobacco industry sponsorship, she can send a powerful message to children in Indonesia and around the world that they, too, should reject the tobacco industry's deadly products and marketing."

While many nations do not allow tobacco sponsorships of entertainment events, Indonesia has yet to sign on to such a ban, according to the campaign.

Clarkson’s fans are weighing in on her Facebook page, posting numerous comments calling on her to drop the tobacco sponsor.

But in a blog posting attributed to the singer Wednesday afternoon, she says her only option would be to drop the tour date, something she cannot do without disappointing her Jakarta fans.

“This is a lose-lose situation for me and I am not happy about it but the damage has been done and I refuse to cancel on my fans,” says the posting titled “Jakarta Mishap” and signed “Kelly.”

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:39 (sixteen years ago)

no, not hip.

peacocks, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:43 (sixteen years ago)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/04/22/amd_kelly_clarkson_billboard.jpg

I've never heard of L.A. Lights before.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

But now I'm thinking about taking them up!

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

I had shoes called L.A. lights or something like that when I was a kid. The bottoms lit up when you ran and jumped and stuff.

peacocks, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:58 (sixteen years ago)

Cigarettes are total, unequiovcal shit.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:05 (sixteen years ago)

(Ah that's why the spell-check was bothering me.)

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:06 (sixteen years ago)

(Couldn't even see it before through my bleary morning eyes.)

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 23:07 (sixteen years ago)

fourteen years pass...

Currently watching The Kelly Clarkson Show in an Argentinian restaurant without sound and I’m experiencing some sort of time dislocation. She’s interviewing Carol Burnett, who is 91, while Kelly somehow still looks 20. No idea what they could be talking about.

This is evidently the sixth season of The Kelly Clarkson Show. Does anybody here watch it?

Josefa, Tuesday, 27 August 2024 19:36 (one year ago)


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