1) I got sort of tired of it at some point
2) I currently like other Beatles albums better
3) No rock album is THAT important
4) Similarly, anything that highly rated is BOUND to be a little overrated
5) Pet Sounds stands up better for me to repeated listenings
What I really dislike though, and yet can't come up with an argument against, is the idea of Sgt. Pepper's as the most groundbreaking, trailblazing, etc. pop album ever.
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
-- Austin Still (austin.swinbur...), August 25th, 2005.
Yeah, one tack that occurred to me is to say "Hey, ever heard of Bonzo Dog Band?"
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)
*My Beatles OPV: Rubber Soul, Revolver, Help, Hard Day's Night, Meet the/With the Beatles.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)
― Salty internet pirate, Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)
― moley (moley), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)
one of my high school substitute teachers overheard a classmate talking about the Beatles and told us stories about how you could walk down certain streets in San Fran in 1967 and hear the entire album from one block to another.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)
The guitar solo salvages it though.
― Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 August 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 August 2005 06:27 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 25 August 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)
Except this hasn't happened for over 20 years, has it?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)
a day in the lifesgt. peppers reprisegood morning good morninggetting bettersgt. peppers lonely hearts club bandlovely rita (the last thirty or so seconds especially)for the benefit of mr. kitewithin you without youshe's leaving homewhen i'm sixty fourwith a little help from my friends (the first twenty or so seconds especially)lucy in the sky with diamondsfixing a hole
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 25 August 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)
― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 25 August 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
This is incorrect. George Martin had little influence on the band's direction. Sgt Pepper was mostly Paul's baby.
"It's easy to see why it's too frivlous for rock crits...."
Whoa! That's not at all what its defenders thought! They defended because it was a Serious Rock Statement. The (over)estimation of Sgt Pepper is the beginning of rockism.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)
Ha ha, is that the one where he goes thru the solo records too? And demolishes all of them, but especially George Harrison. I think he quite liked some of Ringo's albums.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)
Whoa! That's not at all what its defenders thought! They defended because it was a Serious Rock Statement.
Yeah, but not any longer. Not so much anyway. Look around you, the "Serious Rock Statement" has swung towards Revolver and maybe even Abbey Road a lot more, I'd say.
― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
What is that supposed to mean?
― Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)
Age 10: Paul is the best, his songs are great!
Age 15: John is the best, he's COOL!
Age 20: George is the best, I'm in COLLEGE!
Age 25: Fuck the Beatles!
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)
Age 35: Paul's new album is his best since Tug of War!
Age 40: Yoko really was a genius!
Age 45: The Traveling Wilburys were really good, really!
Age 50: Fuck the Beatles!
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)
Absolutely. Sgt. Pepper was the Big Bang for me being a music fan, but I don't think I've listened to it in its entirety since junior high. These days I go to Odessey and Oracle for my Big '60s Rock Statement fix.
The Anthology version of "Good Morning" is stripped down and, imho, superior to the overdone LP version.
― mike a, Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
Age 18: The Beatles and Stones are great but the Beach Boys suck.
Age 21: The Beatles, the Rolling Stones AND the Beach Boys are great.
Age 24: Classic Rock sucks! But the Beach Boys rule.
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)
― mike a, Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)
(1) It was really reactionary. It was dominated by McCarthy's music-hall sensibilities, which drew in all of the pre-rock generations. That's why it was the only rock record that lots of peoples' parents bought. Up until then, rock had been about generational and social conflict, drawing the line between their music and ours. Sgt. Pepper's was about generational and social reconciliation. It acknowledged the conflict -- She's Leaving Home, the sitar on Within You, the drug subtext of Lucy and Friends -- but even those songs pulled all the punches in the context of the time. She's Leaving Home treats the parents with sympathy, Lucy is very conventionally pretty, Within You serious and philosophical. And the rest of the songs -- When I'm 64 was the first "rock" song (not really a rock song at all) to acknowledge aging and imagine a life beyond 30. Lovely Rita had someone with a real job treated sympathetically. A Day In The Life dealt with bourgeoise ennui in a way that adults could relate to. Help From My Friends was another totally conventional music-hall song that celebrated community, not rejection. Getting Better is an obvious adult-friendly song.
Lots of those elements were there in Revolver, too, but it was more dour and something like Eleanor Rigby still felt like the youngsters mocking their elders. Post-Sgt. Pepper's, Revolver could be much more appreciated for how reactionary it was as well.
So there was an enormous sigh of relief from the oldsters, much like we see now with Kanye West, except much, much bigger because it was the first sigh of relief, The Beatles were enormous, and 1967 was a pretty scary time if you were over 30. And the wishful thinking engines of the media really went to work on the concept that if this is where rock is headed, we'll be alright.
(2) The whole concept-album idea, and the accompanying declarations of Artistic Ambition, were pretty new. Not unique, but unique from any artist as popular and visible as The Beatles. This was another strong signifier of Adulthood, and reinforced the lyrical/musical themes of the record and its vibe of continuity with the past rather than rejection of it.
So anyway, there you have it: It was an album parents and kids could both love. The Doors and Surrealistic Pillow were not albums parents could love. It was a message of hope in troubled and confusing times, holding out at least the possibility of ultimate reconciliation and continuity. People loved that shit.
― Vornado, Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)
Also: Vornado's #2 holds a lot more weight than his #1.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)
Age 26: "No it's not!"
Age 29: "Eh, who cares?"
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)
Age 24: "There's only like 3 or 4 decent songs on it. Cool that Aleister Crowley is on the cover, though."
Age 31: "Still don't really like it."
― IXLPLX, Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 25 August 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)
What's so strange about that? I got it for 50p or something
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)
― Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)
― darin (darin), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
They bought it because the arts pages in the broadsheets, who had started to think that there might be more to beat music than something for teenagers to dance to, treated it as a respectable work of art, and suggested that something was going on that Mr Jones should be aware of.
In thinking of the contemporary critical reception it's important to remember that Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane were originally intended to be part of SP and were released as a double sided single instead purely as a commercial strategy. The sense that The Beatles peaked in the Sgt Pepper era was hugely influenced by this: people tended to lump SP and the double-sided single together taking them together as "what The Beatles are doing now" and it seemed a miraculous increase in sophistication compared to what they had been doing even a couple of years earlier. To some extent the perception that SP was "overrated" arises because later listeners don't have this same tendency to evaluate the period, rather than which tracks happened (somewhat arbitrarily) to be included on the album.
― frankiemachine, Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)
Even at age 12, I thought Rita was being used. She's an underpaid civil-service worker who gets a date with a Beatle. But she has to pay for dinner, AND is asked to perform menage a trois (or quatre) after the date. What is this, R. Kelly circa 1967?
― mike a, Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)
I am still trying to love "OK Computer" but I think if I'd been 16 when it came out it would have the same iconic status, and is similar in being mindblowing for those that were there and in that mindset at the time.
xpost - Strawberry Fields would give SP a massive bump up, eh? thanks frankie
― Declan Zimmerman, Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
but I can't buy that...
― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)
― bump, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)
But besides that, top album.
Top !
― Erock LAzron, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)
― Fählig, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
The very last animal is a chicken, which they edited onto the first note of "Sgt Pepper" reprise which is a guitar note, of which they sped up the tape so the note was the same as the chicken squawk, then returned the tape speed to normal.
So, a guitar made half a chicken.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)
There's one thing I want to know about the cover. In one interview, John Lennon said that if you look closely at the cover you can tell that two of them were "flying" in the photo session. I presume he meant under the influence.
My guess is John and George.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 07:37 (twenty years ago)
― conspiratatus, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:41 (twenty years ago)
(That said, I haven't listened in many years and might prefer about 5 other Beatles albums. I swear by white and MMT but no one listens to me anyway. I really like With the Beatles and Help! too.)
― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)
― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)
And, at the risk of caving into someone fishing for attention, Sundar is basically on the money on this thread, and usually has pretty interesting things to say in general.
― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)
fucking hell i can hear carl barat and pete doherty covering 'day in the life' and it's the worst most appalling shit ever.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 27 August 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.shortandhappy.com/images/CVache1.gif Noooooooo!
― Just got offed, Monday, 27 August 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)
"Sgt. Pepper" has been "overrated" since punk. Come up with something new.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 August 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)