TS: The Beatles vs Peter, Paul & Mary

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Please note that if you choose Peter, Paul & Mary you are in fact part of the marxist-feminist conspiracy and CERTAINLY not of the earth-pig born.

This is from Dave Sim's "Collected Letters" (ninja please)

"The dialogue between YHWH and God continues. I think YHWH's contribution back in the early 60s was Peter, Paul and Mary. I mean, it is a *way* of looking at Christianity, seeing Peter, Paul and Mary as the three cornerstones after Jesus. Of course, being YHWH her point was; if you have Peter, Paul and Mary, what do you need Jesus for? I think this amused God a great deal - to the extent that he countered with John, Paul, George and Ringo. Paul, of course, was actually James: James Paul McCartney. So John and James were leaders of the band, like the sons of Zebedee, John and James, the brothers Boanerges, the sons of thunder. John and James, of course were the ones who sought to sit on the right and left hands of Jesus in the next world (egged on by their mother, according to one Gospel account). So it was a good joke that on the cusp of becoming world famous John and James ditched Peter, Pete Best, the drummer since this is basically what the biblical John and James had attempted to do with Peter the apostle. The George part, I think, was God's way of saying that leap-frogging Peter - that is the Vatican - lands you in England and Henry VIII's decision to make himself not only king, but head of the church as well. There have been three King Georges , the last one being George III, the George whose exorbitant taxation created the impetus behind the founding of the United States. Now, having ditched Peter, that meant you had three kings or a Ring of Stars (Ringo Starr) only in the same cursory way that Peter, Paul and Mary make a ring. Of course, because this was God's idea and not YHWH's the Beatles were exponentially more sucessful and influential than were Peter, Paul and Mary the "three kings" and George III part resonated more successfully with them landing in the United States than Peter, Paul and Mary could ever have hoped to and, of course, YHWH, being a perennial sucker for music and dancing has ridden the phenomenon as far as he/she/it could. It actually ended with Charles Manson - God's point being that, separated from God, these "three English kings" are just sleazy long-haired drifters, using their music and charisma to enslave impressionable young girls, as Manson did.

There were interesting extensions. The Beatles were the template that attracted their own disciples, the Rolling Stones, which was another play, in my view, on the fact that there had been a pool of disciples for the two Jesus'. There was Peter, Cephas, the rock or stone, but he rolled back and forth between the two Jesus', as I suspect most of the disciples did. Between the two Jesus' and probably other highly regarded thinkers and philosophers, rabbis and 'masters' of the time period. And, as with their modern day counterparts, the 'rolling cephas' of the time had a far greater longevity than did John and James and the Georges. As, arguably, the Rolling Stones, ultimately, have been far more influential in rock music than were the Beatles (most rock bands being vulgar and scruffy, rather than clean-cut and tailored). Both bands, by the way, noticed the James and John connection and were led to wonder, in that case, who was Jesus? The conclusion was Brian Epstein. Which conclusion, I think, led to the premature demise of the Beatles manager and the exiled member of the Rolling Stones, Brian Jones. And, of course, later on Monty Python with the financing of George Harrison incarnated the viewpoint by calling their parody of Jesus The Life Of Brian"

(found this via http://www.livejournal.com/users/stealthmunchkin/)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

OH MY GOD.

it looks like i really have to get that Dave Sim book. just... wtf. wow. this and the bizarro stuff just posted on I Love Comics makes me think it's just FULL of gems like this.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

same ILC thread links to this livejournal, which is how I found the other 'un.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 28 August 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)


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