Skullflower - Orange Canyon Mind - C or D?

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Haven't kept up with Skullflower in years. Don't like Total. Like Sunroof! and Hototogitsu OK. Intrigued. Tell me more?

Paper Money = Death of Christ (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

neither classic nor dud. it's just an album. sounds more like sunroof! and the relatively uninteresting recent hototogisu digital stuff.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Total dud. I wanted to like it, because I've heard great things about them over the years from folks who, apparently, should know better. But it sucked. Get the new Khanate instead; that'll give you nightmares for a month.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, pdf, new skullflower stuff has about as much business being called skullflower as the last boston album...

search out xaman and all will be revealed.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the new Skullflower is like Skullflower trying to keep up with the neighbors next doO)))r. It's certainly not TERRIBLE. Should please any dronejockey. The new Khanate is hella scary.

The best drone record of the year is Oren Ambarchi's one on Southern Lord. Just pure unadulterated bowel-loosener.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

You should all get the recently resurfaced Obsidian Shaking Codex (RRR). It says it all about what Bower's trying to get at. Everything since then has been mere elaboration upon this prior statement. Some of it's pretty good though. His music has a kind of genuine homespun / human ecstatic freakout quality about it that I find it hard to dislike.

myopic_void (myopic_void), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Nice. Thanks for the tips, fellas.

What sounds like Sunroof!'s "Cortez The Killer?" That fucking RULES harder than anything else I've heard from Bower. You can hear a clip of it on the surefire site....hold on i'll try to link to it

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.surefiredistribution.com/mp3s/MF17.mp3

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahahah..wickerpeediah.."Khanate is a band that brings together James Plotkin and Alan Dubin, two members of the defunct band OLD. It is rather similar, maybe an evolution, of O'Malley's previous band Burning Witch. The band produces songs that often exceed the 10 minute mark, and are characterised by harsh layers of feedback combined with vocalist Alan Dubin's torturous vocals, which consist of extremely painful (to the listener - and presumably Dubin's voicebox) shrieking and screaming. Even though doom metal itself is obscure, unprofitable, and even boring to the mass market, Khanate narrows that market even further, with even most doom fans being turned away by the severity of the vocals and the abusive atmosphere."

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I gotta check out that new Khanate album, yes.

My buddy Regina was telling me about a short-lived Stephen O'Malley project that had a female singer - what the hell is this?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

that sunroof mp3 is good.

amon (eman), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

fuckin' A, brotherman. I need that on vinyl. Psyched for that one.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

What is the new Khanate?

What does Khanate have to do with Orange Canyon Mind? I don't hear any similarity.

Orange Canyon Mind = not classic, but I love the first few songs.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Khanate album is called "Capture & Release". It's great.
I'm expecting my pre order from Hydrahead any day now. Also got the Pic Disk from Conspiracy. Its rather spiffy.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

i kinda like the last two skullflower albums. they're not comparable to the early stuff, and i don't hear them as crushing doom deals, but there's plenty of cool stuff going on.

dan (dan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

I was hoping Capture & Release was an EP. It's short for an album. Very cool, though, I agree. I can't wait to hear what they do next.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Orange Canyon Mind is pretty good, but not great, same with the Hototogisu's Green. Running in place a little, same ideas, slightly different execution. I've been listening to This is Skullflower on VHF though and it kills.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

mcd otm. and i need to get that vhf one, i like the samples they have up

amon (eman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

skullflower "early stuff" is misnomer as there was quite a transition of sound from sludge metal to noise to psyche/improv. I've set it before...Carved Into Roses.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

been listening to This is Skullflower on VHF though and it kills.

it do indeed. that's yer overlooked/underrated/whatever album right there.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

that previous Khanate alb is much lamer than anything Matt Bower has ever released - fucken TERRIBLE singing, for one thing. James Plotkin = sure signifier of the dreary.

Orange Canyon Mind is OK - esp. that track 'Annihilating Angel' - but I don't think it's anywhere near as compelling as Green by Hototogisu which, to my ears at least, seems to be some kind of 'advance' on the basic noise-drone method

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

IIIRD GATEKEEPER!!!!!

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

that's yer overlooked/underrated/whatever album right there.

Yes, and remarkably it's one of the few still available! Coincidence?

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

My buddy Regina was telling me about a short-lived Stephen O'Malley project that had a female singer - what the hell is this?

Thorr's Hammer, who did one album on Southern Lord

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Green by Hototogisu which, to my ears at least, seems to be some kind of 'advance' on the basic noise-drone method

This album reminds me a lot of Exquisite Fucking Boredom which I didn't love. Maybe I should give Green another shot, I normally go ape for the Hototogisu records. Swoon Scream for instance I could listen to for days.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Pretty good but not great seems about right. I've liked every pre-EFB record that I've heard better. Though, for all the CRUSHING SLUDGY NOISE hyperbole, it does make nice bedtime music.

original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

green bored me to tears. but hototogisu has been screaming downhill ever since the first cdr, which was amazing.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

i admire the boldness w/ which you flaunt yr collector-scum credentials

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

What everyone else said re: the good Skullflower stuff, of which there is a lot.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

ever since the first cdr

I haven't heard so much of the Hototogisu stuff (not even sure what the first cd-r is!) but I love the blasting high end drone with Marcia Bassett filling in the deep spaces.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

i admire the boldness w/ which you flaunt yr collector-scum credentials

right, right. that's why i bought the cd, so i could LOOK COOL ON THE INTERNET. good call.

the first one is the white wind of autumn, mcd, it's all tinkly and pretty and acoustic (which is pretty much what hototogisu was until last year). lots of toy instruments. they were pretending to be a lost japanese drone collective ala taj mahal travellers at the time.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 1 September 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

chill el dude, i was totally trying to make a joke, ANYONE who posts on a skullflower thread has serious collector-scum 'issues'

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 1 September 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

ANYONE who posts on a skullflower thread has serious collector-scum 'issues'

Or they just like the music?

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

sigh

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Ahhhh I see (lightbulb over head), that's a continuation of your 'joke'. Sorry, right over my head.

Anyhow, I just re-listened to the whole of Orange Canyon Mind and while it's not the best of the bunch, still CLASSIC. The track "Orange Canyon Mind" is new-wavey drone and catchy!

El Sabor, I look fwd to checking out the White Wind of Autumn as your descrip sounds quite nice.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

really looking fwd to the 3-disc reissue of early albums/singles on VHF.

new album loved on a bed of roses fucked on a pile of corpses is monumentally good, too. (more thoughts here)

difficult to adjust to ilxor being a low frequency poster (ilxor), Sunday, 6 November 2011 18:54 (fourteen years ago)

whoa, great news! have any more info about the upcoming vhf release?

original bgm, Sunday, 6 November 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

it's not even on the VHF site yet, but Aquarius wrote a HUUUUGE review of it - their lead review this week:

(scroll to 1st record listed)

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/newest.html

difficult to adjust to ilxor being a low frequency poster (ilxor), Sunday, 6 November 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

nice. already have carved into roses but not infinityland but what I'm really excited about is that singles disc!!

original bgm, Sunday, 6 November 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)

Oh shit, thanks for pointing out that box. How does that stuff compare to Argon and This Is Skullflower? I don't really like those two too much but I really love IIIrd Gatekeeper, Xaman, Last Shot At Heaven and Obsidian Shaking Codex.

I find all the other newer things, side projects included, to be pretty disappointing. It all seems to easy, not enough depth. Drone by the numbers almost. I own a lot of it, but I don't have much time for it. I think loop pedals are exceedingly bad for drone, although this is a conclusion I only came to after doing a lot of loop pedal drone crap myself. Drone needs a deeper commitment to the sounds... or something

liam fennell, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)

You'll probably dig these going by the ones you love. Pretty much my favorite period of Skullflower.

I find all the other newer things, side projects included, to be pretty disappointing. It all seems to easy, not enough depth. Drone by the numbers almost.

Yeah, absolutely agree with this. Old Skullflower/later Total/Sunroof stuff was so much more interesting than any of the newer stuff.

bear has little fear of hades (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 7 November 2011 01:52 (fourteen years ago)


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