Yr pop-punkers sure do like Gibsons, don't they?

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It seems like only recently one started seeing so many dudes toting single-pickup LP Juniors and old SGs.

http://www.virgin.net/music/picturegalleries/postleedsreadingfestival/pix/01_main.jpg

Noticeable because Fenders still has something of a stranglehold on mainstream rawk (to the extent that there is such a thing).

And the bass players still all play Precisions.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with Precisions, MP?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

I can't figure why so many of them wanna rock the SG when the Les Paul is clearly the superior choice in all ways

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Nothing wrong with Precisions, kl. I'm just wondering why the guitar players appear to be trending toward non-Fenders, while the bass players stay put. I don't see too many of them gravitating toward the Firebird bass or toward Rickenbackers.

(Note: this "trend" has been determined through the totally unscientific method of going to concerts every once in a while and occasionally glancing at the television when my wife is watching MTVH1etc.)

Banana, I'd agree that a two-humbucker carved-top LP is clearly the superior choice in all ways. I would not say the same of the flat-topped, single-pickup Juniors and Specials though.

And I do like the way some people use an SG. I can't imagine Carrie Brownstein playing anything else, for instance.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

'78 Custom Black Beauty is one of the few things I get all drooling-gear-geek about

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Nice to see another Les Paul fan, BN.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Yr indie-types sure do like Telecasters, don't they?

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Teles are cool..my guitar player plays a Jag...product of a childhood Nirvana obsession...he took out the stock pickup and put in an EMG humbucker though..

I play a Fender Jazz (Mexi)....it's pretty solid, but I curse the stock bridge...I gotta get a Badass II....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I've seen a lot of indie types with jazzmasters/jaguars lately - which is kind of like the gibson of the fenders, if that makes any sense.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Hey, does anyone know if it's worth it to replace the stock Fender jazz pickups with EMGs or something like that?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Yr country-music types sure do like those Dano tic-tac basses, don't they?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

It's true that yr indie types do like them some Jaguars and Mustangs--part of it is Cobain, but I think it's also got something to do with Sonic Youth.

And maybe this fellow:

http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/johnnymoped/punk/rock/photographs/costelloelvis.jpg

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

also, Jags and Jazzmasters are really good sounding guitars.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I kind of take the radical position that any mod you do on yr gear is good because it'll sound and feel different & that'll change up your game some!

I like to tell this story: I spent ten days in a really good recording studio last year and that was where I first played the '78 LP Custom (Black Beauty) they had in their guitars room, and the sound (through a National amp) blew me a way, and I wound up making my favorite song on the record with it. I get home and I am jonesing for that guitar. Never having been much of a make-n-model guy I do some pricing and am quickly schooled. But I was in touch with an old friend who used to play a lot of guitar & was super-elite connoisseur dude about it but who got carpal tunnel and can now only play chapman stick. I wrote to him and asked "do you have this guitar?" 'cause when he was first gettin' into guitar was right around '79. He says no I don't, but do you remember our friend Brian? He had one, I'll bet he still does. I get in touch with Brian who says "you know just last week my mom asked me to come get my old guitar out of the garage!"

It was a '79 actually - the KM, one of the last 1500 made in the Kalamazoo, Michigan factory - and it had been sitting untouched in its case since about 1981. It now sits about two feet from where I'm typing this.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

"blew me a way" haha sorry

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

aaaw how sweet.

I have a mexican tele with three pickups. the twang is really something else...

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

"I don't see too many of them [pop-punk bass players] gravitating toward the Firebird bass or toward Rickenbackers."

Why would they, though? They can get their big full bland sound with the Precision and their big solid state rig just like the guitarists are getting their big full bland sounds with their Gibsons and whatever rigs they have. Wouldn't want to rock the boat!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

"I can't figure why so many of them wanna rock the SG when the Les Paul is clearly the superior choice in all ways "

"I don't see too many of them gravitating toward the Firebird bass or toward Rickenbackers."

I think this is because Gibson Les Pauls, Firebirds and Ricks cost a few hundred bucks more than a P-Bass or a SG. Criminy a new Gibson LP Standard is like $2200 bucks...yikes.

That being said, I think an SG is a pretty brawny sounding guitar, especially considering it is such a smaller and lighter instrument.

earlnash, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Les Pauls rule. The only thing I don't like about mine is that it weighs too much. I get Les Paul shoulder when I play it. I've got a 78 goldtop, which has a one-piece body, oddly enough. By the late 70s, Les Paul bodies were two pieces glued together. Either mine was custom, or someone found a palette of old one pieces in the factory and used them up. Either way, the guitar sounds so deadly, especially when it's direct into a wound-up tube amp.

SGs are great, but I never felt really comfortable playing them. The "devil horn" cutaways just don't do it for me.

There are an AWFUL lot of emo/screamo/hardcore/punk guitarists sporting Les Pauls, however.

I could never commit to one guitar. I rotate between two Strats, a Les Paul and a Jazzmaster for recording and gigging. Don't have a Tele or a good hollowbody right now, but i'll rectify that one day.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

precisions don't have to sound bland though...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

No, of course not! Pop punk bands have to, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

It seems like only recently one started seeing so many dudes toting single-pickup LP Juniors and old SGs.

-- The Mad Puffin (pfnwrit...), August 31st, 2005 6:29 AM. (The Mad Puffin)

Maybe it's a flashback to the late 80s/early 90s (Replacements, Superchunk, etc.)

The Jaguar/Jazzmaster fetish is rooted in surf-rock, then Television/E.Costello, then Sonic Youth/My Bloody Valentine/Dinosaur Jr.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I really dislike EMG's in Jazz Basses, for what it's worth, Matt. If you want more gusto in a Jazz, I'd look at the Duncan quarter pound J-bass pickups.

(It should be noted that I hate EMG's about 90% of the time anyway.)

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

thx john...maybe I'll just leave the pickups... I like the way it sounds...I gotta get the $$ up to take it into yr shop and get a Badass bridge put in....man my bridge sux so bad, I'm sick of keeping allen wrenches in my case to adjust the saddles all the time, I'm sure I've way fucked up my intonation from messing w/it too...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

3 things:
- P-90s
- Price
- A change from the Jag/Jaz/Mustang craze of the '90s

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I think walter is right, BTW, about the Juniors and SGs.

(Brooker, my Les Paul is abominably heavy, but a supah-padded and thick strap has definitely improved my ability to play it for long periods of time. That and occasionally playing ye Strat.)

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

"I'd look at the Duncan quarter pound J-bass pickups."

These are excellent and pretty hot for a single coil bass pickup. They also cost less than the Fender vintage replacement pickups. I tricked out my Mexican Jazz bass with a set of the Quarter Pound pickups and a Leo Quan bridge.

earlnash, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

LP Jrs and SGs also look cool and are a little bit of a change from the ubiquitous look of a Les Paul, Strat or Tele. They bring to mind Mick Jones, Angus Young, Tony Iommi, etc.

The fact is that new Gibsons are ridiculously expensive and pretty poorly put together while vintage Les Pauls are even more expensive so naturally people turn to the cheaper vintage gibsons and the newer budget models like the faded DC and SGs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

a Leo Quan bridge.

how much are those? around 100 like the badass II?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Leo Quan makes the Badass II, and it should cost about $60.00 in chrome.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

The Epiphone LP Jrs w/ P90s were the cheapest name-brand/'real' guitars I saw when I wandered around GuitarWorld last. If I ever have an extra hundred bucks, I was thinking about getting one to play with alongside my Mexi Tele.
I pretty much only play (around) with weird phaser effects and stuff, so I guess it doesn't matter that much what I play.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Matt:

If there's one thing Fender cuts corners on with their Mexican output, it's the pickups.

You'd do well to read up and shop around on all the options for replacement pickups. Stay away from EMGs, though. They are soulless.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

The Badass Bridges do do make a difference, it makes the string ring open and clear like a string through bridge. You can tell the difference even unplugged from an amp. I guess the guy behind Leo Quan runs his company out of his garage.

Those cheapy Epiphone LP Juniors with the single humbuckers and the bolt on neck are nice for the money. A friend of mine picked up one at a guitar show and some older Tokai humbucker this spring for about $50 bucks. After swapping out the pickup, that guitar sounded great. A mahogany guitar that will stay in tune with a decent humbucker will go a long way.

earlnash, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Alternate Thread Title, Utilizing a Popular ILM Meme: When Did Yr Pop-Punkers Get All Les-sed Out?

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

thx for all the bass advice folx...much appreciated.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Earlnash OTM.

I know many a person who has swapped out pickups on all manner of cheapo Epiphones. A world of difference!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I have some Seymour Duncan humbuckers on an Epiphone LP and it sounds great.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Anyone know if there is a replacement bridge for a Epi SG Jr to replace that horrible wrap around bridge/tailpiece? I want something I won't have to pull out the bushings and glue with a dowell and redrill holes for the different spacing or threads seeing that most metric sized bridges won't fit their Gibson US counterpart and are usually off by a few millimeters.

kjm, Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I think i know what you are talking about. I found a really cheap, but good baddass style bridge on ebay a while back. My guitar had the same problem, just a crappy wraparound. I'm pretty certain that it will fit right into the bushings because mine fit fine in my guitar, and it's not even a Gibson, it's a Univox! The badass bridge is good because it has adjustable saddles.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)


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