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http://www.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,16373,1580828,00.html?gusrc=rss

cant believe no-one got feedback from the ILM massive.

looks like Arctic Monkeys are indeed going to get a lot of covers in the coming months.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

I hate them already.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

prior to reading this article this morning, i was thoroughly enjoying the louis xiv album, loving the stripped down, glammed up t-rex fun. then i saw that Ross is gonna push them hard (they are on his TV show tonight i believe?), and i thought 'fuck'.

oh well - agreeing with Ross is something i will just have to get used to from time to time i guess

mark e (mark e), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

the people who control what you hear, like and buy

you all laughed at me for putting aluminium foil inside my baseball cap, but i was right all along!! they won't get me with their mind-manipulation devices!

mind you, they ain't never made the mind manipulation device that would be so powerful as to make me think the Arctic Monkeys are remotely worth listening to.

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

I probably hate them less than Kasabian mind.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

These are the people who control what you hear, like and buy:

Hannibal says: I think 2006 is the year that funk is going to come back in a big way. Look out for new releases by Jamiroquai and the Arctic Monkeys.

Face says: The biggest buzz in 2006 will surround the hundreds of remix compilations and mixtapes that idiots will post on the web in the misguided belief that anyone will be fooled into thinking that it’s a new Kanye album. Expect big things from Sway, Tupac and the Arctic Monkeys.

Howlin’ Mad Murdoch says: The breakthrough act in 2006 will be the Arctic Monkees, a tribute band from desolate northern Greenland featuring the original Mike Nesmith in a parka.

BA says: That cup of tea will have to have a whole mess o’ crack in it before I listen to any of this Arctic Monkeys shit.

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Who the fuck are the arctic monkeys anyway? I recall hearing the name being mentioned on the radio, but can't remember a single thing about the number they played.

I must assume that when everybody in a gatekeeper position agrees that a band is great, then they mut actually be, you know, really hot shit. :-/

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

Did I miss the entry for "Tom Ewing: Editor of Freaky Trigger/ILx" then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Taste makers? Bunch of arseholes. Stupid article!

11V, Friday, 30 September 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Of course it's stupid - it's the Guardian isn't it?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps it is a stupid article, but it does tend to highlight that a lot of people in music culture gatekeeper positions here are kind of marching in step, tastewise, doesn't it? Either that or there is some unknown extra-musical factor at work in pushing this band to the fore at this moment in time.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

I must assume that when everybody in a gatekeeper position agrees that a band is great, then they mut actually be, you know, really hot shit. :-/

Norman, you're such a romantic. I think you'll hate them of course, but you can hear for yourself; Atci Monkeys - Mardy Bum.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

Marcello: it got cut. My tip for the top is the Arctic Monkeys, though.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the d/l, Billy.

The music was pleasant but utterly unremarkable, the singer sounds like someone doing a comedy impression of ian brown, sort of. Why is this exciting? Are they great live, or something?

I heard a new Strokes track on the radio the other night. Somewhat to my surprise, I liked it. Perhaps 3 albums in, the Arctic monkeys will get better.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

I did like the fact that it was called "mardy bum" though.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

what annoys me is that most if not all of the people in the article undoubtedly believe that they are somehow directing people's listening, as opposed the industry, commercial concerns, A&R, publishers, etc. They won't see themselves as a link in a chain, they see themselves as the starting point of musical trends.

i can therefore only assume that it's laziness caused by supreme arrogance that the best that they can collectively come up with is the fucking Arctic Monkeys. Parky is the only guy there that I have any respect for after reading that article, and he's claiming Cullum!

Lee F# (fsharp), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

http://umsis.miami.edu/~amack1/WILL%20FERRELL%20IS%20THE%20FUNNIEST%20MAN%20ALIVE_files/image011.jpg

"the arctic monkeys are so hot right now.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

T'Arctic Monkeys are the Peter Kays of pop. They only offend those who demand something more from their entertainment. Personally I quite like them, but it won't make any difference what I or anyone here thinks anyway. Like CBBC they're not meant for me. And I can sell my unplayed seven of the first single for money.
I'm more puzzled by the love for Kubb, who are the shittest thing I've heard in years (but have no chance at all, mercifully)
Conor Twat really is a patronising twat. Bring back the Oxbridge Mafia to NME- it was often shit, but it wasn't dumb. His ad dept will be delighted to know he's targetting the real big spenders though.

Lee OTM about chain, but is this site any different?

snotty moore, Friday, 30 September 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

"Parkinson's hand seems firmly in control of which artists appear on the show - he spotted Razorlight on TV coverage of Glastonbury [...] I think I've got rather popular taste - a lot of people like what I like and they're not being properly serviced by TV or radio."

Ummm. How exactly are people with "popular taste" not being served at the moment again??

Isn't the problem that people with un-popular taste (anything outside of dour nu-indie, jazz for 20-somethings, bland guitar singer songwriters, Ministry Of Sound approved dance music, US billboard hits ... and anything not R'n'B related that got shuffled over to 1Extra) aren't being represented AT ALL anymore due to the overwhelming conservatism & self-congratulation of these fuckers?

"We were the first people to play R Kelly's Ignition, we've been playing Damian Marley's Welcome to Jamrock since April"

Finding the hottest talents from the underground there alright.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

I think this site is quite a lot different to that, actually, Snotty. If this site were to be similar to tha, just about every thread would be started by street teams for major labels (actually, perhaps a lot of them are! I have no idea, really)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

FAKE TALES OF SAN FRANCISCO-Arctic Monkeys

Fake Tales of San Francisco
Echo through the room
More point to a wedding disco
Without a bride or groom

There's a super cool band yeah
With their trilbys and their glasses of white wine
And all the weekend rockstars in the toilets
Practicing their lines

I don't want to hear you
(Kick me out, kick me out)
I don't want to hear, you know
(Kick me out, kick me out)
I don't want to hear you
(Kick me out, kick me out)
I don't want to hear you
I don't want to hear your...

Fake Tales of San Fransisco
Echo through the air
And there's a few bored faces in the back
All wishing they weren't there

And as the microphone squeaks
A young girl's telephone beeps
Yeah she's dashing for the exit
And she's running to the streets outside
"Oh you've saved me," she screams down the line
"The band aren't very good
And I'm not having a nice time"

I don't want to hear you
(Kick me out, kick me out)
I don't want to hear, you know
(Kick me out, kick me out)

Yeah but his bird thinks it's amazing, though
So all that's left
Is the proof that love's not only blind but deaf

He talks of San Francisco, he's from Hunter's Bar
I don't quite know the distance
But I'm sure that's far
Yeah I'm sure that's pretty far

And yeah, I'd love to tell you all my problem
You're not from New York City, you're from Rotherham
So get off the bandwagon, and put down the handbook
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Get off the bandwagon and put down the handbook

Yeah

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Q: What do the Scissor Sisters, Magic Numbers and Arctic Monkeys all have in common?

A: Shedloads of demo MP3s freely available on P2P before any major releases. Thus is the fan-buzz created.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

In every case, by major multinational record companies.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

That Artic Monkeys track reminded me srongly of 'If You Should Try to Kiss Her' by Dressy Bessy.

marianna (mariannapm), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Hmm, I'm not convinced that it was a deliberate marketing ploy by major labels. (In the Scissors case, I know from personal anecdotage that they were rather embarrassed by the leaking of their demos.)

What does surprise me is that this ploy HASN'T been seized upon and exploited more than it is.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

To a completely uninformed north american, the arctic monkeys sound like the libertines.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

It is in fact an *exact* cross of The Libertines and The Bluetones.

The song they play in the video on their website sounds rockier.
It's all remarkably unremarkable. But I think the singer looks like Donnie Darko.

vinegar (Koens), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

The thing is, Conor McThingy from the NME sort of nailed me in that article. When I was 17, and working in a shitty vacation job in an electrical wholesalers' warehouse about five minutes' walk from Doncaster railway station, the NME was my lifeline.

But I don't think I would ever have been desperate enough to be driven into the arms of the Arctic Monkeys. "And all the weekend rockstars in the toilets / Practicing their lines" WOW DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID THERE?

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

But when you were 17, Mike, the internet was only a twinkle in Al Gore's eye. Things are different now.

[Question, being Dutch I don't know these things and I'm genuinely interested: how many readers does the NME still have?
And how much of an actual influence on ppl's tastes do you reckon they have?]

vinegar (Koens), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

ABC sales figures for NME are 73,640 for first 6 months of this year.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Thanks! But the second question was the important bit :-)
I know here on ILM, NME is a laughing stock; but what about the slightly more casually interested reader / music fan / record buyer?

vinegar (Koens), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Good post, Ewing!

There is an important point somewhere behind the article, but it overestimates the media's power to micro-manage our taste. If my own taste was reliant on Parkinson, Ross and the NME, I wouldn't spend my time listening to Lloyd Cole, the Sundays and the Pines rather than Jamie Cullum, Kaiser Chefs and whoever the Arctic Monkeys are.

the pinefox, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

And as the microphone squeaks
A young girl's telephone beeps
Yeah she's dashing for the exit
And she's running to the streets outside
"Oh you've saved me," she screams down the line
"The band aren't very good
And I'm not having a nice time"

"WHATEVER, TELL IT TO YOUR BLOG"

should be the chorus to this song.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

The only hope for Artic Monkeys is if they cover "From LA To New York"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

The no-taste makers.

Wanting to be known for breaking K T Tunstall is like wanting to be known for being the person who initially spread AIDS or something.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Fandango on the money

Isn't the problem that people with un-popular taste (anything outside of dour nu-indie, jazz for 20-somethings, bland guitar singer songwriters, Ministry Of Sound approved dance music, US billboard hits ... and anything not R'n'B related that got shuffled over to 1Extra) aren't being represented AT ALL anymore due to the overwhelming conservatism & self-congratulation of these fuckers?

That's why i run my music news blog because the mainstream centric establishment as indicated above don't represent my music interests.

All the people represented in The Guardian article just conform to the niche expectations of their respective roles.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

As do you of course, not that I'm making any value judgement.

snotty moore, Saturday, 1 October 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)


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