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I noticed they've recently published ones on Kick Out the Jams, Murmur, Low, Endtroducing... all albums I love. Anyone read any of these? Are they any good? I've read one of this series that was really good (Piper At The Gates of Dawn), and one that was pretty dud (OK Computer).

― James Russell, Friday, 30 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

The editor is calling for submissions...

http://33third.blogspot.com/2005/09/let-games-commence.html

― jz, Friday, 30 September 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I really like the idea of this series, but unfortunately I've not been too interested in most of the albums being written about. Maybe the new submissions will change that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Interestingly, someone from the publishers has just posted to Momus's livejournal, inviting him to write one of these:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/imomus/141909.html?replyto=4274517

― jz, Friday, 30 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Hah well that won't make me more interested.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Cheers for the heads up, jz, I just sent in a list of proposed ideas. I'm not holding my breath, but ya never know, right?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Are all the people writing these at least somewhat well-known or previously published? I mean, not any average person can get assigned one of these, right?

― Christian, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Christina, with that sort've self-defeating attitude, how do you expect to get anywhere in life? There's nothing stopping you from sending in a proposal. Experience and clips would probably help, but inspiration and enthusiasm can sometimes take you a long way to! Give it a shot -- nothing ventured, nothing gained!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

whoops, ChristIAN.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Is Momus going to write about one of his own albums? That actually might be pretty interesting.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Christina would have a better chance than Christian?

― the pinefox, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Alex is right enough, but it sure helps to have something under your belt.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I sent in four ideas, got positivish maybes on two of 'em. I'm in for the second round of pitching in November.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

i want Momus to write about Little Red Songbook or Happy Family's Man on Your Street... or maybe Circus Maxmimus

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I suggest a new series of books writing about our favorite 33 1/3 books.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

hmmm... Anyone got a list of the ones that have been done already? I might send in a proposal for a Britpop album, maybe Blur.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Should be right there on the blog.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

and here

http://www.continuumbooks.com/(2clvaxyhexwj0345wn5dus45)/SeriesDetail.aspx?SeriesID=THIR

― ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

"And not to come across all Cher or anything, but these may well end up being the very last books in the series, so let's hope they're good'uns."

Heh, somebody please pitch a Cher album - the original Half Breed, or Foxy Lady perhaps.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the one on Bowie's Low is excellent.

― doug e, Friday, 30 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

seconded on Low, really well done

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I like Ott's book *hides*

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

"I suggest a new series of books writing about our favorite 33 1/3 books."

Surely a series of concept albums would be more appropriate?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

I propose a new series of television shows about our favorite concept albums about our favorite 33 1/3 books about our favorite records, which are all, in one way or another, about our favorite subject, and that my friends, is love.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Low thirded, Hugo Wilcken did a great job.

― willem (willem), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I wrote one for the winter crop, on Neutral Milk Hotel's "In the Aeroplane Over The Sea." Here's some info about it, for anyone interested:

http://lostinthegrooves.blogspot.com/2005/06/neutral-milk-hotel-33-13-book.html

― Kim Cooper, Sunday, 2 October 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

"I propose a new series of television shows about our favorite concept albums about our favorite 33 1/3 books about our favorite records, which are all, in one way or another, about our favorite subject, and that my friends, is love."

These would need to be based on the stage adaptations of the radio plays, obv.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

'Murmur' is a great read. I'm looking forward to the one on 'Low'. Strange they haven't done a Dylan yet, I can imagine a brilliant 'Blonde on Blonde' or 'Blood on the Tracks'.

― dimitri_, Monday, 3 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Probably people are afraid of trodding on Greil's territory. He sorta did one with Invisible Republic.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 3 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Haha, the list of artists pitched in the latest round is up on the blog. More than 160 pitches! OMG!

So this bump is for those who pitched to fess up, and to allow others to guess which of the artists they pitched. I'm in there. (Hint: it's one of the artists that is pitched more than once.)

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Heh, I've pitched for something also pitched by someone else. Be interesting to see if either of us get it!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

I pitched.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

OMG Ned we both pitched Iron Maiden WTF???

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

HELLS YEAH.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

seriously Ned I guess Wire for you.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

i fucked up my submission deadline. oh well.

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

ned's was: Limp Bizkit

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Matt and Jess are both correct, 'correct' meaning 'wrong.' (But Jess is having a funny.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Drew I don't know you very well or your tastes...Aphex Twin maybe? Or Throbbing Gristle? I DO NOT KNOW, SORRY.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

I'll take the mystery to my grave . . .

So how many books are they going to do out of that heap of 160?

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Drew = Eno?

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Drew = Eno?

― GET EQUIPPED WITH OBLIQUE STRATEGIES (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm hoping 140. Daddy needs a new pair of Shoes.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I was going to guess the Minutemen for Matt, actually.

A very small amount, I hear, will be selected -- maybe as few as five? So I'm keeping my expectations way low for my pitch -- I've made my best effort and I hope it works, but I need to be realistic!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

DREW = ENO???

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Ned, you are OTM, if "OTM" stands for "Officer Tragically Mental." By which I mean you are R-O-N-G. But I thought about it!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

matt = cafe tacuba or i'll eat my hat

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Uh, guys, Matt DID say it was one of the artists for whom there had been multiple pitches.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Better stock up on your Fedora Helper, Jess old bean!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

:-O

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

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you think?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the idea to write about somehow underappreciated records? If so, that seems like a more apt choice than Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the idea to write about somehow underappreciated records?

apparently in the case of them picking Celine Dion it is (though "underappreciated" probably only applies in the by-critics' sense there). otherwise, no.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh wow, I'm glad to see a lot of writers that I know and/or like get set up with this stuff. I'm definitely interested in what Scott Plagenhoef, Carl Wilson, and Daphne Carr come up with for their respective albums.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

> otherwise, no.

This is what I get for gassing on without ever having read one of them there books.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

Thanks ilxors. I am stoked, and lots of those books look like good reads to me. This should be fun. I hope to live up to the prickly old Throbbing Gristle slogan "we guarantee disappointment" . . . .

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 27 January 2006 03:55 (twenty years ago)

Aim high. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 January 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Judging from his pitch, David Smay's Waits book is gonna be a killer. I think he's one of the most provocative pop thinkers around, and it's about time more people got sucked into his world. (slightly biased cos we've edited two anthologies together... but it's true!)

Confidential to L.A. ILMers, I'll be reading from my 33 1/3 Neutral Milk Hotel book at Book Soup on 2/8 and Vroman's on 3/25.

Kim
http://scrammagazine.com/nmh.html

― Kim Cooper, Friday, 27 January 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Bump!

I love these books. Any ILMers got one coming out soon? I've bought/read the following:

Neutral Milk Hotel
David Bowie - Low
Celin Dion - Let's Talk About Love
Radiohead - OK Computer
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
R.E.M. - Murmur
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA
The Rolling Stones - Exhile on Main Street

Bought but haven't started reading yet the Belle and Sebastian book by Scott Plagenhoef.

The blog showed something like 500 submissions were given a year ago, so I'm hoping more releases are coming up.

― musicfanatic, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 01:44 (sixteen years ago)

scott pgwp - spiderland Post-Rock/Math-Rock

whiney - nation of millions Rolling Twitter Rock Crit

― zvookster, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 01:50 (sixteen years ago)

And Geeta is interviewed here today!--

http://henryjenkins.org/2010/03/on_brian_eno_and_barry_lyndon.html

― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 01:51 (sixteen years ago)

(Not that I'm sure she ever posts here any more, but for old time's sake.)

― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 01:51 (sixteen years ago)

lol-ing at me being all tactful & guarded about the ATCQ approach there only for whiney to go instantly ham on it.

― zvookster, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 02:07 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

so hey, got the nation of millions book in the mail this morning and it's v. good so far (one bus ride later). historical context, stuff on recording of the sample material w/ some focus on the important musicians and their intentions, incorporating & connecting meanings & connotations w/ other sampled tracks & into the PE tracks themselves, jumps in time that feel as natural & cosmic as a kubrick matchcut. style & content is reminiscent of the early (best) parts of Chang's book, researched storytelling w an elegance breaking into occasional eloquence, but with more of a sense of focus since all roads lead to one record. after only five pages at a natural break i paused just to look around me and feel pretty content w myself, always a good sign.

― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

damn dude, zvookster for mod

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:30 (sixteen years ago)

seriously, you are literally the first piece of feedback i've gotten on it, so i seriously might cry now. thank you so much dude. it means so much to hear that, you have no idea

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:31 (sixteen years ago)

― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:36 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.angelstitches.com/images/cross-stitch/moments/lgjr02.jpg

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:47 (sixteen years ago)

yeh it would be more in my comfort zone to rip on it for being corny & rong but what can i do. at 450 or so pp. it's on the thicker side for a 33 1/3 book i think? so hopefully it gets wack in the home straight & i can bring the h8. but my hands are tied, congratulation to whiney for &etc.

― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Monday, 12 April 2010 23:58 (sixteen years ago)

As much as I give whiney shit on various threads, I honestly can't wait to read this.

― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:02 (sixteen years ago)

looking real forward to it, what's the release date?

― the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:36 (sixteen years ago)

i don't have money to spend on new books atm, but next time i am in a bookstore and have time to kill i will read as much of this as possible.

― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

xpost,

i think it's out now tbh

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

oh damn i thought i woulda seen something on your twitter or w/e, had no idea

― the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

I can easily second this, finished this last night -- the book is fantastic, pulls together all the right sources, impeccably researched, tons of hard core details pulled together, fun to read, etc

nice to read you writing about something you're actually totally committed to, almost unrecognizable from the guy who posts endless bile to this board! had to say it, but serious congratulations on this book, you really did it right

― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:22 (sixteen years ago)

listened to Millions twice while reading it, with detours to my CDs and youtube to check out things that were sampled, then went to Planet. back to Millions today

I remember reading through Rap Attack about 10 years ago and it was almost too frustrating, just endless lists of 7" tracks and b-sides I knew I was absolutely never going to find... then I re-read it again last year and about 80% of the tracks mentioned are all up on youtube... books like Whiney's that go through the sources and how / why they were used, they're golden beams of focused light in an age of distraction... going through the original elements and hearing what was done to them to turn them into Millions... on some records you hear the original ingredients and you're only disappointed but in this case going through the originals only makes the final album that much more astounding

― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:52 (sixteen years ago)

damn, thanks, Milton. i am unbelievably psyched that you enjoyed it--and that you burned through it so fast! :D

if you guys don't mind me asking, where did you get your copies? I don't even know if all of them have shipped yet!

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

i chipped in to yr kickstarter tweetbox project bc one of the rewards was a copy. has ur shipley on it in yr own hand, $$$ on ebay in years to come iirc

― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

oh i just read it in pdf? didn't every1 else?

― Big Fate (as Alvin 'Xzibit' Joiner) (history mayne), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:26 (sixteen years ago)

can rapidshare if u need

― Big Fate (as Alvin 'Xzibit' Joiner) (history mayne), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

Oh amazing, xpost! did you get your postcard yet?

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

at 450 or so pp. it's on the thicker side for a 33 1/3 book i think?

450, really? Most of 'em are around 100.

― HOOS zing-steen (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:29 (sixteen years ago)

Oh wait, Amazon sez 144. You must've meant 150.

― HOOS zing-steen (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:29 (sixteen years ago)

Oh, hey, congratulations, Whiney!

― bamcquern, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:30 (sixteen years ago)

:D thx!

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:31 (sixteen years ago)

naw. had a hard time picking a tweet since i didn't follow u thru the year, not sure i even got back to them but i was thinking either liquor store mascot or jerkin w jhawk in the end, some kind of souvenir of 2009 music for me.

damn, yes meant 150 thx for correction

― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:33 (sixteen years ago)

Looking forward to getting this one...!

― You Weaked It! (MaresNest), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:36 (sixteen years ago)

i'm going to check out the record store in Baltimore that usually stocks 33 1/3s and see if they have it -- if they don't, should i make a stink and tell them they should get some copies in?

― the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

i think you should go ham on them, tbh

― i'm so j0rd with the u.S.a (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 14:48 (sixteen years ago)

Oh wait, Amazon sez 144. You must've meant 150.

man I was all excited for this at 450pp but now it's like

http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg

― it's all abt groups, like i was saying in the jerk thread a few days ago (sic), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:41 (sixteen years ago)

who is this guy, valuable old poster?

― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 23:47 (sixteen years ago)

WHINEY YOU HAVE TWO BOOKS

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:03 (sixteen years ago)

BIIIIG UP

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:03 (sixteen years ago)

thx man. big shit poppin, little shit stoppin—and there's more good news this week that I can't share yet!

― dipster purpies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:18 (sixteen years ago)

you're managing an all-puppy chillwave band?

― fuckin' lame, bros (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:23 (sixteen years ago)

toro y aww

― dipster purpies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:33 (sixteen years ago)

Congrats Whiney - so many new and recent 33 1/3 books I want to read but I've sworn off reading any more til I finish my own. Manuscript on the Slint book is due to publisher in a couple weeks and I am gonna crack sometime between now and then.

― scott pgwp (pgwp), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:18 (sixteen years ago)

scott, when's your book due to come out?

― ksh, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:19 (sixteen years ago)

October or November.

― scott pgwp (pgwp), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:23 (sixteen years ago)

awesome!

― ksh, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:24 (sixteen years ago)

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