Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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A search reveals that these volumes have been mentioned all over the place, but have never had a comprehensive thread.

Since last week's compelling Dylanival and the long ILM thread about it, I have been driven back to the Bootlegs 1-3. Slowly working my way through: still only up to 'She's Your Lover Now'. But crikey, that track almost deserves a thread of its own! So thrilling to hear things come together and fall apart, piano hold steady while guitarist stops and starts again; like the 'Keep It With Mine' where the producer tells Bob to keep going.

Other big theme I wanted to raise: Great Unreleased Songs. 'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs? Why did he leave them off LPs in the first place?

So much to say. And I have not heard Vol 7 yet.

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

search: blind willie mctell from volume 3.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like the 'Albert Hall' one very much. I think the tuning up is btter than most albums. I do a 'human beatbox' version of it. I do not like the 1975 one very much, apart from the solo performances. I have hardly listened to 1964 (but it is in my bag). I haven't heard or seen the latest one (but it is in the work DVD box in non-packaged format - maybe I will borrow it to make up for my disappointment at having taken home Rocky II and Car Wash only to find they were region one). I like 1-3, but I do not have it at home at present. I like Every Grain Of Sand better than the 'proper' version, and I like the Blood On The Tracks, erm, tracks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think "She's Your Lover Now" would have been the best song on Blonde on Blonde.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

* We need: more outtakes from the Basement Tapes.

* 1st song on Vol 5/1975 should shut up forever anyone who still thinks "Dylan can't sing"

* "Wallflower" - one of his most underrated songs, David Bromberg's version is great

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

bootleg 1-3 was actually my first exposure to dylan, since i was staying with a dylan fanatic who had just bought it, and i really flipped for it. "she's your lover now" is really fantastic... i also very much liked the really fast version of "it takes a train to laugh..."... the concert bootlegs of "mama you've been on my mind" that i've heard have always been very jaunty; did he ever play it as delicately as he did on that set? lastly, the basement outtake "santa fe" is the one i sing the most, since it's got a great melody and incoherent lyrics

dave k, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

She's Your Lover Now and Blind Willie McTell are the stars of the Bootleg Series 1-3 box set. I'm also really partial to Nobody 'Cept You, an outtake from Planet Waves which would have been the best song on it.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't know people loved 'She's Your Lover Now' so much! I am excited.

I adore that vol 5 version of 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' - track one, even using the phrase 'Rolling Thunder'. Thrills!

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I will isten to it again. I think there might be too many musicians, a la Concert For Bangladesh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

On the Royal Albert Hall bootleg series, I am NOT a fan of the acoustic disc. I find it slow and just kinda overly mannered. The electric disc, however, is some of the best rock and roll ever played.

If you want to hear great acoustic Bob, you can't beat the three songs on Before the Flood: Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Ma and Just Like A Woman. All three are the best versions of those songs, and beat the piss out of the Royal Albert Hall acoustic stuff.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haha yes! Before the Flood is occasionally great

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the bear mountain picnic song gets me everydamntime...

i'm also happy for the recently uprooted love of "shes your lover now". i about break everytime it just quits like that. Vol. 7 proves that the blonde on blonde sessions, though interesting, don't quite pack the punch of the final versions. i can't imagine what would have become of syln. the vol. 2 version is rough, but warm. b o b has a late night frosty glow. it coulda been better or worse.

the vol. 2 version of santa fe is great, better than the genuine basement tape's version....it makes you need to belt along with it.

i've gone on week long binges with each of the live records. Rolling Thunder got me to like "The Hurricane". The "It's Alright Ma" from 1964 brought back the almost crushing power of that song for me. And I still get chills with the 66 version of "Like A Rolling Stone".

all said, i love this series. i think it provides a brilliant look into how grand the dylan universe is.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The '80s stuff on the first Bootleg comp is first-rate. "Blind Willie McTell," "Caribbean Wind," the E Street Band-performed version of "When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky" are some of his greatest songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Don't forget about Biograph:
"And I went back to find Isis just to tell 'er I love ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

re: the 1966 acoustic sets--I beg to differ. Those are among my favorite Dylan recordings of all time. So slow, sad and beautiful. I think Dylan's really digging deep--losing himself completely in the songs. He often sounds so otherworldy and lonely that it's a shock when the applause comes after the songs end. In its own way, I think those sets are just as radical as the electric set (which I also loooooove). And there's some of the wildest harmonica work of the man's career--check out the long excursion he takes at the end of Tambourine Man. I can dig the Before the Flood stuff, but it's a little bit too amped up for my tastes.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As far as acoustic live Dylan goes, I've always loved his vocal on "Just Like a Woman" from Bangladesh. He sings his guts out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

how is that Gaslight performance that was just released?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what i want to know is why "can you please crawl out your window", the glockenspiel version, was never released or used in the doc. it's easily in my top 5 dylan songs--as exuberant as live 65.

naturemorte, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Crikey, yes, Urgent & Key: that was a 45 - but I'm afraid I have never heard it in my life, not that I can remember. What does it sound like?

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I love the 1964 disc (vol 6). Dylan sounds so eager to entertain his audience, as opposed to the bitter stance he took during the next two years (both sides of him were captured so well in the Scorcese doc). He sings his guts out on songs like "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" with power that I didn't know he had in him before I heard this record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?

dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

One night I discovered something totally insane. If you have the DVD disc that came with the Rolling Thunder volume then play Isis. When you see the part when the sweaty guitarist's eyes are all bulging from cocaine and he tries to bite Dylan's left-hand fingers, back it up a bit and play it in slow motion. That whole fucking weird scene played in slo-mo is truly mesmerizing and a bit disturbing.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Joan Baez put out "FA" first I think, and she made it famous.

I've had the the first box for a few years and been meaning to pick up vols. 4-7. Some faves from it that haven't been mentioned much:

Seven Curses (I'm sucker for mystical revenge/stolen virginity/evil lawmen/wronged man folklore stuff)
Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence ("She's turnin' me into an old man/and man, I ain't even 25!")
If Not For You (It's prettier than the official version)
Nobody 'Cept You (Good call kornrulez)
Seven Days (Since i dig this and the rolling thunder biograph tracks, how urgent is it for me to pick up Vol.5? And also is the 1st version w/the dvd worth tracking down?)
Foot of Pride (The homesick blues, nearly 20 years of schoolin' later, and still on the day shift)
Tell Me (Bob can do Pop)

Xpost
thanks for answering my question before I posted it. that sounds cool.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?
dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), October 6th, 2005.

Most notably and beautifully by Rod Stewart.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Another good one from The Bootleg Series box is the demo of Every Grain of Sand, which I prefer to the Shot of Love version...much more intimate without the Bobettes.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Barking dog!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway, and the 2nd disc has a lot of great alternate versions of album tracks, that first disc is very worthwhile; in fact, over the last 5 years, I've probably listened to that first disc more than anything else Dylan-related.

1st Disc Standouts:
"Hard Times in New York Town"
"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)
"Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"
"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"Who Killed Davey Moore?"
"Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" (if for nothing else, those ending lines:

"You'll find God in the church of your choice
You'll find Woody Guthrie in Brooklyn State Hospital

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown"

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.

Taylor, Friday, 7 October 2005 01:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xpost "his publisher made sure": yes, pinefox, his "Mama You Been On My Mind" and a bunch of other demos were sent around by the publisher, so Fairport took "Percy's Song" and others, and the whole Lo & Behold album, by Dean Coulson, McGuiness, Flint, and others, was from publisher's demos, I think, or most of it, anyway. Seems like the Brits jumped on more of the prime goodies than Americans did,initially, although of course Baez did a double-LP of his stuff soon enough (Any Day Now, right?)There were a couple of LPs of demos issued by the old TMQ (Trademark of Quality, with a pig-rubber-stamp as trademark) booters, although mostly they did comps from various sources too (So "Mama" and other demos are with Minnesota apartment tapes, Basement Tapes, Isle of Wight, etc. on the VD Waltz comp; I've never heard a whole album of demos, alas.)In some cases, it was a matter of just having too much stuff, not wanting to flood the market, and/or what he did last month too different from this month's, and this month, it's time for an album! Then in 70s, not wanting the 60s overflow to wash away the later stuff; plus, when he finally did a legit version of Basement Tapes, and it did well, he was surprised:"I thought everybody already had that!" The boots were popular and well-enough known, he prb thought legit issues would increase pressure by being seen as potboilers, at that point, even f they didn't upstage, so either way, they were a problem, until he needed the money and the cred bad enough, and had by that time become enough of a Historical Landmark that the Bootleg Series seemed only right and proper. Thing is, though, hearing the tracks left off the 70s-80s stuff, in favor of some of the crappier items that did make the cut, really show how unsure of himself he can be, for all the Bardic charisma, etc. So, in that respect, the songs of his fabled past are *still* a problem for his sense of credibility, which is why they've been so carefully rationed (still tons of things; it'll be like Hendrix and Trane and Miles issues, only moreso, cause more songs, not just 9000 versions of 900 songs)But basically, questions of judgement/crediblity are part of his history too, not so much of an issue (if he makes another bad album, and he will, big deal, cos the song-suply'll never end, til the world does, and when it does, his stuff will spill over to somewhere:the good, bad, great, and meh;I can see it, the probability of that now, even while this thought ends.)

don, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Regarding "She's Your Lover Now," the Dylan Scrapbook released in conjuction with No Direction Home has a lyric sheet for that tune. I'm not sure if the sheet is made to look authentic, or if it's a replica of the original, but the lyrics end where the song on the second Bootleg disc ends.
I always had the impression that the wheels just fell off, and that the song was meant to be longer.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"you, you just sit around and ask for ashtrays... can't you REACH?"

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It is Don't Look Back that is in the box at the work where we work, not No Direction Home. I watched a couple of minutes last night before deciding that it was best to wait till my karma had reached its optimum level and then watch it.

Listened to some Live 64, did not think much of it really. But I shall persevere.

Crawl Out Your Window is on Biograph, I think, Pinefox. Should you wish, I could copy it for you when I rescue it from "storage". I also have a J. Hendrix version recorded for the BBC Light Programme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah crawl out your window is on biograph but it's a a sub-par version--i'm talking specifically about the glockenspiel version. the one on biograph is a little laid-back, but the glockenspiel version is really energetic and crazy. when he launches into the third chorus he does one of those soulful nasal whines that only dylan can do.

glockenspiel!

naturemorte, Friday, 7 October 2005 07:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)

It's a cover - it's a ridiculously old trad song. A great version is on Harry Smiths' Anthology of American Folk Music.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know the glockenspiel version.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

seconded; amazing song/performance, totally spellbinding

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway

Madness. I can't really say if it's the best disc but it's definitely the one I've listened to most. 'Foot of Pride','Every Grain', 'Blind Willie McT', 'Angelina', 'Seven Days' = throwaway??

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Well, God is in heaven
And we all want what's his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is"

So classsssssic.
Also turned me on to "St James Infirmary", from which the melody is lifted. Checl out Bobby Blue Bland's version if you have the chance.

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

crawl out your window is great, indeed ! (and yeah, the glockenspiel version is best).
it's easily amongst my favorite bob's trax.
guess i'm ready to grab the latest bootleg series now !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I almost started this thread myself after doing a search for it last week! Surprised one did not exist til now, thx for starting.

Vol. 1-3 I heard before a lot of the albums, and it's the thing that made me obsessive about Dylan. Had a 90 cassette of tracks, mostly discs 1 & 2, that I completely wore out that summer and beyond. It started with "Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie". Upon hearing the original version of say "If Not For You" without the "Ready George?" and a certain wobbly reckless energy of a lot of the tracks on 1-3, the originals sounded rather polished or staid. "Santa Fe" is another good example. Even "Idiot Wind" at the end of Vol. 2 is more biting and mean than the album vers.

Vol. 4 opened my eyes in a big way to the pre-'66 material, as I'm sure it did for a lot of people. I actually prefer disc 1, particularly the devestatingly sad "Desolation Row" and Dylan's expressive harp playing thoughout. Almost like he's testing the audience with his harp playing, similar in aggression to part 2 "Play it fucking loud". I find the guitar playing on disc 1 tattered, like he means it, it all fits the mood nicely.

Vol. 5 I bought when it came out and only listened a handful of times. Need to return to it. I remember it sounding very punk rock, though.

Vol. 6 is the 1964 disc, right? Never bought that.

Vol. 7 don't have yet.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

about she's your lover now--i thought the scrapbook lyrics sheet was weird too--because there IS a last verse. He sings it on the solo piano outtake of the song--which has yet to see official release. anyone who loves that song oughtta seek it out, though. it's incredible--extremely slow and wasted-sounding. with the release of the latest bootleg series, this is probably the major remaining outtake to remain officially unreleased.

but anyway, i love the bootleg series' one and all, but part of me wishes that Dylan (or Columbia) would do like Elvis Costello and just reissue the albums each with a bonus disc of outtakes/live stuff/etc. Of course they just did that big SACD reissue series a few years ago, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Seek out: Lou Reed's cover of "Foot of Pride."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ah, there are two ways of doing this: a "Bootleg" series, and 'extra disc'..

The fall reissues have an extra disc, but as they mostly have Peel sessions, they are pointless if you have that "Ah, the Fall Peel Sessions box set, you guys" set.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

curious about that she's your lover now piano outtake...
there's another "song" i've been wondering about : it's a tune he plays on accoustic guitar at the end of "eat the document".
is this a proper song ? a demo ? a cover ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that's "i can't leave her behind". as far as i know, that's the only recording of the song. but it's amazing--vocally one of Dylan's most tender moments. You can get an mp3 of that (and the she's your lover now outtake and a whole bunch more) at http://members.aol.com/eggrert1/mp3.html.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, his singing, the melody, the guitar playing... beautiful indeed. so it's a song of his, then ? incredible that didn't get released !?
anyway, thanks !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I am still working my way through 1-3 in order. Slowly. I am now halfway through 'You Changed My Life'.

Latest discoveries:

'Tangled Up In Blue' - a centrepiece of the set to me when I first heard it - is it in E, and the LP version in G?

'Call Letter Blues' is doing more for me than before: some poignancy in the words.

I have never loved 'Idiot Wind' but am now impressed by the relative tenderness of this (NYC?) version as vs the LP.

The bootleg 'If You See Her' is a lot better than the LP's, surely.

Is 'Golden Loom' the first time Bob and Emmylou H sang together? Assuming it's her.

It's funny how that is country, then 'Catfish' is blues. I have always thought 'Catfish' kind of unimportant, but actually I like the depth of its sound, the reverb around those slides and harmonicas.

Is the barking dog the reason that this 'Every Grain of Sand' was not used? I like this song a lot considering that it's religious.

The whole set is an amazing way to take a rapid-fire time-tour through Dylan's career, hearing the flavour of one year (those Desirous violins) for a track or two before the next sound comes along.

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

BluSpec For the Tracks

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Japan is cool, b/c physical media has remained popular there, so Sony etc. have continued to "improve" CDs into the 2000s (I put "improve" in quotes, b/c I don't know if it's actually an improvement or not... I bet it is, though!)

greta van vliet (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 23:30 (one month ago) Permalink

@aquadrunkard Basically the Only Good Dylan Album is the #BluSpec CD of Street Legal, by tylerw

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:24 (one month ago) Permalink

#SpecLegal

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:56 (one month ago) Permalink

#GottaSpecSomebody

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 01:14 (one month ago) Permalink

great work itt everybody, appreciate it

niels, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 10:27 (one month ago) Permalink

are all those tracks on the set though? could you just make a playlist

― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

everything's been remixed, so you're not getting the OG BOTT on the new set. #OGBOTT

― tylerw, Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, I don’t mean to come across insane. I just wanted an inexpensive way to hear the original album without having to buy the entire set and create a playlist I can’t hear in the car.

Though, Tyler, your article mentioned that Paul Griffin’s organ is now low in the mix, which is a crime.

Andrew "Hit Dice" Clay (PBKR), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:30 (one month ago) Permalink

don't think i say it's low in the mix? it's just differently mixed from the acetate version I've known forever, and maybe to its detriment.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:01 (one month ago) Permalink

nice -- didn't realize til recently that a lot of the same guys played on Kottke's Dreams and All That Other Stuff and various Cat Stevens recordings.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

that is cool! they were usually framed as a sub-par band iirc

niels, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:56 (one month ago) Permalink

this is so weird, like it's hard for me to judge other version of stuff like "tangled up in blue" where so much of the phrasing etc of the released in burned into my brain

really like "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go (Take 5)" very nice low key groove

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 November 2018 16:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Kinda like it’s written in your soul, huh?

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 16:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Just bought the one disc version. Couldn't bring myself to spring for the full monty. Look forward to listening later

Duke, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

a lot of the same guys played on... and various Cat Stevens recordings

interesting! Cat Stevens has always seemed weirdly isolated from the rest of the industry to me, like I look at the credits on those records and don't recognize a single name.

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:23 (one month ago) Permalink

The guitar on Simple Twist..

Duke, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:50 (one month ago) Permalink

The switch to first-person for the final version of "TUiB" sure was critical; not to mention some of the other lyric changes, and picking up the tempo from this sleepy strum...

greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 21:45 (one month ago) Permalink

(I mean, the first-person comes back in later, but the perspective works a lot better in the final version, IMO)

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 21:47 (one month ago) Permalink

i dunno, i like the love triangle aspect of the original tangled. it's more tangled!
the chime 'n' jangle of the Minnesota version is great though.

tylerw, Friday, 2 November 2018 22:08 (one month ago) Permalink

On another note, I've always f-n' loved this verse:

Oh, the only decent thing I did when I worked as a postal clerk
Was to haul your picture down off the wall near the cage where I used to work
Was I a fool or not to try to protect your identity?
You looked a little burned out, my friend, I thought it might be up to me

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 22:15 (one month ago) Permalink

that whole song is pretty amazing — any other songwriter would kill for it, and he didn't even release it for a decade.

Everything went from bad to worse
Money never changed a thing
Death kept followin', trackin' us down
At least I heard your bluebird sing
Now somebody's got to show their hand
Time is an enemy
I know you're long gone
I guess it must be up to me

tylerw, Friday, 2 November 2018 22:27 (one month ago) Permalink

also, this new set lets me say things like "i love the little riff dylan plays on take 2 (remake) of 'Up To Me,' which isn't present on other takes"

tylerw, Friday, 2 November 2018 22:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Say away Tyler!

I'm very happy with the one disc version. It's so much clearer than the bootlegs I've owned

Duke, Friday, 2 November 2018 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

"hunted like a crocodile, ravaged in the corn" -- sounds like a typical Friday night, amirite?

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 23:26 (one month ago) Permalink

(I didn't dig the first two tracks on this disc very much at all, but some of these later takes are great.)

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 23:27 (one month ago) Permalink

Is this take of "Idiot Wind" the same as was on a previous Bootleg Series release? I recognize the way he stumbles over "...wasn't enough to change my heart".

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 2 November 2018 23:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah I believe that's the take that was on the original 3 lp biograph set

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 November 2018 04:48 (one month ago) Permalink

I’m not up on this topic (which was discussed above), but here’s what a Billboard article says(?):

It’s easy to forget that some of our ‘60s and ‘70s rock heroes’ records aren’t actually in Western tonality. In those days, it was common practice to speed up studio recordings to give them a little extra zest, and Blood on the Tracks is no exception. According to the liner notes, Dylan specifically asked Ramon to fudge the pitch and tempo for the radio and record market. That’s not the case on More Tracks; for the diehards, this is how this music really sounded as it was played.

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Saturday, 3 November 2018 14:29 (one month ago) Permalink

The is the first time I’ve been seriously tempted to buy the big, honkin’ version of one of these sets... somehow I feel like getting lost in all these takes. (And this isn’t even my favorite Dylan album or anything!)

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Saturday, 3 November 2018 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Hmm, ppl on Amazon are complaining that the booklet has a printing error (4 pgs. missing from the notebook reproduction); and also doesn’t have the “AutoRip” feature, like the previous sets.

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Saturday, 3 November 2018 14:43 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm loving the sampler

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 3 November 2018 15:46 (one month ago) Permalink

what an absurdly good collection of songs

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 3 November 2018 15:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Sounds amazing. My bootleg was a vinyl rip, so the clarity here is revelatory

Duke, Saturday, 3 November 2018 19:28 (one month ago) Permalink

really like "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go (Take 5)" very nice low key groove
this was the standout for me on first listen

niels, Sunday, 4 November 2018 11:42 (one month ago) Permalink

gave the set a listen yesterday. can't say my attention was full-on all the way and I admit to skipping the lily rosemary takes, but man there are some good recordings in there and tylerw is v otm here:

Blood on the Tracks is often thought of as one of the songwriter’s most personal works, but listening to him work out songs like “Idiot Wind,” I’m struck by his single-mindedness and overall intention; this isn’t autobiography, it’s art. He’s trying out different voices, phrasing and lyrics, all in the effort to get the heart of the composition across clearly to the listener. There may be real-life conflict behind the album, but Bob doesn’t just want to bare his soul. He wants to tell stories.

niels, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 09:39 (one month ago) Permalink

see they've posted a few videos too, I think I had a dvd with the full set this is from, nothing revelatory but nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8GB8gnRj1A

niels, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 18:28 (one month ago) Permalink

He looks rough in that video

Duke, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

oh this is cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23JF5fTl1_U

Number None, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

live version of the album, mostly from 75-76

Number None, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 20:41 (one month ago) Permalink

He looks rough in that video

idk I kinda love the striped pants + prom shirt look

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 20:42 (one month ago) Permalink

It's not so much the outfit - more the bags under his eyes, sweaty face etc. He looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.

Duke, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:16 (one month ago) Permalink

His munificence may have been engorged with snow, at this point

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:31 (one month ago) Permalink

. . .yeah, those Minnesota winters, BOY!

Anyway, finally got the Blood on the Tracks "Bootleg Series" today (just the single disc version; I's po`) and it's as great as my expectations had in mind. What took them so friggin` long?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 04:20 (one month ago) Permalink

If you don't want to invest in the entire set, do what I did and download the 10 key tracks scattered throughout the 6-CD set. They're identified in this New Yorker article (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/bob-dylans-masterpiece-is-still-hard-to-find) thusly:

To assemble the original “Blood on the Tracks” from the eighty-seven takes on “More Blood, More Tracks,” select tracks 69 (CD 5, No. 3), 71 (CD 5, No. 5), 34 (CD 3, No. 3), 76 (CD 5, No. 10), 48 (CD 4, No. 2), 16 (CD 2, No. 5), 11 (CD 1, No. 11), 59 (CD 4, No. 13), 46 (CD 3, No. 15), and 58 (CD 4, No. 12).

Jazzbo, Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Download from where?

verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:55 (one month ago) Permalink

The internet.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 15 November 2018 15:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Is that the original track sequence?

Duke, Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:20 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't quite get this fetishization around the "original" (NYC) album, but then I've never heard it.

From that New Yorker piece:

Many Dylanists will disagree with me -- the second “Blood” has eloquent defenders

Uh, ya think? Weird understatement. (It's like his most highly rated album.)

verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean an album's not an album until it's released, right? The way Ross refers to the LP we all know as the "revised" version, in contrast to the (supposedly superior) "original," feels a bit precious.

verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:28 (one month ago) Permalink

I kinda stopped reading around this weird hyperbole:

It is a ten-song study in romantic devastation, as beautiful as it is bleak, worthy of comparison with Schubert’s “Winterreise.”

niels, Friday, 16 November 2018 08:48 (one month ago) Permalink


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