Is Supreme Clientele a grower?

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I'm a big fan of Wu-Tang and related-projects, but this just isn't doing it for me the first time around.

― Mike Svoboda, Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

It seems like heresy to say so, but it's never been my favorite either. Maybe like my 10th favorite Wu-related album, at best.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Luvs it. But, I loved it right away. So maybe it's just not for you. Worth it just for "Nutmeg" tho, surely?

― Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Ironman's the grower

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Ironman's better, yeah. This is good, but not gritty enough.

― paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Supreme Clientele is a grower. Got it when it came out and up until not even a year ago I was pretty meh on most of it and said so somewhere on ILM. I went back to listen after that discussion since I hadn't in a while and had only ever given it a few listens anyway and damn if it didn't blow me away. I honestly don't know what I was thinking.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 15 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Obv. this depends on the person. I'm hardly one to spite early wu-jockers but really how can you say early ghost >>> mid-late ghost?

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Ghostface right now--meaning 21st century--is unassailable. to me anyway. he's on that new Dangerdoom LP for one cut and when he shows up he just flattens everything around him.

― gear (gear), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

btw, is anyone going to catch him on tour this month? i really want to go but i hate having to buy shit through ticketmaster, lousy thieves, grumble mumble...

― amon (eman), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

Ghostface and Theodore Unit
Oct 03: Farmingdale, NY @ The Downtown
Oct 04: New Haven, CT @ Toads Place
Oct 05: Providence, CT @ Lupos at the Strand
Oct 08: Burlington, VT @ Hugher Ground
Oct 09: New York, NY@ BB Kings
Oct 11: Buffalo, NY@ Icon
Oct 12: Ann Arbor, MI @ The Blind Pig
Oct 13: Bloomington, IN @ Bluebird Theater
Oct 14: Chicago, IL @ Joe's Pub
Oct 15: Urbana, IL @ Canopy Club
Oct 16: Minneapolis, MN @ First Avenue
Oct 18: Boulder, CO @ Fox Theather
Oct 22: Austin, TX @ EMO's
Oct 25: Asheville, NC @ Orange Peel
Oct 26: Carrboro, NC @ Carls Cradle
Oct 27: Baltimore, MD @ Sonar
Oct 28: Philadelphia, PA @ TLA

― amon (eman), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

Ironman is Pop as fuck, a lot of its greatness is there from the first listen. Supreme Clientele is a lot denser and less hooky, and I think it needs a few listens. But it's that density that makes it more satisfying in the end, plus it feels like a more complete entity whereas Ironman is a bunch of great tracks thrown together. I reckon SC is a big leap in Wu-affiliated albums, which might be cos RZA's not on it so much even though the non-RZA productions still feel like he's overseeing them. Persevere, def'nitely.

― Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

supreme clientele is a SHOWER (rhymes with grower, not glower)

― petesmith (plsmith), Sunday, 16 October 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

a shower AND a grower - a huge cock of an album.

― petesmith (plsmith), Sunday, 16 October 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

I really don't know what to say, after that. but I agree.

― haitch (haitch), Sunday, 16 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

SC is the best wu-related solo album, in my opinion...I think the genius of it was that, although there were a ton of guest producers, RZA and Ghost oversaw the whole project and were able to blend it together so smoothly that everything fits into place (even the jagged, record-skipping track)...I don't think these songs would sound proper outside of the album, and its definetely one that needs to be digested whole...Ironman is less satisfying, Pretty Toney comes close, but this is the masterpiece

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 16 October 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

liquid swords, cuban linx and heavy mental are all superior

― rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 16 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

i think it's a great album, but i liked it pretty much immediately, so i dunno if i'd call it a grower.

its pretty breathless, and all forward momentum, which may not be to everyone's tastes.

if you're looking for a few particular standouts as a way of reeling you in, focus on "childsplay", "cherchez la ghost" and "stroke of death"

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 16 October 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

loved it first time around, that first track!

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

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