When did punk die?

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For those who are more knowledgable on the subject than I: when did punk "die"? By punk I'm referring more to the first wave of punk type stuff that was somewhat original, exciting, provacative yadda yadda. Oh, and why did it die?

― buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

It died when the internet was invented.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Al Gore hated punk.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Um punk was never popular so it could not of died when it never actually lived. If in fact it did live, it would cease to be punk and therefore still would never have the chance to have died.

― Wiley Tim, Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.rockyourbaby.com/images/punks-not-dead.gif

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

QUESTION REPHRASE: When people make the argument that punk died around 1980, how do they justify their position that it died around that particular time?

― buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

That was when Reagan sold out and won the Presidency. Up until then, he was just, like, into drinkin' gettin' laid, and rebelling against arena rock.

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 16 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

DOA M$%#%F@#^A!!!!!!!!

― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Why does it matter? Who cares? It lived, it died get over it. 2005 and we're still asking this bleedin' question again and again... and again?! Jeesz.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

It died the moment you started this thread.

― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Punk rock was positioned by most people as a cultural trend in opposition to the authority, whatever that might have meant to various people. But as people come around to seeing punk rock itself as a cultural authority, the appeal of punk sort of falls apart. Punk has been dying from the day it was first created, and it will continue to die until its forgot about.

Now, the sooner we stop asking questions like this, the sooner we can get back to discussing when exactly hot jazz sold out and why Intellegent Minimal Bluegrass is really white kids stealing teh hits from the black kids.

― Rhodia (Rhodia), Sunday, 16 October 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

_punk brewster_

http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/soleil_moon_frye/soleil_moon_frye_l4.jpg

― chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 16 October 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

17th December 1977

― Bob666, Sunday, 16 October 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Ask Vale & Juno.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 16 October 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

It's dangerous to even try to answer this, but I think it has something to do with the Silver Jews lyric "punk rock died when the first kid said 'punk's not dead... punk's not dead.'" At least insofar as punk reaching some point where punk was so fully commodified/sloganized as to appear as politically impotent, a grotesque. Of course, that's using 'punk' in a pretty narrow way, of course; itself an un-punk gesture, right?

― mike powell (mike powell), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

It died with D. Boon - Dec. 22, 1985.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Punky Brewster is hot now!!! Punk lives on in hotness!!!

― Peter Sneakkk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

First wave of Punk was probably in the cold, cold ground by `78.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

January 14, 1977

― tricky (disco stu), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

Punk's not dead. It's just face down and we're kicking it.

― js (honestengine), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

17th December 1977

This is an interesting date -- the Sex Pistols were originally booked to play Saturday Night Live that night, but instead they went to tour Holland. In their place was Elvis Costello. The producers forbid him to play "Radio Radio," presumably because the lyrics might offend the network. First song he played was "Wathing the Detectives." The second time he started with "Less Than Zero," but halfway into the first verse stopped, and tore into "Radio Radio." That was pretty punk.

One could say 1980 was when the majority of "punk" bands adhered to a particular sound as if punk were a style rather than an idea and subculture (while original punks The Damned, Clash, Stranglers, etc. evolved their sound to the point where some people didn't consider it punk). In this form, punk undeniably lives as basically the latest form of folk music. Like folk, country and the twelve bar blues, it's easy to identify and relatively simple to play. I don't really see anything wrong with that.

Meanwhile, I think real punk spirit lurks among us still. It's just not so easy to spot, as it adheres to no dress code or style guide.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 17 October 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Well put, BRAVO Fastnbulbous! Close topic now please!

http://www.menalto.com/albums/harkins/2004_01_25_003.sized.jpg

― Chris Farrlay, Monday, 17 October 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't know for sure, but I bet this guy does! My guesse is that is didn't die, it just faded away.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38623000/jpg/_38623611_punk_150.jpg

― Syd Gentle, Monday, 17 October 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.alyon.org/generale/theatre/cinema/affiches_cinema/t/the_th-tin/the_year_punk_broke.jpg

― viborgu, Monday, 17 October 2005 05:41 (twenty years ago)

Gumball killed punk.

― js (honestengine), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.virginmusic.de/images/cover/150/0077778747529.jpg

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

when Howard Devoto left the Buzzcocks.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

when Warsaw became Joy Division

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

3 standard post-punkers answers.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 17 October 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

When Stewart Osborne got a steady job.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 17 October 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

EITHER when ATV released "How Much Longer", OR when Sham 69 appeared on the last cover of Sniffin' Glue, OR the day that Never Mind The Bollocks came out.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 17 October 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

OR When Wattie from the Exploited won a karaoke evening with Huey Lewis' "Doing it all for my baby"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 October 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

thursday

― retrogurl, Monday, 17 October 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

the exploited released "punks not dead" in 1981 right?
so they were already getting defensive around then........

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

" oo sed that? A mod or a ted?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

from an interview with ex-Ant/Wide Boy Awake-er Kevin Mooney:

What would you say was the last year for punk?

1978

There you have it.

http://www.geocities.com/antliberationfront/features/mooney.html

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

TS: People who Say Punk Died When the `Pistols put out an LP vs. People who say Punk's Still Alive in `05

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

punk's still alive!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

"When Stewart Osborne got a steady job."

It was a long time before that!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

It's dangerous to even try to answer this, but I think it has something to do with the Silver Jews lyric "punk rock died when the first kid said 'punk's not dead... punk's not dead.'"

I agree with that, but this argument has been going on for years, and will continue to go, and I agree with the fact that we can see punk spirit in some people, but the posers make people confused, they dont understand that punk, sure they did wear shocking clothes, but thats not what they were all about, it was rebelling against authority, etc etc, you cant just tell by looking at someone if theyre punk, i mean sometimes sure, but now, not really, the posers have turned punk into a fashion which isnt what its about, or ever was about, i think it died the second it was glamourized.

― Siobhan Milner, Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

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