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Did anyone else read their review of the new Kate Bush album?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,13875,1590547,00.html

They gave it 5 stars (out of five), yet only reviewed one of the 2 CD's (presumably because that's all Journalists were allowed to listen to). There was hardly any mention of there being a 2nd CD, and it also pointed out that there were 'weaknesses' to the CD that was heard.

My point is this:
1.) How can an album (or indeed anything reviewed) get a top rating if it has 'weaknesses'

2.) How can the OMM or whomever has written the review expect to be taken seriously when they've obviously only heard 1/2 an album yet not made that entirely clear in the review and given it full marks

(BTW I couldn't care less about either the OMM or Kate Bush, reading it just annoyed me)

AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

its like their review of the new kanye west album - they reviewed the actual listening party, rather than the actual music itself. there was hardly a mention of the songs in that review at all. mags will do anything to get an exclusive.

okok, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

there are threads on both KB and the OMM, but the answer is it's the fucking OMM and it's fucking jason cowley, so what do you expect?

N_RQ, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Fair enough,
I wasn't trying to make out I was suprised or anything, it just really fucked me off as to how blatently the review was of only 1/2 of the album, yet it was never explicitly mentioned

AlfieNoakes, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

The half an album thing they should have come clean about.

"Weaknesses" tho needn't prevent a top mark. If the flaws in something don't actually impact on the things that make it amazing, and the amazing things are amazing enough, then sure it's '5 stars'. Top marks need not mean flawless - anyway a 5-point scale is tiny, surely it should mean "in the 81st-100th percentile of records"!

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

its like their review of the new kanye west album - they reviewed the actual listening party, rather than the actual music itself. there was hardly a mention of the songs in that review at all. mags will do anything to get an exclusive.

this is getting to be a big problem for magazines, with labels refusing to furnish promos of albums until release dates (way past print deadlines) and offering playbacks instead. but many of the listening-party versions of albums i've reviewed have differed to the finished album, in terms of extra tracks and different takes...

foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

At my old place, we were told to five star anything that we imagined might be "one of the ten best albums/films/etc" of the year, regardless of whether it actually "deserved" five. So there you go. Anyway, Roger Ebert's the only person who uses a useful star system (because he makes up the rules as he goes along.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to be at an awards dinner with several members of OMM staff (i assume: they might not turn up, of course) next month. if ILMers pay me enough cash, i'll kick off at them about their magazine :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

i dont think reviews matter any more though, lets be real, people are jaded - i dont know the last time i really paid attention to a mag review. im more likely to go on the net and hit a message board or somewhere similar to gauge what an album is like. most music mag reviews these days are so predictable, safe, and/or filled with blatant PR puffery, i dont trust them anymore. it seems like most reviewers dont even know to review music anymore, or are simply just on the payroll or have been told what to write. the review of the new franz album in the nme was just pitiful.

anyway, the omm gave the kings of leon album 5/5 too. so that shows you how stringent they are with ratings. i thought 5/5 should be damn near unattainable, not given out a couple of times a year.

okoko, Monday, 17 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)


The OMM after a promising start has just evolved into Q magazine by any other name!

reverend merrick, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Bad music writing in the broadsheets!!! PANIC!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

TBH what the OMM has been MORE guilty of is giving non-feature albums a uniform three stars across the board no matter how much the writers rave over them. Because the non-feature albums tend to be the preverse of specialists you're likely to get more positive reviews which then get the compulsory 3-star rating to preserve the 'objectivity' of the rating system, which is idiotic. So you'd get reviews of jazz, world, reggae, country etc etc which would read "A beautiful album, best of his career so far, amazing playing and songs blah blah SORRY THREE STARS FUCKERS we have to make the top mark 'special' for Kate n Franz"

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Q is very funny with its 5-stars-must-be-rare edict, they virtually had to issue a public apology for giving 5 to Daft Punk!

Basically the point of the OMM is to have something to grumble at over your kippers, though.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

stars are crap anyway, marks out of ten at least allow for half marks (do the OMM allow for half-stars? i dunno). the ive always wanted to know - do labels buy the 'big review of the month' space each issue? is the space only ever open to major label, hype heavy, big names? actually every mag does this now dont they - you can bet on franz, strokes, white stripes, coldplay etc etc all getting great reviews no matter what they do.

okokok, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

should be a percentage out of 100 i.e. the percentage being equivalent to the number of good tracks

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

That is the method Heat! magazine uses Stevem and I've always liked it a lot.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

That's bizarre Tom, about Q, cos the same year they gave 5 to SEMISONIC!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I think the same 'editor's letter' was a bit sheepish about Semisonic too to be fair, but it did say most of the complaints had been about Discovery.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I will never forget them giving 5 stars to Simple Minds Streetfighting years, and I still to this day remember the quote that ended the review:
'Quietly, gently even, a Landmark arrives'
This was at the time when I still trused Q reviews, and of course I bought it.....

actionjackson, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Percentages are for 1990's computer games mags.

Doozer, Monday, 17 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

1.) How can an album (or indeed anything reviewed) get a top rating if it has 'weaknesses'

because every album has weaknesses.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Q is very funny with its 5-stars-must-be-rare edict, they virtually had to issue a public apology for giving 5 to Daft Punk!

Basically the point of the OMM is to have something to grumble at over your kippers, though.

Heh, I once brought this up with a Q bod, wondering why the Os Mutantes best of only got 3 stars. I didn't expect it to get 5 but 3?
His response was, yeah, but would you want every Q reader to hear it?
YES! I replied.
As the Q review style guide urges you not to hand out 5 stars willy nilly, it does make you wonder why they gave Semisonic 5 stars. I remember one issue from around 95-96 where, obviously sensing they'd been a little parsimonious in the past, they went batshit crazy and gave 5 stars to Van Morrison, Therapy? and Ali Campbell from UB40.
All that "not for everyone but good within its field" thing condemns anything that isn't mainstream pop rock to 3 stars.


Stew (stew s), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

as i've said a billion times before you only need two star ratings...five stars or no stars. either it's worth spending money on or it isn't.

time out has recently instituted a six-star rating system. six stars not to be given except in once-in-a-lifetime-type cases. we'll see how long that lasts. i gave sugababes five stars with the aim of testing this system immediately.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Q magazine apologising to their readers for liking dance music lol when will the bnp be buying up ad space in there then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

what if an album is worth downloading/hearing but not buying?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

same applies. it's worth spending time and effort on to download or it isn't.

i note that rachel stevens doesn't even get a full review in this month's omm.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

i've never in my brief career had to give stars and i don't see how you seriously could. iirc the sunday times gives you ratings like 'wait for the dvd' and 'wait for it to come on tv', which is funny. ie, "pass me my 2007 diary, i think i'll want to watch 'domino'".
i am surprised that q did give 'discovery' five stars, though -- who was it?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

probably someone who doesn't work there any more.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

god the shit i gave four and five stars to when i was on uncut...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

lots of mags have a 'what tracks to d/l' bit which i think is realistic. if an lp has 3 good tracks, you can d/l them for less than it'd cost to buy a single. and lots of lps are like that.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

actually even the word "download" just makes me wish there'd been a nuclear holocaust in 1986.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Marking schemes are a really good way to provoke comment tho - there is no way my Popular blog would ever get as many comments as it does if people didn't care about me giving something a 7 when I only gave something else a 6. I bet 90% of OMM and Q's mailbags are people complaining about star ratings. Whether one should encourage those kind of comments is a good question tho!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

I haven't bought OMM (or the Observer, for that matter) in months. I haven't enjoyed it much when I have read it. It was no worse than "Q" or "Uncut", but I don't like those much either. It's all a bit boring and "mature", in the worst sense of the word. I agree with Marcello about the rating thing.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm against the wave perhaps in that I really don't like albums or films or other artefacts being subject to such a binary verdict (C/D!), when so many of them have a great bit here and a terrible bit there. It seems a really ineffective way of adjudication.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

Morley's column was pretty good this month, actually - some pertinent things to say about the Paul Anka album (even if I don't agree that it's a "joke") and he has rightfully bigged up the great Petra Haden Sings The Who Sell Out album.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

I think I have only ever given two 5 stars - one for 'Anniemal', and one as a collective score for the first 4 Brian Eno vocal albums. I was disappointed that there were no letters about the Annie score.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

No-one heard it so couldn't comment JtN :/

I don't mind the Stylus report card style. Pitchfork's system is just percentages decimalised, and would be tolerable if their descriptions for each level weren't so lame (what is the point of trying to put out the difference between 6.0-6.4 and 6.5-6.9???)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

A new Kate Bush album gets a bad review - what are the chances of that happening?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

er, quite good?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

If it's anything like that first single (and that video!), it'll be getting a bad review from me.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't possibly comment.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

diud u have 2 sign something to that effect?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Most of my "five star" Uncut reviews were three or four star leads with extra stars added by the reviews editor of the day. Conversely, most of the albums I reviewed which I honestly felt did merit five stars (and apart from reissues, there weren't that many, if any) always had one or two stars subtracted by the reviews editor of the day.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

"Quite good" if we lived in a world where major artists on major labels were reviewed honestly

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

Kate Bush is probably seen by many as safe to slate though. It's not as if the Rolling Stones or Bowie were getting good reviews throughout the 90s is it (you could read between the lines if not hear the ear-bleeding obvious at least)?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

Mind you she's not gonna sell out a world tour now like they did even then (regardless of bad reviews).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

In fact the Stones and Bowie routinely got rave reviews for everything they put out in the '90s in the glossies in terms of Stunning Return To Form Following The Disappointing Previous Album Which We Also Gave Five Stars so no change there then.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Kate Bush is especially "safe to slate". The "Stunning Return To Form Following The Disappointing Previous Album Which We Also Gave Five Stars" thing sounds more like Dylan and Neil Young (and Lou Reed) to me.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I blame Christgau.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

Respectable cult artists like Dylan and Kate Bush have entire armies of apologists willing to do their record company's bidding for them

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I enjoyed reading Marcello's review of OMM far more than I enjoyed reading OMM. I think I might get that Amerie album today! Poss. also that MES/Mouse on Mars collab. if I can find it.

byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

The letters about the Iron Maiden article in the previous issue were ok.

byebyepride, Monday, 21 May 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

they gave the new dizzee album 5/5. something is not right. apart from the XL-OMM synergy i mean.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I have never read OMM

The Twisted Pollstarter, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

they'll balance it out by giving Kala 1

blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

titchy the dizzee album is v good!

lex pretend, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?

braveclub, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

lex plz give me a copy!

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

None of your business (xpost).

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

"What's the point in reading and reviewing in depth a publication you have never enjoyed?"

see also: ILX :-(

Alan, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

good question braveclub

blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

i guess (maybe?) MC's point is that OMM *should* be readable and enjoyable

if so, its a good point, difficult to argue. but somehow...i dont feel it. it would take a lot for me to want to read something like the OMM, though it would be nice if it were better

696, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

And much less like Saga Radio attempting to rock.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

ffs, Schoenberg's 12-tone works actually have too much feeling within.

Maxwell Davies lecture ws a bit LOLz but what I've heard of his stuff for the Fires of London ensemble in the mid-70s is white-hot fury but also quite funny, better than anything the ppl in that list have written.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 May 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

April 2007:
"'Earth Intruders' is pretty good, too, its martial robo-stomp lent much-needed soul by experimental Congolese band Konono No 1 (no, me neither)."
(Bjork, Volta review, Craig Mclean)

July 2008:
"A gorgeous cover of Fleetwood Mac's 'Over & Over' (no, me neither)"
(Primal Scream, Beautiful future review, Caspar Llewellyn Smith)

Are these just examples of stunning ignorance, or is there some running gag that I've missed? I don't even know what he's trying to say in the second one.

ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:58 (seventeen years ago)

No, me neither.

NickB, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

Now, alas, with Malc's departure, we're left with Jason 'J' Brown, 'formerly of the boy band Five' it says here (no, me neither); and... former Catatonia singer Cerys Matthews. (Casper Llewellyn Smith, November 2007)

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

'no, me neither' is nearly as bad as '(x), anyone?'

blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:12 (seventeen years ago)

"Heroes of rock like Farnham (no, me neither)" James Anthony, Guardian blog, March 2007 (having already mentioned Farnham twice so it doesn't even make sense)

"Dutch fashion label B-Young (no, me neither)" Tim Lusher, Guardian blog, Sept 2004

Looks like Caspar's just taking the piss though.

ledge, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

For some reason (no, me neither) sounds about 8million times less smug when referring to Dutch fashion labels rather than African musicians. By all rights it shouldn't.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)

you need to stop hanging out with the lex

blueski, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

PRIMAL SCREAM Beautiful Future (B-Unique) £11.99 *****

No, me neither. Worst album I've heard all year.

mike t-diva, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

With OMM "writers," Paul Weller's song "Empty Ring" comes to mind.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:39 (seventeen years ago)

omm is all albums: FIVE STARS. because music is a must have lifestyle accessory.

schlump, Monday, 14 July 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

eleven months pass...

MIKA on the cover w/ the strapline "pop's next superstar" WTFFFFFFF is this a real thing?

if you're a pizza-loving New Yorker, it was pretty hilarious. (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 14 June 2009 12:48 (seventeen years ago)

smells of payola. on what planet is mika a significant recording artist in 2009? the whole article is written like a giddy PR release: "it's worth saying, Mike is VERY strange" oh come on

NI, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

Spectactularly unreadable on Sunday actually. An article about session musicians, woo.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

Just googled to find this piece online and erroneously clicked on a 49-page thread about the article at mikafanclub.com :/

DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

nothing wrong with articles about session musicians as long as they are interesting and well written; unfortunately this was neither.

given that mika had a number one album and single in 2007 and has new stuff coming out you have to grit your teeth and deal with the fact that omm readers will be interested in him.

but then omm isn't really "our" universe is it? it's written by old people for old people (hmmm...), it is what it is, we're never going to get on there. maybe i'm just mellowing out of late but really there are bigger fish to fry. not a coin flip, just moving on.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

It can on occasions still be worth reading - not last month though. I'm sort of glad it's there even when I don't care about it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:50 (seventeen years ago)

Did any of youse get "Sleeve Notes" in yr inbox today?

Basically, a 'digest' of Guard/Obvser Music columns via Tim Jonze....

Mark G, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)

to be fair i didn't know about the major lazer album and i was intrigued by mulholland's review.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:52 (seventeen years ago)

If Mika is actually going to go above and beyond his first-album status, which was some way short of 'pop superstar', when a new thing comes out, then fine... OMM just seems to be out there on a limb with that one is all

DJ MARTIAN IS A KING AMONG MEN. Dan Perry, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:59 (seventeen years ago)

this mag seems more and more pointless. the reviews are so tame.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

i've seen some pretty scathing three star reviews in this

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 15:35 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

So there hasn't been an OMM since last month. In fact, there hasn't been any monthly supplements in The Observer recently, after all those stories about closure and cost-cutting started going around. RIP?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 15 August 2009 23:27 (sixteen years ago)

I'm sure I read that the all the various monthly magazines had been put on hold during August due to some rubbish about people going on summer holidays and therefore not having time to sit around reading on the weekend, and not at all to do with the fact the Observer's head of magazines has left to join The Times?

James Mitchell, Sunday, 16 August 2009 05:54 (sixteen years ago)

Am pretty sure the next food mag is due for mid-september.

(didn't like the way popstars were shoe-horned into today's gardening special).

djh, Sunday, 16 August 2009 20:15 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

RIP: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/10/observer-sections-redesign

Stevie T, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:07 (sixteen years ago)

I have to say I never really rated The Observer Music Monthly; I disagreed with their opinion an awful lot. But what I did like was it was probably the best coverage a national paper was offering, and the writing often was of a great standard, I just happened to disagree a lot.

Its another sad blow for British music journalism.

Josh L, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)

It had a lot wrong with it but what doesn't i guess. The first press piece ever written about Xenomania was in the Observer Music Monthly, well certainly the first proper long article. Must have been a good 5 years ago now. God the rest of the uk music coverage in the national dailies sucks so hard.

piscesx, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 09:49 (sixteen years ago)

I saw a copy of The Sun (on a train, yeah I know etcet), and was surprised by it's coverage.

Maybe coloured by the fact I was more expecting it to be on the level of "Katie Price is making a new album about her life over the past 6 months" standard, I dunno.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:08 (sixteen years ago)

The Sun's pop coverage is nuts. They'll make Six Organs of Admittance their lead story and give Dead Moon albums 5 stars and stuff.

Disco Stfu (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:50 (sixteen years ago)

If you have to appear in a specific music page buried in the middle of the Sun then you are de facto not pop music. The Sun's pop coverage is X Factor and pictures of Amy Winehouse falling out of nightclubs, not reviews of the hobbyhorse indie bands of the editor of a section that is probably even less read than the City pages.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:56 (sixteen years ago)

You have to admit it's pretty weird how someone gets free rein to just casually drop stuff like that in there though - I mean they don't have a comparable situation in any other area of the paper AFAICT

The Execution Of Garu G (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:09 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah it's because no one gives a shit. They probably have to fill it with jobbing indie bands because any pop star of status gets bumped forward to the news section or Bizarre.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 11:30 (sixteen years ago)

The Sun covers that stuff because Simon Cosyns, who edits the SFTW section, is an assistant editor of the paper and therefore senior enough not to have other people fucking with his commissioning. The fact that the Sun thinks its worthwhile lies in the fact that he is given a staff to run it with.

Whether it actually makes much difference or not ... Well, the PR firms are all happy to go with a paper that sells 3m copies, but they don't expect to sell many Black Mountain albums on the back of it. However, readers to read those pages. In Jan 06 I had the misfortune to be in a pub with Dan Treacey. A couple of weeks earlier the Sun had tipped the TVPs as one of their "six for 06". Which was obviously madness. Anyway, Treacey said the previous couple of weeks had been a nightmare of white van drivers shouting at him: "You was in the Sun, fella."

ithappens, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 14:48 (sixteen years ago)

Good god!

Still, dammmed if you do...

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 15:49 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.rocksbackpagesblogs.com/2009/11/music-magazine-malaise-another-one-bites-the-dust/

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 23 November 2009 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

OMM did a decade issue on November 29th, so will there be a final OMM end of year issue on Sunday: December 27th?

as from January 3rd 2010 should see a new look Observer

Observer makes raft of appointments

Paper gears up for relaunch with four weekly sections next year
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/11/observer-appointments

Guardian News & Media's Sunday title will have four weekly sections – news, sport, an expanded Review section and the Observer Magazine.

djmartian, Sunday, 20 December 2009 12:29 (sixteen years ago)


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