Psychedelic Basslines

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BRIAN JONESTOWN MASSACRE - Supersonic
BRIAN JONESTOWN MASSACRE - Whoever You Are
STEREOLAB - Metronomic Underground

Despite being relatively easy and simple basslines, these are simply very cool basslines that have a great sound. Where could one look to find more of these??

looserreal, Monday, 17 October 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Can.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Yo La Tengo - Moby Octopad
Teenage Fanclub - The Worldll be OK
Queens of the Stone Age - Better Living Through Chemistry
Buzzcocks - Why Can't I touch It?

buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

The Fall

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Sabotage--Beastie Boys

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Why can't I touch it is another great example. I guess thinkin gbaout the patterns of things, the basslines
1) usually hit the bottom/tonic note and then theres usually an octave jump at some point or another
2) They're short-ish (unlike the drawn out basslines of, say, dead meadow) and
3) are heavily repeated.

i know less can than i should

looserreal, Monday, 17 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

HAS THERE BEEN A THREAD FOR THE BEST BASSLINES EVER? It sounds like a good idea but I don't know if it's already been done and I don't want to be the asshole who repeats a thread, thereby flogging the horse that, if not dead, is in mortal danger of expiring.

Has it been done?

buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

stereo shoestring "on the road south"
OM

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Didn't the, um, Beatles have some psychedlic basslines?

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

what does OM/OTM stand for?

cheap scratch, Monday, 17 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Om is a band
OTM is On the money

Can basslines in this vein are Vitamic C, Mother Sky, and You Doo Right.

Tony Conrad: The Death of the Composer was in 1962
Faust - Ein Neuer Tag

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

moby octopad was the first yLT song i ever heard and it was exactly what i expected.
that guitar squawk is so antclimatic it sucks.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

PIL - Second Edition
All dub ever

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

STEREOLAB - Metronomic Underground

The bassline for this song is basically the bassline from Gil Scott Heron's - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. What's the other song that Metronomic Underground is based on? I can't think of it right now.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Beatles "Rain"
Numerous basslines on the first couple Gong records
Live version of Allmans' "Whipping Post"
All the basslines of Royal Trux Sweet Sixteen
Every Dicke Peterson bassline

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Ulver: Track ’VI’ from Nattens Madrigal, especially that opening…

"", Monday, 17 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

The Standells - "Medication"

I don't know if I'd call the bassline "psychedelic", but it's a foundation psychedelic song, and my friend and I were recently commenting on how great the bassline is...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Isn't "Metronomic Underground" also basically identical to one of the basslines off of Yoko Ono's Plastic Ono Band album? (Searching...) Yeah, "Mindtrain." Klaus Voortman was a pretty sick bass player; that "Jump In the Fire" song off of Nilsson Schmilsson is great in a similar vein...

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

re. metro... see also the buzzcocks 'can i touch it?'

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

JEFFERSON AIRPLANE

amon (eman), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Yes. "Heart of the Sunrise," "Tempus Fugit."
Rush. "La Villa Strangiato," "YYZ."
Led Zeppelin. "What Is and What Should Never Be," "Ramble On."
The Music Machine. "Talk Talk"
The Police. "The Bed's Too Big without You."
Public Image Ltd. "Poptones."
The Who. "Armenia City in the Sky," "Won't Get Fooled Again."
Cream. "Sunshine of Your Love," "Badge."
Siouxsie & The Banshees. "Spellbound."

almost, Monday, 17 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

metronomic underground is similar to though not the same as GIL SCOTT HERON's "the revolution will not be televised"

buyabiznatch, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

x-p, but "Metronomic Underground" has always reeked of Can's "Yoo Doo Right" to me.

mike powell (mike powell), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

"3rd Stone From The Sun"

amon (eman), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

x-p, but "Metronomic Underground" has always reeked of Can's "Yoo Doo Right" to me.

Yes! That's the one I was trying to think of. Thank you.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

SOFT BOYS - UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT!!


also--who can tell me all i need to know about gong?

buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Gong: I'd say start with Camembert Electrique. If you like that, Angel's Egg, You, Flying Teapot and Magick Brother are all essential as well.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

The Birthday Party. "Mutiny in Heaven."

Gong's trilogy is pretty cool. When the French guy led them later, they sound like Tortoise precursors.

Lots of Brokeback songs. Lots of Weather Report songs. Jaco is certainly more psychedelic than the BJM.

Mingus.

almost, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

How could a bassline be psychedelic? Are we talking about effects? I can not imagine anything done with deep bass strings to ever be characteristically psychedelic unless by psychedelic you mean it simple sounds 60s-ish, having nothing to do with lsd (for example, "Tax Man" by the Beatles).

The Rabble Rousing Argumentative Fellow Who Means No Harm, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Tones on Tail - OK This is the Pops
Blue Cheer - Summertime Blues
-which begat Pere Ubu - Heart of Darkness, Final Solution

when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

What the fuck's a "psychedelic bassline"? You mean something that sounds like "Rain" by the Beatles?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

That's what everybody seems to think.

What about The Count Five's "Pyschotic Reaction"? Or is that a "psychotic bassline"?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

OutKast, "Stankonia" comes to mind. But I'm not sure I understand the criteria correctly. Perhaps any flanged-out, buzzy 60s bass applies? Or the super-reverbed bomp-bomp-bomp Cocteau Twins bass?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Flanged-out and buzzy? So "Think For Yourself" counts too?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

I'd say, yeah, totally. But then again... maybe the guy of the "How Dare Non-Stoners Call Stoner Music Boring" thread fame can drop by and educate us on the definition of psychedelia.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

How can basslines be psychedelic? "Paychedelic" is a matter of opinion - I totally concur with half of the basslines already mentioned and disagree with the other half. To my personal ears, a "psychedelic" bassline would be characterized by single-minded repetition, modal playing and regular full-octave leaps for variety. To my ears, the aforementioned Can/PIL/Buzzcocks and dub basslines all do this, while the Beatles/Yes/Led Zep ones usually don't. Superb bassists, of course, just not repetitive/hypnotic enough to strike me as mind-expanding.

A couple more: "Cherub" (Butthole Surfers) and "Sweet Emotion" (Aerosmith). I'm open to disagreements. (Hairsplitting is fun!)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

As I hinted at above when I think of a "psychedelic" bassline the first thing I think of is "Rain" by the Beatles. It's modal and repetitive and, moreover, it's a psychedelic song into the bargain. Can/ Buzzcocks/ PiL - are they psychedelic?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

David Bowie. "V-2 Schneider."
The Stooges. "Dirt."
Duran Duran. "Hold back the Rain."
The Cure. "Primary."
Joy Division. "Transmission."
Pink Floyd. "Money."

almost, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Paycheck-delic basslines: "Under Pressure," "Lovesong."

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Hawkwind. "The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)."

almost, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

The Stooges. "Dirt."

What exactly is psychedelic about this? And 99% of the other basslines on this thread?

Pink Floyd. "Money."

Oh go get some ears, for crying out loud!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

My lame contribution:

Japan's "Sons of Pioneers"
No-Man's "Sweetheart Raw"
Ride - "Leave Them All Behind"

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

I think Jonestown and the like are most influenced (bass playing-wise) by the Spaceman 3/Spiritualized guys (Pete Bassman and Willie B. Caruthers) and Simon from The Verve. The early Verve shit has some great Can style repetitive riffing. The bassline to "Slide Away" is a perfect melodic descender.

"Leave Them All Behind" is another one of those.

Pharmaceutical Executive, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

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"a "psychedelic" bassline would be characterized by single-minded repetition, modal playing and regular full-octave leaps for variety."

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This is exactly what I meant!!!! I'm quite glad someone knew exactly what I meant cuz it seems like there was some confusion.

I love the dirt bassline, the money bassline, the under pressure bassline, transmission etc though i guess they weren't exactly the style which I was trying to get at. I apoligize for the confusion and perhaps the ill described sound (I guess "psychedelic" was the word that made most sense).

By the way, how does one italicize text so as to give credit to a previous post?

looserreal (buyabiznatch), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Hawkwind - Orgone Accumulator

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

So what genuine psychedelic songs have basslines "characterized by single-minded repetition, modal playing and regular full-octave leaps for variety"?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

re: megamixx - another song with the can/metronomic u./mindtrain/televised bassline is antibalas "si se puede".

autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

yeah, spacemen 3/spiritualized songs have a lot of these sorts of basslines--good call!
Does anyone know what the update is on...jason spaceman was it?? i remember hearing that he wasn't in good shape

buyabiznatch (buyabiznatch), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

... and loads of the Spacemen 3/Spiritualized basslines are very reminescent of Funhouse-era Stooges.

Pharmaceutical Executive, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Plastic Ono Band - Why

Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Pharmecuetical OTM re: early Verve basslines. Simon's basslines always outlined the melody, which allowed McCabe to do his freelance/FX thing.

Along the same lines of modal, repetitive basslines that ascend/descend melodically: the bass player on Curtis Mayfield's 70s albums. "Beautiful Brother of Mine", "Freddie's Dead" are in this vien (sometimes more pentatonic than modal, however).

Scott H, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

"Oh go get some ears, for crying out loud!"

Outrage at relating Floyd to psychedelia is somewhat psychedelic in its own hypocrite hipster way.

almost, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Could you translate that into English? You think "Money" is psychedelic? I repeat, go get some ears.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

English: Dude, in a thread kicked off with reference to The Brian Jonestown Massacre and Stereolab, "Money" is psychedelic. Or at the very least, it's weird you'd get up in arms about "Money," and not, I don't know, "Sabotage."

almost, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Well I did say that 99% of the basslines cited in this thread aren't "psychedelic". But I don't know what's weird about pointing out that "Money", probably the single least psychedelic track in Pink Floyd's history (apart from "Biding My Time" perhaps) up until that point, is not even remotely psychedelic.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

But then I think we've established by now that the original poster didn't really mean "psychedelic" in the first place

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Grooverider - "Where's Jack The Ripper?"
Frank Zappa - "Apostrophe" (feat. Jack Bruce of Cream on bass)

viborgu, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

BTW, anyone who wants to challenge my description of "psychedelic": You could do worse than mention Bruce Palmer's playing on the Buffalo Springfield's "Pay The Price", which sounds NOTHING like my interpretation, despite supposedly being recorded while he was tripping.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Good Dog's posting of "Why" is appreciated; it reminded me that that's the Ono Band bassline I was thinking of that Stereolab used, on "Emperor Tomato Ketchup". I don't know if "psychedelic" is the most accurate description for all these basslines, though...

C. Dunsmuir, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

To my ears, the aforementioned Can/PIL/Buzzcocks and dub basslines all do this, while the Beatles/Yes/Led Zep ones usually don't. Superb bassists, of course, just not repetitive/hypnotic enough to strike me as mind-expanding.

However, many of the bassists from the psychedelic era did not use a whole hell of alot of repetition. Many were heavily into fusing folk, rock and free jazz. Someone mentioned the Jefferson Airplane; Jack Casady might have played "modally" but he did not repeat lines like Hawkwind or Can or PIL. And, I find his bass playing incredibly psychedelic because it's all about movement and flow, which to me are more fundamental to psychedelia than repetition. In fact, I think repetition is somewhat antithetical to psychedelia because repetition hypnotizes the mind or puts it to sleep. Hypnotization is the exact oppotsite of "mind-expanding". Repetition, in my mind, speaks more to the body than the mind. In dance music, you don't want the mind interfering with the movement of the body so you create repetition which puts the mind to sleep and awakens the body, which then takes over.

But please note, I am not saying psychedelia is smarter than dance music or anything like that. I believe the mind and body are total equals but different musics speak to different parts of the human. And both psychedelia-for-the-mind and dance-music-for-the-body can be used as tools for consciousness expansion, which to me is someting beyond "mind-expanding" because it incorporates both mind and body. I'll shut up now.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

A "psychedelic bassline" to me is some hypnotic, looping, knuckle-dragging shit, if it went on forever you wouldn't mind.

As mentioned upthread, Butthole Surfers' "Cherub" is a top contender, "Mark Says Alright" is another favorite as well as:

Liars' "This Dust Makes That Mud"
Skullflower's "Elephant's Graveyard"
Monster Magnet's "Tab" (Forget About Life I'm High On Dope version)
Amon Duul II's "Archangels Thunderbird" (from Live In London, natch)
Spacemen 3's "Things'll Never Be The Same"

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

1. Radiohead - All I Need (that is bass right?)

CaptainLorax, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

justin farrar's post is kinda interesting

i always have this wider confusion about 'psychedelic' music — like in theory i think it seems like a good idea and then i try and think musically what i might like about it and come up o_o

thomp, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

Forgive me.

"Tomorrow Never Knows"... the Phil Collins version.

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 02:38 (sixteen years ago)

Do Make Say Think's "Fredericia"

wolf_train, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:50 (sixteen years ago)

Simply Saucer - "Illegal Bodies"

watch me superban dat ho (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 03:07 (sixteen years ago)

wait, Phil Collins did a cover version of Tomorrow Never Knows? I should check this out

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 03:12 (sixteen years ago)

'How to Dissapear completely' by Radiohead has a very immersive bass figure. It always sends me floating away when I try to focus on it.

Moka, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 04:00 (sixteen years ago)

Where trying to come up with hypnotic basslines, no? I also support the Can mention, all of the musicians on that band were psychedelic magicians.

Moka, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 04:02 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Most of Ken Forssi's basslines for love are pretty great.
As are most of Jack Casady's for the airplane
Phil Lesh is very leftfield most of the time
as is Chris Kirkwood

But would second mentions of Czukay above cos he normally hits the nail right on the head
& that reminds me of Boris Sjudovic of the Scientists

Plus one should always remember Bootsy

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 11:07 (fifteen years ago)

Steveolende, yep yep! Chris Kirkwood is on the mark, his lovely meandering basslines are great.

Run Westy Run Megatorrent (MaresNest), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

Nuge - Stranglehold

Space // Funk (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 13:11 (fifteen years ago)

Gong got mentioned a couple times upthread, and I concur. Always thought Mike Howlett kept things motoring along nicely through the whooshing synths and space whispers.

Hodge Podge Bodge, Peo-PLE! (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 15:03 (fifteen years ago)


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