Firstly, I'm no skinny-tie-and-denim Estrus obsessive, and I always thought the garage/punk revival of whenever the hell it was (2001? 2002?) was sketchy at best, truly awful at worst. I do NOT believe that there was ever a golden age when rock musicians "got it right," and if there was I don't think it was the same era as that of the Beatles, the Stones, "Nuggets," et al.Secondly, I am no guitar-guitar-drums snob, no backward-looking, back-to-the garage music primitivist. I absorb all kinds of music but my favorite by far is that which looks unashamedly forward: Disco Inferno, Seefeel, Kraftwerk, Sigur Ros--you get the idea.Thirdly, as a fairly enlightened person, I can safely say I am not homophobic, racist, or sexist, three criticisms which are, apparently, frequently lobbed at rockists.
And yet: this ideal of authenticity, this expectation of artists to shy away from artifice and camp, this elevation of "high art" music like Talk Talk over "pop art" music like Kelis or M.I.A., this distrust of the mass-marketed, this high hope for rock music to change my life and be as immediate to me when I'm twenty, thirty, forty years old as it is when I hear it (which can sometimes be twenty, thirty, forty years after it was recorded)--to varying extent, I display all these characteristics and then some. I can come to no other conclusion than that I am a rockist.
The questions then, are as follows:-Should I feel bad about this?-If so, why can't I convince myself?
I was introduced to music through punk rock and at the heart of my love for music remains a need to be affected. I DO go on bike rides with my CD player hoping to gain some kind of revelation, or at least a peak experience (it's happened). I love pop music in its many forms, but I'm coming to realize: chiefly to the extent that it conforms to this idea, this impulse to find the music which attacks my heart and soul and brain and leaves me different from how it found me. This *is* rockism, isn't it? This *is* elitism in a way, isn't it? I much prefer M.I.A. to AC/DC, I'll grant, but I prefer Bark Psychosis to both. There are exceptions, of course--enough that the picture of me this post paints is probably very different from the genuine article. But I STILL have a mistrust of prog and MOR and pop songs whose author works for the label, and I would STILL rather hear the Minutemen than Madonna, or, to use an example I found someplace on the internet, Nirvana rather than Mariah. If this is rockism (and it must be), why does it seem so normal, even... right to me? Believe me, this post has nothing to do with ME, but this idea has suddenly acquired a tremendous (probably moreso than is warranted) importance in my mind.
― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I much prefer M.I.A. to AC/DC, I'll grant, but I prefer Bark Psychosis to both.
Then relax and be comfortable with your tastes. Anyone complaining to you about your tastes is just jealous that they're not comfortable with their own. (The exception is liking the Dave Matthews Band, which is grounds for exile.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link
:)
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Prefering what you perceive as art over craft or substance over surface feels normal or natural or right because on some level, for you, it's a pre-conscious assumption, like it is for lots of people. It's wrapped up in why some music gives you more joy than others. If it's Rockist or not doesn't matter a flying toss, because if Rockism's got any use as a word it's not about describing a person's subjective pleasures. All it's useful for, or was ever useful for, is labelling a kind of critic who acts like those subjective values (art over craft or substance over surface) aren't subjective and limited but are universal, Platonic truths. Which isn't what you're saying, owen, so, like Rock On.
― Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link
I share those same impulses, yet I embrace a lot of stuff which you are 'suspicious' of. The mechanism behind the production for me is invisible, I've only got the liner notes say so that it was written and produced by the artist and not some jobbing sessioneer/production team so in that respect I don't see the opposition between MIA and AC/DC or your other examples. What matters to me is how well it 'attacks my heart and soul'.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nöödle Vägue (noodle vague), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
owen, sorry if i sounded like i was being dismissive of your post which i actually liked alot!
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link
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― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
gear OTM. can we just post that to every rockism/popism thread and lock the thread?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― up, Friday, 21 October 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, the thread title was just to get attention; I'm not really so naive as to be able to say something like that and believe it for more than about seventeen seconds.
As a postscript, the second "too" in the first sentence should have been a "two."
― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link