Giorgio Moroder - Italo Disco?

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Does some of Giorgio Moroder's late 70s output count as early Italo Disco?

I am not speaking of string laden early disco songs such as "Love To Love You Baby", but stuff in the vein of "I Feel Love", "Sunset People" and that 1979 album by Sparks.

The reason why I am asking is I plan to burn myself a 4-5 CD chronological anthology of Italo Disco, and as I know there are lots of Italo Disco fans here on ILX, it would be great to have your opinion on this before I decide whether to include a couple Moroder tracks at the beginning or not.

Some reasons why he may be classified as Italo Disco:

- Giorgio Moroder, without any doubt, is actually very Italian indeed

- Some of his late 70s output has a lot in common with Italo Disco musically: 4/4 disco beats, lots of synth, and those repetitive synth patterns that are so typical of the genre


However, on the other hand, I rarely see him lumped together with the other names associated with the genre, he worked mainly with Americans and Germans, and he has indeed produced a lot of stuff that has absolutely nothing in common with Italo Disco (I mean, "Take My Breath Away" and "Love Missile F1-11", obviously...)

So what is your opinion? Do "Sunset People" and "The Number One Song In Heaven" belong at the beginning of an Italo Disco anthology? Yes or No? And Why? Why Not?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

If you were going to put together an electronic/new wave pop compilation, would you include Kraftwerk?

If you can find the right song, I say go for it. You've pretty much stated the case.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

From Here To Eternity is a great place to cull tracks.

"The Chase".

These records are more than just Italo-Disco to me, but they can certainly fit in on an Italo-Disco comp just as well.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Ever checked Einzelganger? Giorgio's experimental synth album from '75. A good friend passed me a copy - amazing stuff.

11V, Saturday, 22 October 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

I Feel Love is generally considered year zero for Italo-Disco (and synth disco, and a few other genres as well). The From Here to Eternity record as well. Interviews with the likes of Claudio Simonetti confirm Moroder as the prime influence in the sound, and considering that most agree that italo-disco is more a genre/sound then a description of the location it was made, I'd say that many Moroder productions a game. I don't know that I'd include Sparks however, despite it's greatness, as it's co-written by an american(british) pop band and generally grouped more with synth-pop, even though, obviously it's a hell of a disco album.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 22 October 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

I chose to include those Moroder tracks, even though I do follow the difference between Summer/Sparks to some extent (I didn't include Japan's "Life In Tokyo", as that one is obviously more New Romantics than disco).

Have finished four CDs so far, and it seems there will be two more until I am in late 1987 and Italo Disco (at least at its artistic height) is more or less dead save for instrumental acts such as K.O.T.O and Laserdance.

And I agree that Italo disco may not only be from Italy. So far I have included tracks by acts such as Sparks, Flirts and Fancy, and it seems that there will be contributions from Scandinavian acts such as Laban and Paul Rein in #5 (possibly Avalanche too, if I manage to find "Wheel Of Fortune" on DC).

May post the tracklisting of the CDs when I am finished.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Well, here's my track listing then:

CD 1:
1. I Feel Love – Donna Summer
2. One For You, One For Me – La Bionda
3. Number One Song In Heaven – Sparks
4. The Chase – Giorgio Moroder
5. Sunset People – Donna Summer
6. I Wanna Be Your Lover – La Bionda
7. Masterpiece – Gazebo
8. You Are Danger – Gary Low
9. The Garden – Lectric Workers
10. Passion – The Flirts
11. Take a Chance – Mr. Flagio
12. Penguins Invasion – Scotch
13. Lunatic – Gazebo
14. Jukebox – The Flirts

CD 2:
1. Pulstar – Hipnosis
2. I Want You – Gary Low
3. Chinese Revenge – K.O.T.O
4. Another Life – Kano
5. Do It Again/Billie Jean – Clubhouse
6. Somebody – Video
7. I Like Chopin – Gazebo
8. Droid – Mito
9. Dolce Vita – Ryan Paris
10. Happy Children – P.Lion
11. Vamos a La Playa – Righeira
12. Happy Station – Fun Fun
13. Voices In The Dark – Mike Cannon
14. Hypnotic Tango – My Mine
15. The Night – Valerie Dore

CD 3:
1. Polaris – Cyber People
2. Japanese War Game – K.O.T.O.
3. Self Control – Raf
4. Happy Song – Baby’s Gang
5. Slice Me Nice – Fancy
6. Colour My Love – Fun Fun
7. Tonight – Ken Laszlo
8. Get Closer – Valerie Dore
9. Chinese Eyes – Fancy
10. People From Ibiza – Sandy Marton
11. Disco Band – Scotch
12. Tora Tora Tora – Numero Uno
13. How Old Are You – Miko Mission
14. Lady Fantasy – Max Him
15. Hey Hey Guy – Ken Laszlo
16. Don’t Cry Tonight – Savage

CD 4:
1. Talking To The Night – Brian Ice
2. Challenger – Baby’s Gang
3. Comanchero – Raggio Di Luna
4. Take Me Up – Scotch
5. L.A.D.Y. O – Fancy
6. Future Brain – Den Harrow
7. Around My Dream – Silver Pozolli
8. Void Vision – Cyber People
9. Tarzan Boy – Baltimora
10. Power Run – Laserdance
11. The World Is You – Miko Mission
12. Japanese Girl – Max Him
13. Baby Talk – Alisha
14. Bad Boy – Den Harrow
15. Delirio Mind – Scotch
16. The Visitors – K.O.T.O

CD 5:
1. Woody Boogie – Baltimora
2. Chance To Desire – Radiorama
3. Don’t Wake Me Up – J.D. Jaber
4. From You To Me – Silver Pozolli
5. Don’t Cry – Ken Laszlo
6. Caught By Surprise – Laban
7. Charleston – Den Harrow
8. Two For Love – Miko Mission
9. Baila Bolero – Fun Fun
10. Mirage – Scotch
11. Lady O – Paul Rein
12. Vampires – Radiorama
13. Bolero – Fancy
14. Looking For Love – Tom Hooker
15. USSR – Eddy Huntington

CD 6:
1. Easy Lady – Spagna
2. Jabdah – K.O.T.O
3. Catch The Fox – Den Harrow
4. Love In Siberia – Laban
5. I Love My Radio – Taffy
6. Money Runner – Scotch
7. Humanoid Invasion – Laserdance
8. Aliens – Radiorama
9. Chica Boom – Silver Pozolli
10. For Your Love – Albert One
11. Don’t Break My Heart – Den Harrow
12. Boys – Sabrina
13. Call Me – Spagna
14. Popcorn – M&H Band
15. Dragon’s Legend – K.O.T.O
16. Shotgun (Into The Night) – Laserdance

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 October 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Gotta make room for Katy Gray's "Hold Me Tight"!

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Sunday, 23 October 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Nice selection, Geir - though I could never get along with "Pulstar" - Hypnosis (which was EVERYWHERE in late 83). I'm fairly convinced that there's a complete bum note in there somewhere, about halfway through.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Agree about "Pulstar". The bass note in one of the parts is completely wrong. I mean, bitonality may be OK for Stravinsky, I guess, but Hypnosis were hardly Stravinsky. Check out the Vangelis version for the correct bass note.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

It's very 80s, I mean if you're going to include I Feel Love, where are all the other italo originators? The Simonetti tracks, the Malavasi stuff?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

and dude, where the fuuuck is pineapples? charlie? if youre not specifically trying to avoid the popular ones, they should definitely be on there. even "tarzan boy!"

petesmith (plsmith), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

it's munich machine music, innit?

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

He's not avoiding the popular ones, most of those tracks were way more popular then Pineapples or Spacer Woman. This is just a the common conflict between italo-disco as populatized in Europe during the 80s/90s, and italo-disco as popularized in america initally through djs in NYC and Chicago, and it's recent revival due to post-techno/electro artists discovery. There are a few crossover tracks for sure, but the gist of a collection like that is obvious. For instance, the former would pick Disco Band by Scotch, the latter would pick Penguin Invasion. I mean, due to success on dancefloors, Dirty Talk, or I'm Ready by Kano, or Problemes d'Amour are all more well known in america then any of those songs(excepting Donna Summer). I'd also suggest they are all better songs then anything on that list, but that's subjective.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 24 October 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

Dan OTM. A large proportion of these are the Italo tracks which I remember being popular at the time: Gazebo, Hypnosis, Gary Low, Fun Fun, P.Lion, Kano, Righeira, Ryan Paris, My Mine, Raf, Taffy etc. Kano's "Another Life" was in the German singles charts for over six months, for example...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

The lack of Modern Talking on this list is deplorable. Otherwise, 100% classic. Although I miss Mike Rogers "Just A Story" and Azoto "Exalt, Exalt".

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

I'd have included Kano's "Queen Of Witches", Boytronic's "You", and either "Face To Face - Heart To Heart" or "Not The Loving Kind" by The Twins.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)


Yes - "Face To face - Heart to Heart" is an excellent shout. I would maybe also have had Peter Richard "Walking In the Neon", but a good compilation nonetheless.

JohnFoxxsJuno, Monday, 24 October 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

I don't count Modern Talking as Italo Disco. The only German 870s Europop act that would pass as Italo is Fancy. The rest sounded very German.

And I think Dan has the main point here. Italo disco was mainly popular here between late 1983 and 1987, with tracks such as "Do It Again/Billie Jean", "Dolce Vita" and "Vamos a La Playa". Those early tracks are interesting influences, but they were never hits, not even in the discos, plus some of them sound more like synthpop to me.

Also, interestingly, some of the biggest hits of all are on the last CD. 86-87 was then Italo really started crossing over from the discos and into the hitlists. By then, the genre was increasingly Americanized through a use of "hard" digital synth sounds and even guitars (Spagna is a very typical example of this), but still, "Boys" was probably the biggest Italo disco hit ever, and "Call Me" and "I Love My Radio" were also both huge hits.

As for the 70s, I checked out a couple of tracks recommended by various sites, and I decided there was too little synth on them for them to be considered Italo disco enough. Even "One For You, One For Me" is a borderline case, I would say.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 October 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)


Geir,
Have you had a look at some of the mixes on:

http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net

Most of my Italo education comes from there.

JohnFoxxsJuno, Monday, 24 October 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

You really need Primavera by Tulio de Piscopo, at least that's what I think it's called.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Cybernetic Broadcasting is a good example of italo education that picks up its cues from the more electro side that was such a big influence in the clubs in the earlier 80s. Also confirming this, this past thursday I hung out with Greg Wilson of

http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk

and he said the pioneering electro dj's in the uk only had interest in or knew about very few italo tracks...Feels Good by Electra, Harry Thurman's Underwater, Dirty Talk etc. I asked him if he knew about those due to their being picked up in NY clubs and he said no, he had a connection in the UK who was filtering the tracks in the same way the DJs in NY and Chicago were.

The other thing to remember is the "hip" version of italo reflects which records were licensed and released in america to the clubs, such as the stuff on Emergency, 25 West etc, Fuzz Dance came out on Sire and Klein + MBO had an LP on Atlantic.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Nice selection Geir. But I would have included "Cha Cha Cha" by Finzy Kontini, my all time favorite italo track.

daavid (daavid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
mmmmmmm

hearing this makes mee feel oh so much like a woman...to get up and dance to this mature voice and of course the beat......wooooooow

heres to silver pozolli...........woooooow

woooooow, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

^^

just sayin, Sunday, 26 May 2013 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

woooooow

don't doomie like that (crüt), Monday, 27 May 2013 06:15 (thirteen years ago)

Giorgio Moroder, without any doubt, is actually very Italian indeed

When I watched that daft punk interview video I was surprised that he has a german accent and looks really german without the moustache. he even looks vaguely like werner herzog now.

wk, Monday, 27 May 2013 08:24 (thirteen years ago)

http://vimeo.com/66655751

Lecture: Giorgio Moroder (New York, 2013)
from Red Bull Music Academy

One of the true greats of disco and electronic music at the 2013 Red Bull Music Academy in New York.

Although Italian by upbringing, Giorgio Moroder did most of his work in Munich and the influence of Düsseldorf’s Kraftwerk can be heard in his work for Donna Summer, which includes two of the ultimate disco anthems, “I Feel Love” and “Love to Love You Baby.” He was also a supreme composer of soundtracks, scoring an unlikely success with the theme from Midnight Express. His footprints are all over British synth pop as well, a connection made explicit with “Together in Electric Dreams,” a 1984 collab with Philip Oakey that remains Moroder’s biggest chart hit.

^I watched this Saturday afternoon. It's not super packed with insight and the host is sort of annoying, but it's fun to see him forget a few things he'd even recorded when played back to him for his opinion.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 May 2013 08:30 (thirteen years ago)

“Together in Electric Dreams,” a 1984 collab with Philip Oakey that remains Moroder’s biggest chart hit.

Wait, is this true? Bigger than "I Feel Love" or "Flashdance...What a Feeling" or "Take My Breath Away" or "Call Me"?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 May 2013 08:32 (thirteen years ago)

Or even "Danger Zone" ffs?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 May 2013 08:32 (thirteen years ago)

I think they mean it's the biggest released under his name

don't doomie like that (crüt), Monday, 27 May 2013 08:38 (thirteen years ago)

what a thread. ah ilx

the display names will fall like rain (Matt P), Monday, 27 May 2013 09:29 (thirteen years ago)

wait so are we officially seeing the rock canonization of giorgio moroder? good for him, not like he needs the paycheck.

the display names will fall like rain (Matt P), Monday, 27 May 2013 09:34 (thirteen years ago)

i was gonna say re geir's original comments that "love to love you baby" and "i feel love" are the same song, but here i am beimg geir baited in 2013.

the display names will fall like rain (Matt P), Monday, 27 May 2013 09:37 (thirteen years ago)

so according to that video the scarface theme was inspired by this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_w5yNDRJKs

don't doomie like that (crüt), Monday, 27 May 2013 09:49 (thirteen years ago)

i've always considered him pretty italo disco

that's that shit i don't like

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 19:05 (thirteen years ago)

seven years pass...

Woah, Geir the Italo Disco King!

When I watched that daft punk interview video I was surprised that he has a german accent and looks really german without the moustache. he even looks vaguely like werner herzog now.

He's from South Tyrol, like Gilbert of Gilbert & George, and, like Gilbert of Gilbert & George, his first language is Ladin rather than Italian or German, but, like Gilbert of Gilbert & George, it's likely he would have more of a German accent than an Italian accent.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:04 (five years ago)


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