OTM
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 27 November 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I wish I had had that feeling!
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 27 November 2005 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link
I got forwarded a posting about a music blogging job opportunity and one of the stipulations was that you had to read 200 blogs on google reader a day
sounds like some sort of personal hell, tbh
― Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a Whiney! (dyao), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
how often are you allowed to pee?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
What, exactly, were the other stipulations?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2009/04/prison.jpgread yr blogs
― tylerw, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
You couldn't date, you need fresh sand in your litter box, and contact lenses are not included.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm you have to oversee a couple of interns, be able to write on a deadline (not too pitchfork-y or press release-y), work at an office in NY
― Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a Whiney! (dyao), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
not too pitchfork-y or press release-y
Just kind of journalist...y?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i'd be very interested to see a list of music journalists who aren't the editor of something, who currently, in 2010, live off of it.
― black sheep boys and chips ahoys (kiss out the jams), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
you are in a field
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:30 (4 months ago)
it is dark now
you sleep
it is day
you take out your notepad
on it, you find a picture of your face
the notepad, you realize, is a mirror
you write a note
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:31 (4 months ago)
it is night
you are sleepy
you look at the notepad
you fall into the notepad
into the notepad
in front you, you see your wife
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:32 (4 months ago)
your child is in your arms
your face is covered with blood
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 10 December 2009 23:33 (4 months ago)
you write on your notepad
you are a journalist
― sausage s4rgent (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
the job descript says "show that you can write in an animated, intelligent way" that's not too "insider-y, pitchfork academic, or brainless PR"...y
anyway if anyone's interested on this board webmail me and I can forward you the posting. it's for /\/\TV but tbh it sounds like it's for a fresh grad who's willing to live off of cheerios
― dyao, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Not much different from any other grad.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
My friend Polly of the Popinjays always said being in a band was for people who hadn't grown up yet
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
is music journalism really a career for an adult?
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
― ksh, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
one of the stipulations was that you had to read 200 blogs on google reader a day
what a disaster for Net News Wire users
― ksh, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Congratulation to 200 blogs for their extra 1 reader per day.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Classic Pop Magazine
6 hrs · .
Classic Pop is looking for regional correspondents (with some experience in journalism) to cover live shows and festivals in the North and North East. Anyone interested? Let us know here asap!
(The link doesn't look like it has worked but if you can't figure out how to contact them ... )
― djh, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
answer to q is no, obv
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
shit we can't all be project managers and scrum masters
― j., Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
all careers are careers for adults
― mikelovestfu (wins), Thursday, 5 June 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
that's what makes them careers
but not every career has an adult
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 June 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
http://crackmagazine.net/opinion/opinion/when-did-music-journalism-stop-wielding-the-axe/
― djh, Saturday, 29 July 2017 07:33 (six years ago) link
seeing that url I thought piece would be about how music journalists no longer hold authority to wield the axe
― niels, Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:19 (six years ago) link
big data's a more scientific era. it's guillotines now.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:21 (six years ago) link
it's p easy to rip things to pieces - that piece is guilty of the old assumption that negativity is somehow more intellectually valid than positivity. in a world where i can just go and listen to anything instantly it's not that worthwhile to have somebody telling me "don't listen to this", i mean except occasionally on some deeper level about a scene or whatever, or as a form of entertainment, or for people who can't see beyond the inherent discrepancy in power between the language of invective and the language of praise.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:34 (six years ago) link
even talking about "bootings" - you're a middle-aged man sitting typing at a computer, there's nothing violent about criticising music made by some relative children, and if there was, that'd be nothing to feel macho or proud about.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:38 (six years ago) link
Negative criticism is as important as positive criticism - I'm utterly bored with reading critics that apparently like everything. Nobody likes everything!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:49 (six years ago) link
it's not as if there isn't still negativity around, or negative reactions to things, it's all still there in abundance, just that not many people need to read one man's big theory of why something is crap.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:50 (six years ago) link
all rippings are not equal. I cld use a lot more negativity in music criticism, even hyperbolic/one-sided pieces when done well. there's so much stuff which is sufficiently niche that anyone who goes to the trouble of writing about it is cheerleading. liking things is cheap, doesn't require much investment, but I love reading about the things ppl loathe when they really engage, the more specific the better
― ogmor, Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:52 (six years ago) link
^^^
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:54 (six years ago) link
it's the joy of dialectic; negative takes on things I love often clarify and harden my love more than a positive piece
― ogmor, Saturday, 29 July 2017 09:54 (six years ago) link
in a world where i can just go and listen to anything instantly it's not that worthwhile to have somebody telling me "don't listen to this"
otm, but the accessibility also affects positive criticism - most people prefer listening to music to reading about it, robots can do a lot of the curating
― niels, Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:02 (six years ago) link
the more specific the better
i'd agree if it was common for negative reviews to be well-executed, but a great many negative reviews end up sounding the same. wildly different things from food to movies to music get criticised for the same reasons.
there's so much stuff which is sufficiently niche that anyone who goes to the trouble of writing about it is cheerleading
i think with this stuff it becomes less and less likely that a hugely negative review has any kind of impact or even veracity. someone can hate it, sure, but it's incredibly difficult to connect it to anything.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:06 (six years ago) link
a lot of ppl never had a lot of use for personal essays and could only really get on board w music criticism through the ideal of the objective consumer guide/product tester who'd keep their biases in check to save you time
obv most music writing is bad, always has been, but that seems besidea the point. idk what impact or veracity you'd want to aim for exactly, it's all just helping ppl make sense of things, hear them differently. I think it's natural with anything you really love to notice all the senses in which it fails, all the paths it doesn't take and so on, the idea that negativity is some distinct part of the listening/critical process is nonsense
― ogmor, Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:14 (six years ago) link
On his side initially, but when he started off on how much he missed the tedious "bootings" of Johnny Cigarettes etc. in the late 90s I lost all sympathy for his argument - it was that sort of thing that put me off music journalism for a decade. I have literally never read one of these "bootings" which is not just an ego trip for the writer to show off his stock of elaborate synonyms for "this is bad, I didn't like it"
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:22 (six years ago) link
i mean, your points here are a lot more thoughtful and reasoned than someone talking about "bootings" etc in such an aggrandising and childish way.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:30 (six years ago) link
In these unsteady times, the role of the critic in rocking the boat is more – not less – important. Contemporary trends in advertising and the corporate hollowing out of the media are so dire that in a decade you, the reader and consumer of music, are likely to be faced by an endless spew of clickbait and commercialised dross. It is our responsibility as critics to join the rearguard action against the age of beige, to call out its musical enablers, and start fighting back.
i mean... ffs. yeah cos otherwise we sheeple will be brainwashed by the media men. seriously - imagine having that level of self-importance.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link
likely to be faced by an endless spew of clickbait and commercialised dross
what does this actually mean? "faced by" - ie it exists. "an endless spew" - on... sites i don't read? doesn't seem endless.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link
this is "i don't like pop" volume 2,000,000 and that obvious vibe undermines anything thoughtful that could be said, ogmor much more reasonable on here tho
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:37 (six years ago) link
I think lgs and ogmors good thoughts on things above are separate to the real issue
Music writing is or may be ok but music writers are bad and should not exist
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:55 (six years ago) link
I was pondering this last night, while drunk.
Or, rather, I was pondering someone's response to it (before I'd read the actual piece).
I find Mr Agreeable style "bootings" a bit boring. I think the struggle is to say something is *okay* (and to engage with it in an interesting way) rather than declare it as great. I do wonder if there's been a slight shift towards positive reviews (that I get to read) because people are quite attached to the idea of free music (from PRs).
I was also reminded how irritating I find it when people tweet their positive reviews to the artist (which I think leaves you in a position of having to write a positive review because you want to tweet the artist).
― djh, Saturday, 29 July 2017 10:59 (six years ago) link
I've lost count of how many vitriolic Charlie Brooker style "this made me want to rip off my own testicles and eat them" rants I've read in my life. They're always the same and they're always so boring and they always end up telling you more about the writer's own biases and viewpoints than anything insightful about the work.
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 29 July 2017 11:58 (six years ago) link
I've never heard negative reviews referred to as "bootings" before, but this article is completely OTM. When was the last real "booting"? The Jet review of the gorilla pissing into its own mouth?
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:05 (six years ago) link
modern life is snrubbish
― mark s, Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
this is "i don't like pop" volume 2,000,000 and that obvious vibe undermines anything thoughtful that could be said
nonsense. Most of the music luke takes down is boring indie approved shit.
― Odysseus, Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link
it's all pop
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link