C/D: Sonic Youth - Washing Machine

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I've never heard it.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

has a great shangri-la's like track w/kelly deal from the breeders.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

KILL YOURSELF NYC DOUCHEBAG

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

GREAT record. Made me a total believer again after the nightmare of Dirty / EJST&NS.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing wrong with "Dirty" or "Goo." "Experimental Jet Set..." isn't particularly great, though. At any rate, "Washing Machine" is a fine album, probably their best one in the post-"Daydream Nation" era.

vartman (novaheat), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

classic. they kind of 'cleaned up' their sound on WM and have more or less stuck with it since.

one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Diamond Sea" alone makes it worth it. Totally epic. One of SY's greatest songs.

Also, I've always loved the amazing "meta" uber-reflexive cover featuring pimply Lollapalooza teens wearing SY "washing machine" t-shirts.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

do you think they'll release a deluxe edition?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I like "Becuz," "Unwind," "Panty Lies" and "The Diamond Sea."

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Jet Set is seriously underrated, specially round these here parts. WM is, if anything, just a little too consistent, until it peaks in such spectacular fashion at the end, changing up from solid SY to classic.

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i think poortheatre is fucking with us

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Ive never seen anybody anywhere write something long and in depth on jet set. Id love to see a HUGE essay on it.

lfjkflk, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i've never heard it either. looks like we see eye to eye. or did you mean to ask a question?

Robin Samples (Robin Samples), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a fantastic record. Great stuff.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Jet Set is probably my least favorite album of theirs.

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Boo. That record is great, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Except for "Winner's Blues and "Starfield Road" I hated EJSTNS so much that, apart from those and "Bull in the Heather" I've basically only heard it like twice, ten or so years ago. Maybe I'll give it another try sometime. I dunno.

Where is the love for the title track on Washing Machine? "Honey, here's a quarter. Go put it in the washing machine."
And then I looked up at her...I looked up...

xero (xero), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Ive never seen anybody anywhere write something long and in depth on jet set. Id love to see a HUGE essay on it.

i love love love that album unreservedly... washing machine is great though, especially the longer tracks, and the guitars on 'unwind'

foxy boxer (stevie), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Washing Machine is a great record and I dont see why Dirty and Experimental jet set... gets panned by some.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

So, as a really huge fan, can I say, um, DUD? A crucial transition, sure: A Thousand Leaves is a better realized album. I play this all the time and remember nothing but "The Diamond Sea."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"the diamond sea" was my SY initiation. classic.

turboalbino (haitch), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I've always loved the amazing "meta" uber-reflexive cover featuring pimply Lollapalooza teens wearing SY "washing machine" t-shirts.

I've always liked that the shirts were autographed by Thalia and Chris from Come.

I like the album enough, but don't include me as a "Diamond Sea" fan. I saw them perform it live at Lollapalooza that year, and was blown away by it, but the recorded version just did not get a decent transition from noise to Thurston's vocal return at all. And the vocal melody is "Wouldn't It Be Nice" by the Beach Boys, which is a much better song.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Totally Classic, one of my favorite SY records. Becuz, Ranaldo's Saucer-like (which quotes The Byrd's guitarline from 8 miles high), Little Trouble Girl, The Diamond Sea. All great stuff.

Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the vocals on this record can get pretty annoying. The sheer *tones* of the guitars are amazingly beautiful, though.

xavier mcshane (xave), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

you're all OTM. one of my favorite SY records. someone gimme a vinyl compy so i can be a jerkoff. did it ever come out on LP? i love these songs: becuz, the diamond sea, saucer-like, skip tracer, washing machine (which has some intentionally brutal vocals but descends into gorgeous guitar jamz), little trouble girl...

fuckin classic.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

fucking great that record...

saucer like is almost perfect one of my favorite lee tracks (which i tend to favor in general)

I'll stand up for EJTSN, but not this am....maybe i'll try and write up an essay while im an invalid next week.

bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got about 7 Sonic Youth records that are their best one in the post-Daydream Nation era.

It's so crazy.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, no one will ever agree. I probably likeDirty, A Thousand Leaves, and Sonic Nurse the best.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

someone gimme a vinyl compy so i can be a jerkoff. did it ever come out on LP?

Yup, a double vinyl record. I don't know if it was ever actually released on vinyl in the US, though, as I bought my copy in the fall of '95, and it was on Geffen/BMG UK.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

washing machine (which has some intentionally brutal vocals but descends into gorgeous guitar jamz)

YES. Except I'd say it ascends, not descends; whatever; anyway "gorgeous" is right.

has a great shangri-la's like track w/kelly deal from the breeders.

It's Kim Deal on "Little Trouble Girl," not Kelley; important to note as it constitutes yet more evidence for Kim D's rulingness.

Alfred, which do you prefer, Washing Machine or Experimental Jet Set?

xero (xero), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Or rather, which do you hate less?

xero (xero), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

1995: I used to sit on the carpet of the cookie-cutter apartment I shared with my roommate, reading letters from a girl in New York City and listening to Washing Machine. Like Vic, I heard "Diamond Sea" at Lollapolooza and was blown away by it. However, I liked the recorded version okay as well.

In fact, by the time I was driving into New York City to see that girl who had been writing me the letters, it was "Diamond Sea" that was on my tape deck that night as I came around that curve on the NJ Turnpike and saw the Manhattan skyline for the first time.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't own EJSTN, xero.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

You're not missing much.

xero (xero), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"Diamond Sea" is a great song but it was the prototype for the new, boring Sonic Youth, so for that I hate it. "Little Trouble Girl" is pretty awesome though. I don't really remember the rest of the album at all, but I remember the way the CD inlay felt and smelled.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

new, boring Sonic Youth

*sputters*

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It's true. I don't like any post-Dirty Sonic Youth, and I don't like Goo much either.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

DID I BLOW YOUR MIND?

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, Goo is overrated.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, that's an exaggeration. EJST&NS and Washing Machine each have some good songs but are kind of a mess, Thousand Leaves and NYC G&F are dull, and SY+O'Rourke is totally overrated tedium.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I care way more about EJST, Washing Machine, and Sonic Nurse than I do about Sister or Evol.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

YR LOSS BRO

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm convinced that "Shadow of a Doubt" was SY's peak, it's all been downhill since then.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a definite peak of their early stuff, I agree.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

peak of da early stuff = bad moon rising, specifically "i love her all the time"

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It is probably just me, as I was starting to listen to Krautrock when Washing Machine came out, but this album always seemed liked Sonic Youth going for a kosmische music sound with the extended freakout sections.

Either way, Washing Machine is the last Sonic Youth record that I really listened to over and over, unlike the albums that came after which I have given only a few listens then put on the shelf.

I still have never picked up the last one.

earlnash, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with jaymc. Though I really really like Sister, I care most for their nineties albums. And the O'Rourke stuff.

Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I care way more about EJST, Washing Machine, and Sonic Nurse than I do about Sister or Evol.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 7th, 2005.


Hear, hear!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Washing Machine is a decent enough record, but it doesn't rate terribly high w/me when compared to their truly classic stuff.

And I have to jump in on the EJSTANS argument: my favorite SY album, and one of my favorite albums, period. I don't know if that says anything about its objective quality, but I know that I love it.

And I know that you are WRONG if you do not also love it. WRONG.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

no idea what you're talking about
http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpf1/10388051_737073713020801_451066444_n.jpg
[across the street from the venue last night]

tylerw, Thursday, 26 June 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link

Did anyone go to this last night?
http://www.strandbooks.com/event/raymond-pettibon-kim-gordon

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 June 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link

If I saw Thurston with an iPuff my enthusiasm for SY would wane a little I must admit.

grandavis, Thursday, 26 June 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

yes but it's called THE VILLAGE GREEN SOCIETY, that's gotta count for something

polyamanita (sleeve), Thursday, 26 June 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link

all the different varieties.
but yeah those ipuff things seem to be popular. kids these days, back in my day etc.

tylerw, Thursday, 26 June 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link

http://instagram.com/p/pr32o_uT9L/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 June 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link

I think, having been a band for over 10 years at that point, the direction they went in with Washing Machine and then 1000 Leaves was pretty much the only one they could have gone. Release endless versions of Dirty by the mid late 90s? Go back to the Evol/Sister sound?. They had done that.

Master of Treacle, Friday, 27 June 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link

funny that people consider Washing Machine as the point where they turned into noodly free-jammers. For me WM is a transition point between these two phases. There are still quite a few Alterna Nation relics on it (eg. Little Trouble Girl, No Queen Blues, even Pantie Lies)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 27 June 2014 09:53 (nine years ago) link

Yeah No Queen Blues and Pantie Lies sound like they belong on EJSTANS

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

Hello 2015!

cerebral caustic window (cajunsunday), Thursday, 1 January 2015 01:09 (nine years ago) link

crazy

two months pass...

this record is so skinny

j., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link

really a whole gnarly ball of psychopathology and primitive interpersonal relationship dynamics tho huh, when was coco born

j., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

While some of the earlier albums maybe seem a little less consistently-great to me than they once did, my feelings about Washing Machine basically haven't changed since I first heard it: it's got, like, no spark, man. It's okay but it sounds like a contractual obligation, 'Compilation Blues' fleshed out to album length. Probably my least favorite SY album, truth be told.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link

I remember seeing them in a club soon after this record came out; getting crushed against the front of the stage at a random/unexpected moment; and saying afterward to a friend -- "Did a memo go out saying all the kids are supposed to go nuts when they play, like, 'Skip Tracer'?"

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

Not the best Sonic Youth album, but my favorite

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link

definitely one of my favourites, for the title track and diamond sea alone

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link

I saw Sonic Youth four times, three times were fairly average but the show in support of this LP was absolutely fantastic. Opened with Teenage Riot and closed with long version of The Diamond Sea.

umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:16 (five years ago) link

Yeah No Queen Blues and Pantie Lies sound like they belong on EJSTANS

― Immediate Follower (NA)

take these out and this is a perfect record imo.

sleeve, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:50 (five years ago) link

I loved Washing Machine when it came out and I love it now, and that's probably down to being 18 and seeing the band play almost the whole album lives around that time. But yeah, it retrospect, it could've lost maybe 2-3 songs and been even better. (Short version: NA OTM)

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link

My favorite too, though I have listened to it pretty sparingly in recent years compared to, say, Goo or even Experimental Jet Set, for the spry SY. Washing Machine has such a lovely dankness, though (...maybe not quite in the sense people meant "dank" at the time, thinking back to college).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link

I suspect there's a different track order that would make this album hold together better, but I haven't bothered to try.

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link

How can you dislike an album that has Little Trouble Girl and Diamond Sea on it ???

calstars, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 08:35 (five years ago) link

tbh I played it this morning and my 4yo stuck her fingers in her ears, shouted "I hate this music!" and demanded I put t Madness on

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:16 (five years ago) link

Saw them live the first time on this tour and Diamond Sea split my skull open and upgraded my hardware

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link

FTR, I don't dislike the album. I just find it...boring? rote? compared to most of the rest of their discography. NYC Ghosts is the only other one I can think of that I'm nearly as 'meh' about.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:24 (five years ago) link

One thing I will say for this album is it has a great cover.

underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link

I feel like the Washing Machine/A Thousand Leaves/SYR1-2 era might be my favorite Sonic Youth

silverfish, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link

I think it was after A Thousand Leaves that their gear was stolen which forced them to do a kind of reset, and they managed to make a really great album a couple of years later (Murray Street) but I wonder where they would have gone after A Thousand Leaves if they kept going on that same path.

silverfish, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link

Prob the SY album I got the most into. A bit uneven, yes (Panty Lines, Little Trouble Girl are to be skipped) but as a transition album it hits a nice equilibrium between the tautness of their previous stuff and the psych indulgences of the latter releases. The solos on the title track in particular are so warm and fuzzy.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 10:39 (five years ago) link

Gear theft was after NYC Ghosts, wasn’t it? Or was that the first with the new stuff?

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 10:49 (five years ago) link

Little Trouble Girl are to be skipped

you're a monster

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link

this is probably, on balance, my fave SY album

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

Gear theft was after NYC Ghosts, wasn’t it? Or was that the first with the new stuff?

The latter

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link

I kinda feel Sonic Nurse is the album they would have done after 1000 Leaves (ie more beautiful noodling) had they not be forced to readjust at that time

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link

Murray Street is the one!

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link

had this convo w/ a friend the other day. much prefer their direct songs and (relative) consonance over their skew-whiff, aimless, atonal meandering. sister takes the cake for me as far as most consistent LP.

meaulnes, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link

me too

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Also, I've always loved the amazing "meta" uber-reflexive cover featuring pimply Lollapalooza teens wearing SY "washing machine" t-shirts.

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:56 PM (thirteen years ago)

RIP

Daniel J. Barrett, 38, died Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at home. He was born in Springfield on November 19, 1980. Dan loved and enjoyed being with his family. Dan had a deep and profound love for his only child, Ashley, he passed on his love of reading to her. Through the years they shared some special times together. He was a loving and caring son to his mother and had a dedicated bond with his brother, Timothy. He loved to cook and was employed at numerous restaurants around Western Massachusetts. Dan moved to the Boston area where he continued his passion for cooking as a chef as well as teaching under privileged youth. Dan's last employment was as an instructor at a Christian School in Jamaica Plains, Massachusetts. Dan also enjoyed reading, playing video games, and telling jokes. Dan loved making other people laugh including impromptu stand up at local clubs. Dan had a great love of writing, he was a prolific and talented writer who received awards for some of his short stories. He loved to play music, especially guitar and bass, he even performed in several local bands. Dan’s personal claim to fame was being featured on Sonic Youth’s album cover Washing Machine. He was an avid sports fan and especially liked the Patriots and Red Sox. He leaves a daughter Ashley Geary of Little Elm, TX, his mother Kim (Leary) Vuelta of Westfield, His brother Timothy Barrett and spouse Janea Barrett of Westfield, his sister Christine (Barrett) Bieda and spouse Nathan Bieda of Chicopee, stepfather Mike Vuelta of Westfield, step brothers Jason Vuelta and companion Samantha Dick of West Southbrook, MA, Corey Vuelta and spouse Natasha Vuelta of Phoenix, AZ, Matt Barth and spouse Laura Barth of Holland, MA, maternal grandmother Joyce(Renaud) Leary of Westfield and his girlfriend Sarah Parker of West Roxbury, MA. Dan was predeceased by his father David Barret and his grandparents James and Eleanor (Sheehan) Barrett and Thomas Joseph Leary. Dan also leaves behind a large family including aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, nieces, and friends in both Western Massachusetts and Boston. The funeral will be held on Wednesday, April 24th at 7 pm from the Firtion-Adams Funeral Service, 76 Broad Street, Westfield, MA. Burial will be private. Calling hours will be held at the funeral home on Wednesday from 4-7 pm before the service. In lieu of flowers, please consider donating to a memorial fund for Dan’s daughter Ashely Geary. Donations may be mailed to 1109 Lake Hollow Drive, Little Elm, TX 75068. Firtionadams.com

Published in The Republican on Apr. 23, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link

Bummer

flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 00:24 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I first saw them on this tour and had a Kiss The Stone bootleg of that German show for years. It is fantastic - Washing Machine and Diamond Sea are astonishing live.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Saturday, 26 September 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

HELLO 2015!!!!!!

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link

that song is so great

the band he talks about is Mecca Normal

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

I wish they they had included more ‘Skip Tracer’-type stuff on their 90s-and beyond material

I think that it would have opened up that era of the band in terms of bringing back many of those who stopped paying attention after Goo (to me, there’s a direct lineage from a lot of the stuff on Bad Moon Rising and ‘In The Kingdom #19’ to ‘Skip Tracer’)

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link

What do you mean by "'Skip Tracer'-type stuff"? There are still a number of tracks with spoken word over dissonant guitars on those albums, I think?

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link

but not Lee's, I don't think

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link

Title track of "NYC Ghosts and Flowers" is probably the closest.

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:06 (three years ago) link

There is, but I don’t think a lot of that stuff is as interesting in terms of integrating the talking with a pop-rock structure. Skip Tracer is SY doing something interesting within that 3-4 minute side of the band, whereas a lot of the things they were doing at that point were more a case of “somewhat conventional rock-pop with noise bit in middle”, or “relatively ambient track with spoken word interlude”

I think a lot of those Geffen albums are really good but I don’t think the marriage of those elements above were that common; if they were, it was more incidental, or a part of something much longer (ie not in a 4 min tune)

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link

Ah, yeah, I see what you mean.

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link


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