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December 25, 2005 N.Y. Times
An Atlanta Rapper's Sluggish Rasp
By KELEFA SANNEH
1. YOUNG JEEZY: 'LET'S GET IT: THUG MOTIVATION 101' (Corporate Thugz Entertainment/Island Def Jam). On his mesmerizing major-label debut, this Atlanta rapper reels off slow-motion rhymes; he pauses whenever he feels like it for one of his famous interjections, often a low, guttural, "Yeeeeah." Despite the shameless jokes ("I'm emotional, I hug the block") and dopeman boasts hidden in plain sight, this is sly, insinuative music. Young Jeezy's sluggish rasp evokes both a ruthlessness no one can touch and a weariness no one can cure.

2. THE HOLD STEADY: 'SEPARATION SUNDAY' (French Kiss). It doesn't sound promising: a beefed-up bar band led by a singer who'd rather tell stories. And yet "Separation Sunday" is a triumph, propelled by meaty guitar riffs and an even meatier story line. Craig Finn speaks and shouts the lyrics, which pay loving tribute to lives twisted or redeemed (or both) by punk rock and Catholicism: "He said, 'I've got to the part about the Exodus/ And up to then I only knew it was a movement of the people/ But if small-town cops are like swarms of flies/ And blackened foil is like boils and hail/ I'm pretty sure I've been through this before.' "

3. MARIAH CAREY: 'THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI' (Island Def Jam). In which our heroine discovers the small difference between a flop and blockbuster. With slightly better songwriting and better-chosen beats, Ms. Carey created one of the year's most irresistible albums, reminding everyone how versatile she can be. Whether she's fluttering around the rhythm or doing her breathy belting, "Mimi" is gloriously overstuffed with hits, could-be-hits and might-yet-become-hits.

4. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE: 'FEELS' (Fat Cat). Is this their idea of make-out music? On "Feels," the playful, inventive members of Animal Collective make some of their lushest, most decipherable music so far. The album revolves around an astonishing eight-minute composition called "Banshee Beat," which starts out serene, slowly builds into a shivery indie-rock song and then, just as mysteriously, retreats, as the flickering rhythm fades.

5. THREE 6 MAFIA: 'MOST KNOWN UNKNOWN' (Sony Urban). One of the year's most fearsome hip-hop albums is also one of the most sensual. DJ Paul and Juicy J, the producer-rappers who lead this veteran crew, love sound for sound's sake; the tracks are full of warped human voices, eerie minor-key synthesizers, woozy snippets of old soul songs, even (on one track) an ersatz harpsichord.

6. FEIST, 'LET IT DIE' (Cherry Tree/Interscope). This Canadian singer and songwriter can do whatever she wants; on this short, impossibly elegant album, that's what she does. She spends the first half of "Let It Die" singing her own sublime songs, and the second half singing other people's; turns out her Bee Gees is as strong as her Blossom Dearie.

7. MY MORNING JACKET, 'Z' (ATO/RCA). Finally, this Kentucky group creates the sprawling, digressive, rhythmically skewed, occasionally jam-band-ish, briefly reggae-fied, weirdly serene neo-Southern rock experiment fans didn't know they'd been waiting for.

8. KEYSHIA COLE, 'THE WAY IT IS' (A&M). Tougher than your average rapper and more heartsick than your average emo band, Ms. Cole is a great R&B singer who knows that lovers usually wind up being fighters, too. She doesn't always win, but she loses fiercely, whether replying to a Jay-Z track (in "You've Changed") or feeling sorry she's got nothing to feel sorry about ("I Should Have Cheated").

9. LIL WAYNE, 'THA CARTER II' (Cash Money/Universal). This young New Orleans rapper has been a star for about a decade. His fifth album is an impressive grab bag, and in his odd, croaky voice he boasts about a city other people would rather mourn: "The heart of New Orleans, thumping and beating/ Living and breathing, stealing and feeding/ Peeling and leaving, killing and grieving."

10. LEE ANN WOMACK, 'THERE'S MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM' (MCA Nashville). An old-fashioned album full of weepers, from a country-pop singer who's clever enough to underplay her strong hand. She doesn't need to wail: there's barely a song here that wouldn't - or doesn't - sound great coming out of a car radio or a jukebox.

Top Songs:

Mariah Carey featuring Jadakiss and Styles P, "We Belong Together (Desert Storm Remix)" (Island Def Jam)

Damian Marley, "Welcome to Jamrock" (Tuff Gong/Universal)

Kelly Clarkson, "Since U Been Gone" (RCA/Sony BMG)

Ying Yang Twins, "Wait (The Whisper Song)" (TVT)

Gary Allan, "Best I Ever Had" (MCA Nashville)

Copyright 2005The New York Times Company

December 25, 2005
Fiona Apple Gets It on the Second Try
By JON PARELES
1. FIONA APPLE: 'EXTRAORDINARY MACHINE' (Epic). Take 2 of this long-awaited, prematurely leaked album is the keeper. On the finished album, a little bit of Jon Brion's surreal cabaret orchestration brackets the newer stripped-down, focused versions of the songs. Ms. Apple continues her obsessive self-examination and convoluted thoughts of betrayal and regret, but now adds something: enough distance for some wry perspective.

2. M.I.A.: 'ARULAR' (Interscope). The means are modest: singsong choruses that could be playground chants, sparse tracks made with sounds from cheap synthesizers and drum machines. But the ambitions of M.I.A., a refugee from the civil war in Sri Lanka who went to art school in London, are huge and largely fulfilled on "Arular," her debut album. The raps glance at violence, displacement, lust and determination in tracks that are irresistibly, incessantly danceable.

3. SHAKIRA: 'FIJACIóN ORAL VOL. 1' (Epic). This is pop 2005: catchy songs about love found and (even better) lost that casually toss together reggaetón, bossa nova, Colombian cumbia, chanson and half a dozen varieties of rock, for starters. It all suits a voice that can be insouciant, sultry or desperately impassioned, and a songwriter whose globe-hopping comes naturally.

4. SUFJAN STEVENS: 'ILLINOIS' (Asthmatic Kitty). Songs about significant events and characters in Illinois - the second of the 50 states Mr. Stevens plans to write albums about - are at once grandly orchestrated, homespun and emotionally resonant. With his large supporting cast, Mr. Stevens finds ways to take history personally.

5. THE FRAMES: 'BURN THE MAPS' (Anti-). If Radiohead had a love life but stayed just as bleak, it would sound like the Frames on this album of heartsick, craggy, majestic rock songs that never trade drama for melodrama.

6. BRIGHT EYES: 'DIGITAL ASH IN A DIGITAL URN' (Saddle Creek). Conor Oberst, a k a Bright Eyes, released two albums simultaneously in 2005: the folk-rocking "I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning" and the far more electronic "Digital Ash in a Digital Urn." Both are among the year's best albums. Yet where "Wide Awake" simply adds to Mr. Oberst's stockpile of brilliantly observed songs about personal matters like ambition and casual sex, "Digital Ash" uses its ricocheting, disembodied sounds to contemplate time, war, death and the meaning of life.

7. BETTYE LAVETTE: 'I'VE GOT MY OWN HELL TO RAISE' (Anti-). It seems all too conceptual to have a 59-year-old soul-music trouper sing a collection of songs by women. But Ms. LaVette's flinty voice and lean, bluesy, cannily arranged band tear into every song, turning old wounds into tokens of survival.

8. STEPHEN MALKMUS: 'FACE THE TRUTH' (Matador). Three albums after the breakup of Pavement, his definitive 1990's indie-rock band, Stephen Malkmus remains waywardly alternative. His lyrics fling aperçus at life, art and commerce, while his tunes melt down the old verse-chorus-verse, deploy banjos and wobbly synthesizers, amble off on jam-band tangents, plunge into garage-rock or do the acoustic tango. He's as smart as he is mercurial.

9. KONONO NO. 1: 'CONGOTRONICS' (Crammed Discs). Take traditional, polyrhythmic thumb-piano trance music from Congo, plinking away in dizzying syncopated patterns. To crank it up for big outdoor parties, run it through buzzy pickups and amplifiers made from, among other things, scavenged car parts. The result is electric Minimalism that's exuberant and relentless, changing from percolating to hypnotic to a tingle that reaches deep into the nervous system.

10. SLEATER-KINNEY: 'THE WOODS' (Sub Pop). Distortion is everywhere on "The Woods," Sleater-Kinney's seventh album, and it brings a nervy intensity to songs already worked up. With just two guitars, drums and Corin Tucker's banshee wail, Sleater-Kinney can sound as immense as a metal band and as bristling and unkempt as their indie-rock beginnings. Singing about love and war, truth and spectacle, the trio still plays as if everything were at stake.

Top Songs:

Bruce Springsteen: "Devils & Dust"

Amerie: "1 Thing"

Irma Thomas: "Back Water Blues"

Miranda Lambert: "Kerosene"

Kanye West: "Gold Digger"

Copyright 2005The New York Times Company

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

One more:

December 25, 2005 N.Y. Times
Two Generations of Coltrane
By BEN RATLIFF
1. "THELONIOUS MONK QUARTET WITH JOHN COLTRANE AT CARNEGIE HALL" (BLUE NOTE) Every musician on this newly found recording, of a 1957 fund-raising concert, is dead. But before its chance discovery this year, the only people who had ever heard it were those in attendance, -so we'll count it as new. And what do you know? Articulated and crisply recorded, the album isn't just a collection of persistent ideals in jazz - with clarity of melody and rhythm, lovely groove (the crisply swinging, underrecorded Shadow Wilson is the drummer) and constant surprise in the moving harmonies - but a fantastically pleasurable record. Coltrane, like a manic pipe-fitter, connects one winding, original lick to another, yet nothing can overturn the comfortable sense of space in Monk's brilliant compositions: a breeze blows through them.

2. PEDRO LUIS FERRER: "RUSTICO" (ESCONDIDA) A Cuban singer-songwriter and an adept at the tres (the Cuban guitar) pares down his sound, enlists his daughter (Lena of the fine, clear, full soprano) and presents 13 chiming concentrations of beauty.

3. RAVI COLTRANE: "IN FLUX" (SAVOY JAZZ) In this quartet's sound lies an index of contemporary jazz in New York, making sense of great stylistic swaths: ballads both rubato and fixed-time, tricky rhythm cycles, free improvising. This is a record that is impressively impatient with overused song structures. And in his own saxophone sound, Mr. Coltrane is moving toward authority.

4. MIGUEL ZENON: "JIBARO" (MARSALIS MUSIC) The saxophonist's best record yet, and more proof of an imposingly organized mind, as he meditates on the rural musicians of Puerto Rico and adapts their melodies and rhythm schemes to his tightly wound version of new jazz.

5. CHARLES LLOYD: "JUMPING THE CREEK" (ECM) It can grow wispy and long-winded, at an indulgent length and with the thin-toned empathy of Mr. Lloyd's saxophone playing. But as the record turns into spontaneous duets and mutating vamps - this is Mr. Lloyd's best band in years - it also carries the disorienting thrills of the best new jazz.

6. DEERHOOF: "THE RUNNERS FOUR" (KILL ROCK STARS) A rock band so truculently unpredictable, and using such old-fashioned firepower in its rhythm section, that an explanation won't do; you have to feel its physical and intellectual bite.

7. GUILLERMO KLEIN: "UNA NAVE" (SUNNYSIDE) An Argentine now living in Barcelona, Mr. Klein is a large-ensemble jazz composer with strong, highly appealing notions about rhythm and instrumentation, none easily come by. Whether he appears to be drawing from boleros, baroque music, ragas or Wayne Shorter, he's risking a bit, and going after the transcendental moment.

8. JENNY SCHEINMAN: "12 SONGS" (CRYPTOGRAMOPHONE) She's a musician with soul: she can kill you with just tone and feeling in four bars of a Gershwin ballad - which she does, regularly, at Barbes in Brooklyn. But "12 Songs" shows Ms. Scheinman at her best as a composer, seeking out New World styles, from blues to jazz to country to calypso, and neatly connecting them.

9. PAUL MOTIAN-JOE LOVANO-BILL FRISELL TRIO: "I HAVE THE ROOM ABOVE HER" (ECM) Just drums, saxophone and guitar, and after more than 20 years they've become a golden spigot. Turn it on, and presto: the ideal balance between song form and the absence thereof.

10. EDWARD SIMON: "SIMPLICITAS" (CRISS CROSS) Analogous to the Ravi Coltrane record above, in its fresh start on the problem of how to build a contemporary jazz record - there are serial reworkings of several pieces here, attacked with different strategies- the Venezuelan pianist's new album leans more toward tightly arranged group interaction, lighter-toned ballads and Latin rhythm.

Top songs:

John Coltrane: "One Down, One Up" (Impulse)

Bobby Bare: "Are You Sincere" (Dualtone)

Kanye West Featuring Paul Wall and GLC: "Drive Slow" (Universal)

Shakira: "Dia Especial" (Epic)

Konono No. 1: "Masikulu" (Crammed Discs)

Copyright 2005The New York Times Company

curmudgeon Steve (Steve K), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't get the widespread love for Shakira. Well, I didn't listen to the whole album, but based on what I've heard, I don't get it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

I like the Shakira album (at least vol. 1, I still haven't heard vol. 2), but it was a distant runner-up for my top 10. As far as Latina pop goes, I like the Ha-Ash album a whole lot more.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, I was getting mixed up between Vol. 1 and 2. Vol. 1 at least had some interesting moments. (I kind of liked La Tortura.) But the Anglo one leaves me cold.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

That Pedro Luis Ferrer cd adds some pop to its folk, which makes it more than just singer/songwriter stuff.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Descarga.com (who include it on their 2005 Best Of) describes it this way:

Pedro Luis Ferrer
Rústico
CD (Escondida 6507), Released 2005;
Editor's Pick:
These little perfect records come out of nowhere. Who knew that Ferrer could pull of a feat that combines precise, intelligent songwriting, a great sense for instrumentation, a great performance and a tremendous recording? Anyway, he did it, mixing small percussion, marimbula various string instruments and thick coros. Each instrument rings clearly; it’s like being on stage with the group. And his daughter, Lena, sings both in the coros and as a soloist, and she sports a paint peeling potential that’s also amazingly intimate. The songs are somewhere in between nueva trova, folk pop and traditional Cuban son, all thrown together in a way that suggests overwhelming intelligence. Ferrer is funny as a songwriter, and clever and ironic; it’s all gotten him in trouble with the Cuban government; he speaks his mind. This one gets played over and over around here…

Category: Salsa/Son => Son, Guaracha, Guajira => Cuba

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone like that Mariah album as much as K.S.?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

Not too many folks in the pop/rock critic community love it as much as he does(although individual singles get lots of love from many--including me), although my nieces all wanted it for Chanukah--we'll see if they love the whole thing...

Kelefah loves that Lil' Wayne cd a ton, as do many others here. I have mixed thoughts on it--I love the sound of his voice and the way he often stretches words and varies his intonation, plus I think the music and beats are top-notch, but too often he relies on tired ol' uses of the words bitch, fuck, and nigga.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)

Listened to the Monk and Coltrane CD over at my parents yesterday and it's very very nice.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 26 December 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe I like a band called 'My Morning Jacket.'

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

fuck kelefah - what a lame list

hahaahah, Monday, 26 December 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Kelefah's list is great!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 December 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard Lee Ann Womack, Feist beyond that one single, or Animal Collective so I can't say what I think of his list for sure, but I'm surprised @ no Houston and I wish I'd voted for Mariah. The Keyshia album is good too.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone like that Mariah album as much as K.S.?

i like it a whole lot.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

"We Belong Together" is perfection.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Man, I wish I had gone to see that Guillermo Klein more when he was based in NYC.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Monday, 26 December 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

keeflah's list is a fucking joke. Young Jeezy? Mariah Carey? ridiculous.

Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

No credibility.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Feist was 2004.

thyuh, Monday, 26 December 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Will everyone please learn to spell Kelefa's name right? I mean, it's RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

Sincerely,

Mr. Grumpy

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

ratliff has the only interesting list and i doubt i'd like any of it outside of the monk/trane.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Any man who can write passionately about My Morning Jacket, Lee Ann Womack, Mariah Carey, and Animal Collective deserves his high-paying job.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm very happy to see Jenny Scheinman on Ratliff's list. I like that record a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

keeflah's list is a fucking joke.

Anyone who endlessly posts shit like this in these list threads is a fucking joke.

Oh yeah, that's most of you.

dickhead, Monday, 26 December 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Any man who can write passionately about My Morning Jacket, Lee Ann Womack, Mariah Carey, and Animal Collective deserves his high-paying job.

i hear this

also, start paying me

Rizz (Rizz), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Ratliff's list looks like it has a bunch of stuff I'd enjoy actually; I like it more than Kelefa's if only because the stuff I haven't heard I'm interested in hearing.

Particularly: PAUL MOTIAN-JOE LOVANO-BILL FRISELL TRIO: "I HAVE THE ROOM ABOVE HER" and CHARLES LLOYD: "JUMPING THE CREEK"

Which both sound awesome.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Kelefa's is just too eerily close to mine in some ways tho.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Obv he is BITING ME.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

I saw Charles Lloyd at the Chicago Jazz festival. One of the best performances ever. I think Billy Higgins was playing for him then, just before he died?

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

so is ratliff's list
BETTER coz "interesting"?
or does that matter?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

and for my money
charles lloyd = overrated
but still beautiful,

and that ferrer disc
is adorbz but does not stand
repeated playings

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Shakira's "Don't Bother" is pretty great (it sounds like late-80s Cher - think the aircraft carrier video - but good) - do the Spanish versions translate exactly (music-wise), or are they different mixes/songs?

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

any list that's different from mine obviously sucks.

seeing how i'm a moron and all.

delong ha ha ha, Monday, 26 December 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I think the two Shakira albums are almost all different, except for one or two translated songs.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah and those two songs
are not exactly carbons
of th'originals

some songs in vol. 2
sneak in riffs from vol. 1 songs
if you're trainspotting

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

'better' = I'm more interested in reading it because I've heard none of them but I'm interested in hearing them/ other jazz recommends. Charles Lloyd may be overrated, I only own Forest Flower but I enjoy it.

Kelefa's is good too. Just slightly more predictable to me.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

ratliff's = i approach something like personal taste

kelefa's = i am living blog strawman

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 December 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

How familiar are you w this year's overrated jazz albums, jess?

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

about as much as you are, i'd wager.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

I mean, not that I'm saying Ratliff's reflects that, neccessarily. Just speaking from my own perspective i see where yr coming from but I don't really have enough context re: jazz in 2005 to suggest his is any more reflective of 'personal taste' than it is 'jazz strawman.' I mean the Monk/Trane record is like the most hyped jazz item this year right?

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

There are other circle jerks etc.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

any other circle jerk is more interesting at this point. a list of nothing but twee or hard techno or obscure finnish garage revivalists.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Somebody chart Corey Clark or Diana DeGarmo(released '04/impacted '05!) -- PLEASE!

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

these list threads are pretty much a glimpse into the abyss of miserable fucking haterdom that is apparently almost every music critic's mind. crabs in a barrel doesn't come close.

dickhead, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

Ratliff wrote a pretty good piece last week about the Trane/Monk thing, taking an, erm, anti-jazzist view of it. Basically saying that its greatness is telling not because there aren't as many great jazz players as there used to be but because they don't have as many places to play, nurture a band, etc. Let's see if I can find it... yeah, here.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

that is indeed a good piece. also: a listening party/session at the library of congress!! that is totally punk rock! i am jealous.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Jess aren't we all living blog strawmen at this point?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

We are the hollow men
We are the blog strawmen
Leaning together
Top 10's filled with crap

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

that piece (the ratliff one on trane/monk) surprised me, because in the first few paragraphs he declared the live recording a "masterpiece," and my b.s. detector started to flutter, but then the rest of the piece was good and offered some interesting reasoning behind the judgement.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

top tens are so impossible. i don't even know ten albums from 2005. and if i did, how does one go about making a list? cut them some slack; it's something i'm guessing their editors required them to write.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

I can only imagine that the Trane/Monk thing puts jazz critics in an awkward position in making a top 10 list. Unless you're willing to argue that something else this year actually happened to be better than a good recording of a great concert of Trane and Monk in their prime -- which I'm sure there must be some people willing to do, but probably not many -- then you're stuck either making it an oh-so-obvious number one or excluding it altogether on technical grounds (i.e. not a contemporary recording). I'd like to see a list that put it at No. 2 or 3, just to see what got put above it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

said it befo I'll say it again: YAY Kelefa!

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Kelefa's is just too eerily close to mine in some ways tho.

-- deej.. (clublonel...), December 26th, 2005 3:43 PM. (deej..) (later) (link)

Obv he is BITING ME.

-- deej.. (clublonel...), December 26th, 2005 3:44 PM. (deej..) (later) (link)

My EXACT first thought upon looking at the NYT yesterday afternoon at my uncle's house: "Wow, I bet Drake will feel validated!"

Then I got into an argument with my brother about the use/usefulness of criticism.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

No one has said anything about Ratliff putting Deerhoof on his list! I don't read BR's stuff very often, so I don't if this is something he's talked about before or not. Even if he has, it's interesting: at first I was like, "wait, can he do that?" and then "well, of course he can, it's not the NYT top 10 jazz albums, it's Ben Ratliff's top 10 list." Sort of like how Alex Ross has his token pop favorites (Missy, Radiohead, Bjork, etc.) -- I'm always interested in what appeals to non-pop fans about the pop they do like.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

At least one other mainly-jazz critic voted for Deerhoof in Pazz and Jop. I'm not allowed to reveal names, but I thought that was kind of interesting, that both said critic and Ratiff voted for it.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

xhuxk, are the hip-hop critics still in love with Fiona Apple?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)


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