How come, unlike in "rock", heroin is rarely mentioned in hiphop ?

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or so it seems.

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just wondering that while reading the thread about heroin/crack/coke...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does black people never like to nod?

― Sorry-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Why doesn't black people ever want to schmack?

not so original xpost.

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Half-assed attempt at a serious answer with plenty o' generalizations (or maybe just one):
When hip hop talks about crack, it's not usually talking about using it, it's usually talking about selling it.
When ROCK talks about heroin, it's usually talking about how much it loves to sidle up beside death.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Whereas hip hop gets its Death-Love on via guns.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

H'mmmm, there's any number of Nas and Raekwon songs that mention 'heron' (with the latter syllable pronounced like the name 'Ron'), which I always thought meant heroin.

― M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a generalisation, of course, but it seems there's a "glamourisation" of it in rock that's not in hiphop (which is weird cos both talk about alcohol, cocaine, weed, Es, etc.).

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Gil Scott

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

50 Cent - "It's A Baltimore Love Thing"

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Also maybe because heroin is for spoiled rich white kids.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - Girl Scout Heroin!

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, though weren't a bunch of the Cash Money dudes, or at least one of them, on heroin?? like the...uh...guy that isn't Manny Fresh or Juvenile or Lil Wayne or Baby...that guy!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

my life is droppin heron, at the sharon, lookin death dead on, knowin i was dead wrong

― $#@!!!, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

BG! duh! google search:

From what I know, it seems you’ve had to overcome some rough spots in your life.
I had a heroin addiction. I used to shoot heroin. I started getting loaded when I was 15-16. In July, it will be two years that I’ve been clean. I got a son. He looks up to me and he respects me to the highest. My daddy got killed when I was 12 years old so my mom was stuck raising two boys by herself. When you’re in the ghetto, in the hood, a single parent raising two boys it’s kind of hard on you. So the streets took me under, adopted me and I got caught up. The shit I’ve been through, the shit I’ve seen made me the man I am today. You got to go through stuff. Experience is the best teacher. I wouldn’t trade my past for nothing. I’m glad I went through it because it got me to where I’m at. I feel like I overcame with faith and positive people around me. I got to be here for some reason because I should be in penitentiary or dead or something.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm very proud of you for overcoming yr horse habit, Matt.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I couldn't have done it without you, Huk. Yr my rock.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

there wasn't much talk of ecstasy or LSD in hip-hop either, at least until this decade. it does seem a bit odd.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

that said, i think there's more mention of alcohol in hiphop/rnb than in rock these days.

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ecstasy wasn't popular in places outside of raves until the late '90s. And Missy was singing about it by then.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

but why not? this has probably been explored before but i don't recall a satisfactory explanation to hand.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Why doesn't Fitty want to feel happy sensations when people touch his nose?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Magic GLOW stick more like

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

actually what substances do "rockers" talk about nowadays !? thinking about the most famous english and american bands of the last years, i don't see any (but i'm not too familiar with their lyrics...).
hiphop/rnb would be various alcohols (champagnes, cognacs...), weed, Es, coke, crack...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

All rock musicians today are already too drunk on themselves.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Rockers are just now discovering Gin and Juice.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!
C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!
C-c-cocaine!
C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!

Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ectasy and Alcohol

C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!
C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!
C-c-cocaine!
C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!

C-c-c-c-c-cocaine!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Somebody post that Paul Wall clipping where he says that white boys are "more experimental"

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

damn, thought I finally gound a login name until this:

http://www.girlscoutheroin.com/bio.html

― dfnhfh (mookie wilson), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The Godfather of Soul has a GREAT anti-heroin track "King Heroin". Its a rap, too. No real singing. Could this be the proto-horse rap?

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Fellow Americans,
Lady Americans...

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.girlscoutheroin.com/bio.html

Early 90s college rock? YOU DON'T SAY!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

that "King Heroin" poem has been circulating among addicts for something like forty-plus years

― Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

man, king heroin is the coolest song

― ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ozonemag.com/may2005/600/A-pg28.jpg

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

" if and you shoot smack - I might too / i just wanna get high like you "
PROOF - D12 PURPLE PILLS

― toe-foo (toe-foo), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

whoops should be :
"and if you shoot smack - i might too"

― toe-foo (toe-foo), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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