They Phoned It In (another in an occasional series): Kristin Hersh: It's radikal! I'm giving away my maybe shitty EP for free!

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Thursdays are always the day for the Los Angeles Times' Weekend Calendar tabloid. And the tabloid, music-wise, always caters to the imagined readership that is assumed to want to know something interesting about musicians, but fundamentally those always thought to be good for your brain cells. They are generally collegiate, pseudo-collegiate or post-collegiate, playing at Spaceland or some similar whitebread Bohemia, well-spoken, easy to portray as thoughtful and eager. In other words, exemplary chit-chat material that none of the people doing the chit-chatting listen to or would pay for.

So it makes a lot of sense for "Can't Contain Her Free Spirit: There's no charge for the latest EP by Kristin Hersh and her trio, 50 Foot Wave." The article is built upon the simpleminded conceit that giving your music away is a radical notion. Of course, the tens of thousands of bands on-line giving away albums and EP loads of material away everyday is somewhat inconvenient to the thrust and novelty of the thing so it's done away with for the duration.

"It's kind of an unpopular argument, that musicians shouldn't make money," says the Altadena resident ... "But really, they shouldn't." So the former leader of pioneering, college-rock band Throwing Muses is offering the latest EP by her trio, 50 Foot Wave -- pointedly titled "Free Music" -- as a free ... download on her website."

"Music, quite honestly, is my religion and right now only our televangelists are making any impact..."

[Uninteresting graf of stuff deleted]

It's not that she enjoys being poor -- far from it. [It's difficult to actually be poor in Altadena, a suburb of Pasadena -- me] After all, she and her husband/manager, Billy O'Connell, have four boys to support. But they're on a mission. "So we'll be giving these songs away in the hope of freeing music," she wrote recently... "We are so much like superheroes, it's almost scary."

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George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

i think the ep is one of the best things she's done in a while.

2 columbus circle in 1964 (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

It's kind of an unpopular argument, that musicians shouldn't make money

Am I misremembering, or did SST have some sort of ethic that most everybody on the label had a job apart from being in a band?

Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

pointedly titled "Free Music"

this how you prove you have zero faith in yr readers' intelligence.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I've been on a Kristin Hersh kick lately, so I'd probably enjoy this EP.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

And if she was really so radical, she'd give away an entire LP instead of just an EP. Shhhhhhh ... nobody tell her!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Well, you know that was down in the lower white working middle class rungs of LA County, so it wouldn't be as interesting to the features and arts section up-and-coming readership. Maybe not the right ZIP code.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

It's 20 bucks to get in and hear "Free Music" at Spaceland tonight and Friday. But the first show is sold out.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I really enjoyed the last 50 Foot Wave album and am looking forward to hearing this but jesus those quotes are some bullshit.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

If she was really so radical, she would come help me do my filing. Because she should not be making money.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Actually, by this logic, interning for a record label does look like the way to go.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Take it to its logical ending. Working for free is the way to go. Then in your off hours you can beg for alms and be so like a superhero you'll scare yourself.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm her stuff is always worth listening to. Must check it out.

ratty, Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

thanks for reminding me to download this

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

That superhero quote is from her blog @ ThrowingMusic.com, and I'm pretty sure it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek. And the EP is pretty great; I think I like it more than the album, actually.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

the EP isn't nearly as good as Golden Ocean; oh well

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:05 (twenty years ago)

"We are so much like superheroes, it's almost SCARY! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA!" -- Lola Heatherton

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:43 (twenty years ago)

for a second I thought that said Joey Heatherton

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 13 January 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

and I'm pretty sure it's meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

It's not tongue-in-cheek in Calendar. It's all so so earnest and striving and desperate and isn't Kristin Hersh so good for you, don't you just want to nominate her for a big thinker award?

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 13 January 2006 02:40 (twenty years ago)

"pioneering, college-rock band Throwing Muses" of which the Los Angeles Times' Weekend Calendar could not name one song.

Wankers.

Tsunami, Friday, 13 January 2006 03:47 (twenty years ago)

I think its great, and a quote like "we are so much like superheroes" is totally in character for her, and I love it, and I love this ep.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

kristen hersh is pretty consistently awesome.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone name one song? They were awful

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:13 (twenty years ago)

you know damn well several people here could name dozens with little effort.

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:14 (twenty years ago)

There's that one where she screams a lot.

And there's one with lots of guitar.

And there's the one about the tree.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:36 (twenty years ago)

Damned by faint praise.

Of course, neither the article or Hersh deal with the longstanding reality of cyberspace and free-ness. If you give something away for free, a substantial number of people don't assign any value to it. That is, while they'll certainly have a sample, they'll assume you and it are basically worthless. It's the American way of measurement. The worth and substance of an item is judged by its dollar value. And they won't tell you to your face.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 13 January 2006 06:14 (twenty years ago)

And there's one with lots of guitar.

an indie rock song with lots of guitar? you don't say. ;-)

yvette yreka (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:18 (twenty years ago)

Kristen Hersh, you'll never be loved. you are worthless!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:24 (twenty years ago)

What's that one where she screams "Take your hat off boy when you talk to me" while playing guitar?

(I know, don't answer this)

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Um, thats tanya donelly not kristin hersh.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

i guess that was the point of "the one about the tree as well".

barnaby69, Friday, 13 January 2006 11:20 (twenty years ago)

george otm

the only radical thing about her/her manager's statement is that it's coming from someone who in the last decade or so has used almost every trick in the book to separate her fanbase from it's pesos - ie. 'works in progress' subs off the website, putting up guitars on ebay for $10,000, releasing 2 half good albums on the same day when they could have been comped together to make one great one - i'm sure no one here begrudges her these things, in a way i admire them because it's putting a notional value on what you create. we all need the buck, none of us can survive on goodwill and fresh air, make whatever you can, you'd be stupid not to.

but the old order changeth. now everything's free and the playing field is truly level. no longer do musicians have to impress their talents on hassled a&r guys to get a shot at being heard - they just slam it up on myspace and the world can hear it, judge it, mock it, love it, ignore it, as it sees fit. for those of us with nothing to lose this is fantastic news - for people still trying to scratch a living out there i imagine less so.

what happens when you can't make money out of music anymore? i had to go out, get a job and relinquish my dreams of being a kept man in a beach hut making useless beautiful things into my dotage for an adoring public. boo hoo. poor fucking me.

let's ALL be songwriters. let's all grab a guitar, record our pathetic imaginings and toss 'em to the wind. millions of songs to the ether, some great, some dreadful and every shade in between. In 2006 no one has any greater 'right' to be heard than anyone else.

the situation is radical indeed but she didn't invent it.

john clarkson, Friday, 13 January 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

jesus I would never believe kristin hersh could inspire any anger. I thought everyone loved her!

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

"now everything's free and the playing field is truly level."

Comrade, put down the borscht and get back in the bread line!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

regardless of whatever lame-o quotes are attributed to her today, the first throwing muses album is, if you've actually heard it, inarguably fantastic. if you can't get past what you think of kristen hersh today, at the very least enjoy david narcizo's drumming. (i understand the PR at the time was all about the crazy stepsisters, but it's a shame he gets no credit...)

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I would never believe kristin hersh could inspire any anger

Anger? I dunno. It's that the story was -- well -- so obviously phoned in and full of laughter-inspiring quotes. Maybe she could write a song called "I'm a superhero" and get it played on "Smallville" next year. Last night they played Depeche Mode.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 13 January 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

what happens when you can't make money out of music anymore? i had to go out, get a job and relinquish my dreams of being a kept man in a beach hut making useless beautiful things into my dotage for an adoring public. boo hoo. poor fucking me.

let's ALL be songwriters. let's all grab a guitar, record our pathetic imaginings and toss 'em to the wind. millions of songs to the ether, some great, some dreadful and every shade in between. In 2006 no one has any greater 'right' to be heard than anyone else.

Listen, I've played in bands for a long time, never made any money, never will make any money always had a day job, blah blah blah....that being said...You don't think there's any value to the fact that some great music would have never been created WITHOUT the "star" system of the music industry...I'm thinking people like Miles Davis....Brian Wilson, etc...do you think that you could make, say, "Bitches Brew" could be made in someone's basement on weekends between working shifts at Starbucks?

john you seem to have a wierd hatred of people trying to make a living making music...as if it's something horribly wrong or something....i don't get it.....There's something to be said for letting creative people be creative without the hassles of day to day life...not everything can be done without time and money, no matter how many of us (myself included) would like to think so....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Now seeing the merits of socialism in the newspaper article. That would have been radical, rather than piffle about being free.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 13 January 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

jesus I would never believe kristin hersh could inspire any anger. I thought everyone loved her!

Yeah, until she said something people thought she ought not to say. How dare she.

Throwing Muses are fantastic. I really liked Golden Ocean too.. will check out the new EP this afternoon.

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

hmmm. interesting that i reserve my most targeted ire for someone that i actually do consider a genius, albeit a slightly over-prolific one.

if i had a problem with people making money out of music i would be a rank hypocrite b/c i've had my snout in the same trough before. perhaps some residual jealousy surfacing now that i've slipped off the south pole of planet pop and have to go to work and shit.

you're right M@tt, i do have a kind of non-specific hatred in me sometimes and yeah, it's weird. it's definitely not the part of my personality that i like the most but i use it where neccessary. the internet does tend to bring out those polarities in lots of people, as does music.

oops therapy alert

john clarkson, Friday, 13 January 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)


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