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Recommend jazz albums that metal fans would like. Then suggest the metal band that would be the best choice to cover said album in its entirety.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

the flying luttenbachers

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

return to forever - space race part one (motherfuckers!!!)

― pher (pher), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

[i added the motherfuckers for effect] but it is a pretty rocking track

― pher (pher), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Maybe too obvious, but The Inner Mounting Flame by The Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Which could be covered in its entirety by Master of Puppets era Metallica.

― M Carty (mj_c), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

but metal fans don't know very much about "rock"ing!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Last Exit…Ronald Shannon Jackson (drums), Sonny Sharrock (gtr, RIP) Peter Brotzmann (sax) and Bill Laswell (bass)…very metal fan-friendly…check out albums on AMG…

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Does Naked City count as jazz? Or Painkiller?

― vartman (novaheat), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Rollins_Band_Weight.jpg
Rollins Band - "Weight" (1994)

I never heard the album but I hear it's great if you like Jazz and Metal. And ig you ever heard (and remember) "Liar" then you know what I'm talking about.

P.S. Does anyone know when I can Watch/Download/Stream the video for "Liar"? It's my favorite video ever and I can't find it.

― Michael Costello, Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Miles Davis Tribute to Jack Johnson "Right Off" aka first side of LP comes closest to rocking, as opposed to funkier "on the one" rhythmic thrust of other early 70s electric Miles...LED ZEP!!

Pharoah Sanders' "Upper Egypt & Lower Egypt" was covered live by MC5 and the Stooges but "rocking out" must be difficult on acid...

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Does the Mahavishnu Orchestra count?

― Michael Costello, Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

james blood ulmer

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Jack Johnson otm, but it's really as much a rock record as a jazz one. Masada might appeal to a metal fan. Go to Sonny Rollins or James Carter for rock 'n rolling, Mingus or David Murray for r&b.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Stanley Clarke solo from the 70's with Jeck Beck on it. It's fairly common, has the song "Vulcan Princess" on it. Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow which contains "Freeway Jam" as well as "Because We Ended as Lovers" which pretty much spans the rainbow of jazz and rock fusion. Return to Forever's "Romantic Warrior" works, too. Beck can cover the metal end of it quite nicely, so there's no need to find a sub.

There's a new anthology in stores that's a takeoff on Mahavishnu, called Visions of the Inner Mounting Apocalypse that's a bunch of name and all star guitarists from jazz, metal and hard rock doing McLaughlin stuff. I had some hopes for it but it's too frictionless. So avoid.

A couple of Dixie Dregs albums should be in your grab bag, too. Steve Morse was guitarist, so need for metal substitutions 'cuz he's in Deep Purple now. And the drummer went into Winger where I assume he sold a lot more records. The Dregs were doing fine on Capricorn for awhile, though.

― George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Cuong Vu's newest, It's Mostly Residual, features Bill Frisell in full-on metal mode on some tracks, along with Vu doing heavy reverb on his trumpet. Highly recommended for thrashage.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

A few years ago a Mahavishnu tribute comp was promised that was gonna feature Dillinger Escape Plan among others. No word on it in years, though.

Yakuza's new one blends metal and semi-out jazz very well, as does the album before it. The Mass, from Oakland, are another post-hardcore stomp outfit with a saxophonist, but he's more melodic than Yakuza frontguy Bruce Lamont - at times, The Mass sound like Prime Time doing (Slip It In-era) Black Flag covers.

The new Pain Killer disc, w/Hamid Drake on drums and Mike Patton on guest vocals, loses a lot of what was great about their best stuff. Zorn is apparently using the name for any ol' collaboration w/Laswell now, and that's a shame - sullies the rep of the stuff that's on the four-CD box, which is all anyone needs.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Power Tools, the Bill Frisell/Melvin Gibbs/Ronald Shannon Jackson trio, are releasing three CD-Rs of live stuff this year. The first one's out already, but the only place I know that stocks it is Downtown Music Gallery. After Frisell left, the other two recruited Pete Cosey to take his place - I wonder if there's any tape of that?

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

I saw that version of Power Tools…it was dope as hell!

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

scorch trio?

― fffnnnsss, Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Tony Williams Lifetime Emergency (w/John Mclaughlin)
Larry Young Lawrence of Newark

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Miles' Agharta would probly do the trick too.

― Sinister Oink Kingpin (noodle vague), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

i came on to add Scorch Trio & Tony Williams, but lookie here

how about Ray Russell?

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 14 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe no one's said Ask the Ages yet.

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

If you ignore the guitar or rhythm signifiers then I'd say a hell of a lot of everything from Hard Bop forwards rocks like crazy.

― Sinister Oink Kingpin (noodle vague), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)

the Tony Williams album i was thinking about is "Believe It" and it has Alan Holdsworth on guitar

also the Santana/John McLaughlin tribute to John Coltrane ("Love Devotion Surrender") rocks the fuck out.

and Krakatau, the band led by guitarist Raoul Björkenheim (also of Scorch Trio) has a few heavy albums on ECM

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Re-reading the original question I'd quite like to have a copy of Emperor Plays 'Free Jazz'.

― Sinister Oink Kingpin (noodle vague), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

John Coltrane - Meditations ... not really for the tunes, just the sheer speed/volume in parts.

― Jez (Jez), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

The Thing, with Mats Gustafsson and Paal Nilsson-Love. See Smalltown Superjazzz label for more.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Joe McPhee too.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Supersilent, if they're Jazz.

― Sinister Oink Kingpin (noodle vague), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Check out Red Warrior by Ronald Shannon Jackson: three guitars and two basses

― todd (todd), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Acoustic Ladyland.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Surely there's lotsa "real" jazz (ie. non-fusion) albums by Archie Shepp and Albert Ayler and Peter Brotzmann with saxophones noisy enough to simulate overdriven guitars.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

That's what I was getting at above, if you disregard guitars or the rock rhythms in fusion then there's loads of jazz that has velocity, extreme soloing, fierce volume and other "rock-like" elements.

― Sinister Oink Kingpin (noodle vague), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I must second Mahavishnu Orchestra. Definitely. Bust also,

Lizard era King Crimson

Isotope 213

Curlew

― Cliftonb, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Isotope 217, even

― Cliftonb, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Jazz albums in the top 500 heavy metal albums book I wrote:

Jean-Paul Bourelly: Jungle Cowboy
Miles Davis* - Agharta, Jack Johnson, Pangea
Headhunters - Survival of the Fittest
Last Exit - Cassette Recording 87, Iron Path, Last Exit, The Noise of Trouble
John McLaughlin - Devotion
Power Tools - Strange Meeting
Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman, Guitar, Seize the Rainbow
James Blood Ulmer - Black Rock, Freelancing
Tony Williams Lifetime - Once in a Lifetime

* - I actually much prefer On the Corner and Get Up With It to any of these; deciding factor was that these ones (at least to me at the time) seemed to have more loud guitar parts. Likewise, I'd probably take Odyssey over either of the Ulmer albums I list in the book.

― xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:59 (twenty years ago)

You could not-inconceivably add Gone and Band Of Gypsies and (heh heh) Black Sabbath Vol. 4 to that list, chuxk!

That's what I was getting at above, if you disregard guitars or the rock rhythms in fusion then there's loads of jazz that has velocity, extreme soloing, fierce volume and other "rock-like" elements.
-- Sinister Oink Kingpin

Indeed you did! Dunno how I missed that...

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:29 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know/remember that Devotion was in there! I nominated that for the ILX 70s poll but I don't think anyone else voted for it. It was in my top 5 IIRC. It reminds me more of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin than of any Miles Davis or other JM I know. I think King Crimson kind of copped the riff of the title track for "Red". Who would you have cover it?

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9256/reignoy4.jpg

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...

I like how Slayer kept the old dude on bass... Nice of them...

― NYCNative, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to see Joe McPhee next Friday. It will be awesome.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

This is funny - I read about halfway down, was gonna post something like "Fusion's fine but where's the REAL stuff, with hard-rockin' horns instead of amplifiers?", then decided I'd better read the whole thing first. And when I do, only then do I realize it's actually an old revived thread that I've no recollection of; and that I'd already posted essentially the same remark a year previous. And that I'd contributed that FIRST post without reading the whole thread, and got called on it! And I nearly did the exact same thing! How idiotic would that have looked?

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Almost as idiotic as then telling us about it rather than keeping schtum.

― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

lol

I wasn't calling you tho, I was agreeing with you, honest.

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - Sure, but the point is that I almost forgot to read through but remembered before it was too late! Personal growth, one small step, etc....

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Melvin Gibbs was actually in Rollins Band for a couple of albums, wasn't he?

Also, Xhuxk OTMFM re Odyssey, which is The One.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 19 April 2007 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

"Officer Brenneman, get him outta here, before somebody step on him!"

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 19 April 2007 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Howzabout Nels Cline. His track "Lowered Boom" washes over me like the exact midpoint between metal and jazz.

― bendy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

Why not Nels, Lemmy and Earl Palmer? Something would happen in that room.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

WTF, throw L.L. in there, too.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

I wish Peter Brotzmann had recorded a duo record with John Entwistle instead of Bill Laswell (not that Low-Life doesn't rock, but how much more would it have rocked with the Ox?)

― Standing In The Shadows Of Bob, Friday, 20 April 2007 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Jesus Christ was that Joe McPhee show really two years ago? Fuck.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 17:10 (sixteen years ago)

I think parts of Esbjorn Svensson Trio's Leucocyte would apply.

― _Rockist__Scientist_, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)

Anyway, the real reason for my revive--there's a new Mats Gustafsson-related trio called Fire! and they're really really fuckin dope. First track is like Sonny Sharrock sitting in with Alice Coltrane, second track starts as Om-style drone with squibbles before they work some magic and somehow concoct a Lightning Bolt-covering-Can noise-motorik groove. I'm only halfway through my first listen and this is already one of my favorite records of the year.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 17:14 (sixteen years ago)

wow that sounds good! almost TOO good.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 17:43 (sixteen years ago)

Anything like his stuff w/The Thing? I never got around to checking that

― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 17:46 (sixteen years ago)

It's not as punky as The Thing, it's much more in the psych-jazz lineage. I'm pretty sure he's blowing through a distortion box on a couple of these tunes though, I don't know how the hell else he's getting this weird shoegaze tone on the third track.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:08 (sixteen years ago)

Though fwiw I picked this up because I love The Thing and I totally wasn't disappointed, just pleasantly surprised atthe difference.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

I just did a Google search to find out more about Fire! and this thread was already a top result. That seems crazy fast!

More info on this album, plz -- is it self-titled?

― Brad C., Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:21 (sixteen years ago)

It's called You Liked Me Five Minutes Ago and its out on Rune Grammofon

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

Apparently in the UK you can get it here

http://www.cargorecords.co.uk/release/9021

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:28 (sixteen years ago)

Available on CD in the US in a couple weeks or Amazon mp3 store now, it looks like.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

these dudes are leeds jazzers who rock fucking hard when they decide to rock. youtube vids, or even their recordings don't seem to do justice to what they do when they play out. check the shredfest sax solo around 2 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_sdKyDzAKs&feature=related

also check their death metal supergroup, there's jazz buried in their somewhere.

http://www.myspace.com/bilbaosyndrome

― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 20:09 (sixteen years ago)

I have that Fire! disc, and it's pretty damn noisy. I was surprised, in a good way.

― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 September 2009 20:12 (sixteen years ago)

Ordered Leucocyte yesterday (as well as Cline's Coward). Looking forward to them.

― Sundar, Thursday, 3 September 2009 17:02 (sixteen years ago)

i saw keith jarrett's son's math-rock trio a few weeks ago. great musicians, they rocked bludgeoningly hard, but the music was pretty forgettable imo.

― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 3 September 2009 17:20 (sixteen years ago)

What's the group called?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 3 September 2009 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Frank Lowe Black Beings
I used to have this on one side of a walkman tape with MC5 Teenage Lust the early '70 live set on the flipside. It fit perfectly. Horns sound like Detroit dunt.

Always hear Albert Ayler's Love Cry as being like his acid rock lp though played on different instruments & yes I am aware of his rockist or whatever '70 stuff.

― Stevolende, Friday, 11 February 2011 10:04 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Lawrence of Newark and Tony Williams' Lifetime are fantastic, but lately I think John McLaughlin's Devotion is the best thing Larry Young ever played on.

― Neil Jung (WmC), Monday, 2 July 2012 22:00 (thirteen years ago)

He's pretty good on the Santana/Mclaughlin stuff too. I think he played on the supporting tour too. That material's worth looking out for. Has been torrented quite a bit over the last few years.

― Stevolende, Monday, 2 July 2012 22:28 (thirteen years ago)

John McLaughlin's Devotion is the best thing Larry Young ever played on.

Have you heard Love Cry Want, because...

― a place to bury st. anger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

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