GROUPER "Way Their Crept" --- CONTACT

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Please, i'm looking for a link or an e-mail address in order to contact Liz Harris (aka Grouper) for an interview. Indeed, i'd like to write a portait of this artist and her wonderful album published by the label Free Porcupine Society... First, i contacted this label but no reply...


Matt B (aerial1), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really love this album. Liz' personal e-mail is right there in the liner notes, though (you downloader)

ysi for 'black out' I posted last week to noise ysi is still up

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Uh, a friend of mine is sending me a mixtape song by song and "Disengaged" by Grouper just came on, obliterating all songs of this year before it. What is known of this "GROUPER"?

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Friends description: "Liz Harris is from Poland, and she's got a few musical projects that run the gamut from spacey Hope Sandoval type music to this, a combination of drone soundscapes and lo-fi broken east-european folk. That description is a misnomer - think folk and you imagine exactly what Grouper is not. This music has more in common with the Microphones than Devendra Banhart, and her real draw isn't her mastery of narrative po-dunk lyrics - it's her soul-melting, beautiful ethereal voice and her ear for incredibly moody - albeit lo-fi - recording aesthetics. Imagine one of the Deheza twins becoming obsessed with fuzz pedals and dark psychedelia. As Grouper, she's begun to manipulate her voice in the same manner that she does every other recorded instrument on her projects. On this first song from her newest album, her voice follows hand in hand the melody of the rhodes-come-blown-out-leslie. I can't tell what she's saying, and it truely does not make a difference to me. The atmosphere is beautiful, her voice is beautiful, and the emotions she is conveying - terrible though they must be - are beautiful as well."

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

she's from Portland, not Poland

resolved, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Here you go:

Looks like she logged in today.

We are so lucky to have her here. I've seen some really great (and always unassuming) sets from her in coffee shops, in the park...

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Love Grouper. New album is ace. Can't wait to get the vinyl.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

New album is brilliant. Up there with Inca Ore's release, my best release of the year so far (I think).

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

YES! I'm really digging the new one. I loved it so much that I bought a couple of her previous releases. Can't wait to get them in the mail.

Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

high praise from this review:

foxy digitalis : reviews: Grouper "Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill"

"This is an amazing album that will most likely remain a highlight release for the year. " 10/10

djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

'grouper' CDR EP - (heavier noiser mixes of her first recordings, most of these were remixed for the first album)
'way their crept' LP - still my favorite, her harmonies & the absurd levels of tape delay bury the songs but the songs are still there
'he knows he knows he knows' EP - like the 1st LP, just as great
'wide' LP - follows on from the first LP, heavier & spacier and more intense, maybe a less instantly memorable group of songs but I need to go back and check
'flashlights: eckords' - collaboration with violinist jorge boehringer, very very very spaced
xiu xiu vs. grouper - 'creepshow' - haven't heard
'cover the windows and walls' EP - only have mp3s of this so haven't spent as much time with it -- never even saw this in stores, but it's songs
'dragging a dead deer up a hill' LP - this is going to do very well for her, she's pulled back on the delays but everything still sounds covered in silt and her songwriting has taken a jump forward

she's one to watch

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ok, I finally listened to the rest of the songs for the first time, and yes, they're all great. Not enough have just straight up said "What a graceful voice", and they should. This is peaceful death music, I love it.

I predict I will post about this again on August 3rd of this year, because that's the day I finally get back home. And when I arrive, there's going to be a small pile of her records because I'm going to have to drunkenly order a good half of those LPs and EPs Milton just mentioned. Not the Xiu Xiu one, though.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm going to save the S-word too - Slowdive. This wouldn't be out of place on Pygmalion.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I will also say it.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Well, at least I still get to care about something, which is a nice consolation prize.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Yeah, still fucking awesome.
This is off the newest one:

Heavy Water/I'd Rather be Sleeping

and I have two other (better) songs from Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill here:

And this is a little older.

Z S, Saturday, 19 July 2008 07:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

got new lp in the other day

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

I missed buying that Dragging A Dead Deer album, can't find it anywhere. Any leads?

sleeve, Saturday, 19 July 2008 17:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Z S, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

There's a dude here in Portland who's just as good as Grouper. His project is called Dragging An Ox Through Water.

Nate Carson, Monday, 21 July 2008 09:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Finally got the new one today...So amazing. Like, one of the best things I've heard all year. Its been a long time since I've been able to just sit down and let an album wash over me, but this has done it. "Stuck" in particular just makes me swoon. The melodies on this are amazing! I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Is very good, that new one.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

what is it called?

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"

Best album title ever too!!!

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?

Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.

Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...


czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...

must investigate further!

also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here

fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'

Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

this album ! :-O

really really good.

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.

Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.

fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Deeply amused by "fart alert"

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:

The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but you write for

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (eight years ago) Permalink


original bgm, Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but you write for

Really? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...

suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with

That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

she is playing here next month which is something i never really expected to happen and i am beyond excited

ufo, Friday, 19 May 2017 08:51 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

flappy bird, Monday, 19 June 2017 06:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New Grouper! It's a Ruins outtake. All proceeds in the next 24 hours go towards the Silvia Rivera Law Center, Transgender Law Center and Trans Assistance Project

josh az (2011nostalgia), Friday, 4 August 2017 07:21 (six months ago) Permalink

Beautiful song

flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 16:25 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

just got an email from yellowelectric, there's a bunch of old inventory up on her bandcamp. i got the Alien Observer LP for $30, only 8 left!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:42 (five months ago) Permalink

Good new interview

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:11 (five months ago) Permalink

whoa, i wonder what this is:

I recently licensed a song to a television show [you guys are going to flip].

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:16 (five months ago) Permalink

great interview btw, thanks for sharing ned

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:17 (five months ago) Permalink

What is your dream job outside of playing music?

My dream job is not performing music. Most of my job ideas are more non-paying adventures than careers. I took a career test in my twenties and remember “related to the spirituality or the occult/religious leader” and “sailor." I’ve followed through on “sailor” --- I love very much being on the water. I do sailing races on my friend’s boat every summer in Astoria and am looking into getting a small boat with an electric outboard to toot around the Columbia River.

I’d like to get a shit job on a container ship or find a sailboat to crew on and do a trans-oceanic voyage at some point before I die. I volunteer at a National Park here in Astoria. Basically, I just pick up trash and kick rocks off the trails but I get to wear a uniform and use a walkie-talkie which is about 80% of the pleasure if I’m entirely honest. I’d really like to drive in a car race or demolition derby. I’d like to be paid to walk around or hike. My month-long hiking trip in New Zealand two years ago definitely cost me money though so still some work to be done there I guess. So far, as paying jobs go -- I spent my 20’s working with differently abled adults and I miss it every day. I love care-work, with children, elders, animals, whomever. It feels challenging and rewarding in a straightforward way that music doesn’t.

nomar, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:03 (five months ago) Permalink

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

I will be at early show. :)

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Same here!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:56 (five months ago) Permalink

i'm still deciding whether i'm going to the early show or the late show depending on if i want to catch JEANNE DIELMAN showing at BAMPFA that same evening

joshywinty (josh), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Go to both shows

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:34 (five months ago) Permalink

okay, i chose the early show -- say hello if you see someone roughly 5'6 with a buzzed head

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:27 (five months ago) Permalink

old items getting restocked is great and all but shit i got two email notifications from bandcamp on my phone today saying "New Items from Grouper" and each time I got super excited thinking a new single from a possible upcoming album was on it's way, but no :(

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:37 (five months ago) Permalink

nothing on a new single and/or album (though she's doing a project that will be performed during this year's Unsound), but a very nice interview:

willem, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:29 (five months ago) Permalink

what i did get to hear of liz last night was lovely . . . but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh

― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:03 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read this post and immediately knew which show this was

fucking crowd sucks

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 06:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Same thing happened at DARK MOFO in Hobart until someone a few rows from the front turned around and bawled SHUT THE FUCK UP. I love Grouper irrationally, but I often listen to the music at overwhelming volume for the sensory overload feeling, and I was looking forward to being able to lose myself in the live performance. It was beautiful but I kept getting distracted by fuckheads more interested in themselves than the music they'd paid to see, and I couldn't help wishing for a little help from the stage. I understand what's special about a room of hushed people listening to soft music, but if I'm completely honest it feels a little wilful to play that quietly.

I'll get me coat.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:08 (four months ago) Permalink

I know, she plays very quietly. I saw her in a chapel at UVA two years ago that held 250 people, & even with a completely silent & reverential crowd, it was remarkably quiet in the back. I felt like I was straining to hear during the set.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:39 (four months ago) Permalink

when i saw her it was a perfect volume, loud & encompassing without being uncomfortable

ufo, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:47 (four months ago) Permalink

Thankfully the show the other day here was 1) fantastic 2) had a deathly quiet audience and we were all the happier for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Did you recognize any of the material she played? Or was it all one lovely gauzy blur?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:12 (four months ago) Permalink

I definitely recognised things - maybe 2-3 songs - but often radically rearranged (e.g. Ruins material played as guitar ostinatos, recognised them from lyrics).

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:30 (four months ago) Permalink

also continuous, beautiful projected images behind the stage - thematically matched to what I think about her music, which is like hazy memories of beautiful songs.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:11 (four months ago) Permalink

she played "holding" from RUINS and "fishing bird" from DRAGGING A DEAD DEER

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:15 (four months ago) Permalink

Fishing Bird???? whoa. that's pretty remarkable. was Holding the guitar arrangement? when I saw her 2 years ago, she opened with Alien Observer and played mostly Ruins stuff like Holding and Labyrinth (complete with microwave beep).

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:25 (four months ago) Permalink

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 06:25 (four months ago) Permalink

I’ve always wondered are the dark circle under her eyes makeup or she doesn’t sleep that much? In some pictures they look natural but they keep changing size and then in others she doesn’t seem to have them at all.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 30 September 2017 09:19 (four months ago) Permalink

she did say that the Sleep piece was performed/recorded after a long period of sleeplessness. but i had a friend that had a similar thing, it’s genetic.

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:08 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

her collaborator Paul Clipson has died. they did a lot of amazing work together.

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Paul Clipson - a criminally unsung luminary of the moving image - has died. His images, layers upon layers of light and energy and feeling has been an inspiration.
Very sad news.

— Scott Barley (@ScottBarleyFilm) February 5, 2018

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink


when I saw her last year his work was projected above her and it was rather incredible

ufo, Monday, 5 February 2018 23:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Likewise, I'm sad that it took this loss for me to find out who'd made those beautiful images.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 12:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Hoping for a new album this year.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 02:19 (six days ago) Permalink


flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 04:13 (six days ago) Permalink

Every time I see this thread pop up I pray that it's new Grouper music getting announced. Ruins was all the way back in 2014!

josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 04:58 (six days ago) Permalink

this all fits in my with my theory that everything that is good has been frozen in time (see stars of the lid)

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:02 (six days ago) Permalink

Didn't she say something at one point about being finished with the Grouper project? (Though before last year's seven inch, I think)

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:04 (six days ago) Permalink

It was in one magazine interview that I heard more talk about than the interview or even quote itself... but I do remember reading the exact quote. It wasn't entirely clear and was probably taken out of context and blown out of proportion and the whole "she's retiring Grouper" bit went thru a game of telephone. having said that, yeah, since 2014 she's only put out 3 songs: the Paradise Valley 7" (recorded in 2012), and "Children," an outtake from Ruins (recorded in 2011). So we haven't even heard anything recorded past 2012.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:08 (six days ago) Permalink

What year was Helen?

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:20 (six days ago) Permalink

single in 2012, album in 2015. but Helen isn't Grouper.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:21 (six days ago) Permalink

(gets off ass and Googles it)
right of course flappy, but it might count as "done with Grouper" - so the album came out in 2015 and was recorded across "several years" prior, thus I guess Helen is the most recent Liz Harris work out there?

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:23 (six days ago) Permalink

i'm optimistic she'll come out with something pretty soon. she's played several shows since last june, so it's not like she isn't active

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:38 (six days ago) Permalink

do you all know about Hypnosis Display, from 2014? it barely rung a bell, but it's mentioned on her CV (

Music Commission- Commissioned by Leeds Opera North to collaborate with film-maker Paul Clipson on a 75 minute film and soundtrack entitled Hypnosis Display to be performed live this Summer in the UK.

the only mention in this thread is by schlump, but here's some quick stuff i tracked down (ie the top 2 google results):

11 minute excerpt:

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:43 (six days ago) Permalink

somehow i just totally missed all of that, whenever it happened

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:43 (six days ago) Permalink

this is her mural in portland:

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:45 (six days ago) Permalink

hey i know where that is! i pass it fairly often and never knew it was harris' work, thanks karl!

Clay, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 05:54 (six days ago) Permalink

Oooh I thought Hypnosis Display was in 2012. I got it mixed up with Violet Replacement.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:07 (six days ago) Permalink

xxp man that is cool, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 15:09 (six days ago) Permalink

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