have you ever heard of grunge???

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"Listen even more closely and you can hear something else: the quiet sucking sound of a rock 'n' roll vacuum, waiting — still — to be filled."

Not so much a sucking sound, Spleefah, more like the sound of hot air escaping from yo' ass. What a clueless hack........

― Seaman Cummings, Saturday, 28 January 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

"here's a big difference — the difference of a decade — between being a loser and being a twerp.

Among other things, "Lights and Sounds" is Yellowcard's attempt to split that difference."

Way to go, twerps and losers! Split that difference!

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 28 January 2006 07:49 (twenty years ago)

no mention of the recent wave of corporate indie bands (modest mouse, killers, bravery etc)? rock radio isnt' just nu-grunge vs nu-emo.

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 28 January 2006 07:54 (twenty years ago)

modest mouse are corporate indie? I hate them but I wouldn't call them that

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:06 (twenty years ago)

And the emerging Orange County band Avenged Sevenfold is succeeding by pioneering an unlikely and intriguing fusion, drawing from emo while also embracing the swaggering look and sound of 1980's metal.

hahaha, oh man.

― controversial buffalo stance (haitch), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

someone should tell them power ballads got there first

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:15 (twenty years ago)

modest mouse are corporate indie? I hate them but I wouldn't call them that

well, modest mouse is certainly more 'real' of a band then th ekillers, but what i mean is, bands with a supposedly 'indie/underground' aestetic who are playing all the major label games to get ahead.

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:39 (twenty years ago)

Unlike, say, Nirvana.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:41 (twenty years ago)

Avenged Sevenfold are hardly 'pioneers.' they, and 1,000 other orange county bands all copped that pose from AFI.

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:43 (twenty years ago)

grunge 1995 = grime 2005

― sovietpanda (sovietpanda), Saturday, 28 January 2006 08:46 (twenty years ago)

" 'indie/underground' aestetic "

there's no such thing.

Modest Mouse are 12 year old rock legends finally making a dollar. More power to them.

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Saturday, 28 January 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)

Modest Mouse are 12 year old rock legends

i like the band, but come on.

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 28 January 2006 09:48 (twenty years ago)

Avenged Sevenfold have been doing their thing for awhile now, and I for one salute them. "Sounding the Seventh Trumpet" has some rad songs on it.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 28 January 2006 09:59 (twenty years ago)

no disrespect to all my metal-hardcore dudes, but if we're talking eye liner and power-ballads, AFI were ahead of the curve.

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 28 January 2006 10:35 (twenty years ago)

matter a fact, i might be a metal-hardcore dude myself!

― one time, Saturday, 28 January 2006 10:48 (twenty years ago)

Modest Mouse are an indie band that signed to a major (Sony) = corporate indie. What's so hard to comprehend?

This guy's writing and points are not ridiculous, he's just writing about bands most of us hate. Everything he said about the state of rock music right now is basically right on: it's in limbo (dead?) and these subgenres aren't cutting it.

― Writer Dude, Saturday, 28 January 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Real grungers soil their Dockers and never change them.

― LoneNut, Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:21 (twenty years ago)

beatles "revolution / black sabbath "paranoid" are more grunge than nirvana.
did mudhoney start grunge , nirvana sold it and pearl jam end it.

― retroboy, Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:25 (twenty years ago)

beatles "revolution / black sabbath "paranoid" are more grunge than nirvana.

How so if the term didn't exist back then? What defines grunge for you? It did come from the bands' shitty wardrobes you know.

― Grungemeister, Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

So how many more years can I expect ILM to keep up its "rock is dead" schtick?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 28 January 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Well, when it comes back to life I guess we'll let you know.

― Grungemeister, Saturday, 28 January 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Anyone who says that rock is dead never really liked rock to begin with. Or at least has never been to Detroit.
"Hey man, cut that jive, James Brown is still alive."

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I think they mean dead as in "not thriving." Yeah, James Brown is still playing the same old songs. Wooptyfuckindoo.

― Grungemeister, Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Good lord, somehow I had missed Avenged Sevenfold were from around here. Ignorance really can be bliss at points...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

pop/rock music is thriving. I'd much rather have 1,000 bands selling 50,000 albums a piece, then to have 5 of them selling 5,000,000.

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

tried to find a feeling or two

Fuck that! Feelings aren't for REAL MEN.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? - the Clash

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

ilm is terrifying in 2006 so far

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

The center cannot hold.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 January 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

You are both correct! WTF.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I've spent my morning reviewing 7"s that almost universally sound better at the wrong speed. Maybe rock is dead...

― js (honestengine), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I understand all these sentences, but not why they're together as a paragraph

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Is this seriously the best discussion ILM can get out of that article? Good lord.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

If Yellowcard is the starting point, then frankly I'm not all that surprised.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

yellowcard aren't so bad really. fight the real enemy, etc etc.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

shit, i even like fall out boy. hawthorne heights are some ass tho.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

shit, i even like fall out boy.

oh, jess, no

― dancing chicken (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

c'mon jody, given my usual predilections this is shocking?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

mcr were the push down the slippery slope of pop emo for me

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

Pemo

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Hey, is Jess that guy who put up that traumatizing picture of that chick shitting on her own face!! I still can't eat!!!!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

the singer from yellowcard looks like jon williams

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:33 (twenty years ago)

otm!

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:33 (twenty years ago)

(no offense, jw)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

otm???? shit picture???? yellowcard loser????what????

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

This is why I listen to Enslaved.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)

I don't mean to be a preacher, but music critics, or wannabe critics, might find more fulfillment in life if they learned a few chords, and tried to find a feeling or two. It has always all been pop/rock music. I'm sorry, but I find all the slogans and flag waving a bit trite.
pop/rock music is thriving. I'd much rather have 1,000 bands selling 50,000 albums a piece, then to have 5 of them selling 5,000,000.

-- Brian Jones (i_love_mooozi...), January 28th, 2006.
i'd rather have 50 ,000,000 than 25,000,000 too.lol

― retrokid, Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:45 (twenty years ago)

beatles "revolution / black sabbath "paranoid" are more grunge than nirvana.
How so if the term didn't exist back then? What defines grunge for you? It did come from the bands' shitty wardrobes you know.

-- Grungemeister (grung...), January 28th, 2006.
grunge is the sound minimal chords,distorted guitar and nonsense lyrics.but it didn't have a term back then.

― retroboy, Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but doesn't that also describe Punk? It's all just Rock N Roll.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Modest Mouse are 12 year old rock legends

Stretching it a bit, Michael Jackson may have been a 12 year-old rock legend in 1971. But Modest Mouse? I doubt so... :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

grunge is the sound minimal chords,distorted guitar and nonsense lyrics.but it didn't have a term back then.

No it isn't, Grunge was a clothing identifier that came to loosely categorize 90s alterna-metal.

Paranoid was called "acid rock." Revolution was called "psychedelic." Both of them had more variables, moods, technical ability and intricacy than anything that came out of grunge, which was, for the most part, metallified punk. And I don't know where the "nonsense lyrics" idea comes from. You're thinking of Pavement.

― Grungemeister, Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I forgot to make the point about acid/psychedelia: LSD = variables, moods, intricacy and really interesting, complex ideas. Pot/Herion = simple music.

― Grungemeister, Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

A good two thirds of the bands that I've seen in the last three months could benefit greatly from a huge dose of acid. Especially some acid and some Can albums.

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

"Paranoid was called "acid rock." Revolution was called "psychedelic." Both of them had more variables, moods, technical ability and intricacy than anything that came out of grunge"
YEAH,RIGHT, PARANOID IS SOOO FULL OF TECHNICAL ABILITY,VARIABLES, MOODS ETC...GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ARSE, BOY! PARANOID WAS WRITTEN IN 10 MINUTES TO FILL THE ALBUM!

― negativecreep, Thursday, 9 February 2006 09:08 (twenty years ago)

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