What meant more: Britpop to Americans or Grunge to Brits?

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In my situation, I was (and remain) enamoured by dance music between, say, 1990 - 1996. Living in the US, I've always been surprised meeting Americans who actually thought grunge was important (it felt to me, as an outsider, like 2 good Nirvana singles, and a whole lot of bands doing metal songs without solos), but then, there was also Pulp: 2 good singles, and a whole lot of incredibly average student bands.
Did most Americans ever learn the difference between Sleeper and Suede? Is there a difference between Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots?

― paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

What means more: heroin or cocaine?

― Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

outside of oasis and a handful of novelty singles ("song 2," "connection"), britpop did so poorly in the US that bush was probably the biggest british band of the early-mid 90s.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Grunge was huge here.
I have to say i was a fan of it. Didn't like the 2nd gen bands like STP etc though.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, in the admittedly backwards place I grew up in in south west England, grunge was basically the default musical style (and dress sense) for rock bands up until 1998 when I fucked off. To some extent it may still be

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

"song 2", jess? surely you mean "girls and boys"

the former hardly being britpop

― marc h. (marc h.), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:07 (twenty years ago)

If that's the case, britpop just became one song less important in the US.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

i dont remember hearing "girls and boys" in regular rotation on 100.3 or 103.9. wheras i heard "song 2" every five minutes for a month or two.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

i think i saw the video for "the drowners" once, but it might have been on 120 minutes.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

oh and "rocks," but ditto

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

outside of oasis and a handful of novelty singles ("song 2," "connection"), britpop did so poorly in the US that bush was probably the biggest british band of the early-mid 90s.

Not to mention the huge Stateside successes of both Radiohead's "Pablo Honey" and the Cranberries' "Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?"

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

i think i saw the video for "the drowners" once, but it might have been on 120 minutes.

Did you see ME?

― Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I've always been surprised meeting Americans who actually thought grunge was important

All those huge arena tours and wall to wall media coverage meant nothing! ;-)

Britpop in America = an MTV spot or two, and Oasis. Gavin Rossdale strenuously proclaimed Bush was not Britpop, and after a few years it was determined they weren't anything else either, and were happily shitcanned.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

i once walked around a shopping mall high after it closed with "glycerine" on my headphones

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

true story

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Stiltskin, motherfuckers.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

conversely, of course, britpop was fucking HUGE the minute i got to college

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Did you see ME?

I've got the DVD, dude. We'll image capture you rolling around with Brett in soapy foam yet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

i think the first time i made out with my college girlfriend blur was playing. how shameful.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

Pretty sure Thom Yorke would pull an even more pained face if you told him Radiohead were Britpop.

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

If the song was "Chemical World", then CLASSIC. "This Is a Low" = DUD. "Girls and Boys" = I feel sorry for you.

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they were just as Britpop as Bush (X) ... oh the hilarity of trying to push Blur and Pulp on American kids only to have them demand more BUSH (X).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:28 (twenty years ago)

haha it very well may have been girls and boys

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:28 (twenty years ago)

i blame art school, naturally

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

I think the Brits have traditionally been much more accepting of American styles than the converse.

― marathonpacks, Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

I think primarily Grunge has a bad rep, thanks to bands like STP and Alice in Chains, not to mention the bands who were'nt even from Washington.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)

Not so much of a good thing with today's music in America......

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

god, i love girls and boys. what an amazing song. i'll take that one song over all of britpop, grunge, and any latter-day 80's worship.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

the video's hilarious. such contempt for humanity.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

it's a good song.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Who does this song? Educate me, please.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Blurt.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Bathory

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Not to mention the huge Stateside successes of both Radiohead's "Pablo Honey" and the Cranberries' "Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?"

Hardly Britpop though, were they? Especially the fucking Cranberries.

Britpop wasn't SUPPOSED to mean anything to Americans. It existed so that record labels could spend huge amounts of money carting Blur and Sleeper over to the US and when the Americans rightly reacted with complete indifference then the NME and friends could crow "nyaar, pearls before swine" and give themselves a big nationalistic pat on the back. Once Oasis and Blur actually sold some records in the States all the fun went out of it.

Grunge was big over here but got very unfashionable very quickly. It was also completely overshadowed by rave.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

So I take it Blur did that song, not Blurt, who I hear are also good.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)

Matt -- again, I was responding to Jess' comment about Bush (X) being the biggest British bands in America in the mid-90's (along with Cranberries and Radiohead).

Cranberries were supporting Suede on a leg of their 1993 tour -- and people were going to see them instead of the headliners. By the end of the year their album had sold 2M copies in the States, while Suede's album sold ... a lot less.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:51 (twenty years ago)

I guess we, in the rest of Europe, were the ones who noticed both trends. :)

Or, that is, I know grunge was huge in the UK. What has never been huge in UK nor hardly any other European country was the grunge-influenced AOR that dominated the "adult alternative" market in the US during the late 90s. Also, Nu Metal took long to crack the European market plus it didn't last very long.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I think it's fair to say that Britpop meant more to Brits than what grunge meant to Americans.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

I think it's fair to say that Britpop meant more to Brits than what grunge meant to Americans.

If you count Live, Hootie & The Blowfish, Dave Matthews Band and Creed as grunge of sorts, then I would say that grunge did also indeed mean a lot to the average white American youngster.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Hootie and DMB aren't grunge and Creed are post-grunge. I'm not familiar with Live.

DMB must be the most popular American band that the rest of the world don't get. Yay us!

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)

With the exception of Nirvana and Pearl Jam (initially) , Nu-Metal was bigger in the UK because it reached a lot of 10 year old kids. Grungers tended to be a bit older IMO. (Usually about my own age)
A few years back you couldn't escape really young kids with Korn, Slipknot, Papa Roach, Linkin Park shirts on.
Now it's Green Day. Perhaps things will change now The Arctic Monkeys have hit big?

I agree that the 3rd gen bands didn't do anything over here. Britpop/Dadrock was in full swing by then. Then it was nu-metal.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)

Britpop was probably the main reason why DMB never got any audience outside the US.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:25 (twenty years ago)

I think it's Emo time now. Arctic Monkeys might well be too mainstream for the "alternative" youth (guilty pleasure for some no doubt).

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Live would fit in with the category that I mentioned who soiled Grunge.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Emo, Screamo, whatever that pop punk that pretends it's not crap is ...

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

The main reason DMB etc never got big here was quite simply they never toured , so didnt get airplay or media coverage. Same goes for most of the bands who never got big here.

Dave Matthews actually came over here to do press and stuff for his solo single/album and his song got playlisted on commercial radio and I think did get a minor hit.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Today was the first day that I have ever heard of Lewis Taylor! I read about him in the paper. No clue who he was, and he's been making records for 20 years!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:44 (twenty years ago)

of course, this is the first time ever that he has played here. that has a lot to do with it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:45 (twenty years ago)

I just watched "Live Forever" a few months ago, or I would have never even heard of Britpop. From what I can tell, Pulp's song "Common People" and the Elastica album are the only things I dig from that movement.

Although, there are only about 20 Nirvana songs, and maybe a handful of others that I enjoyed from the Grunge hype.

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Sunday, 29 January 2006 07:58 (twenty years ago)

BUSH WERE BRITISH!?

OK. I feel really out of the loop now.

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 29 January 2006 08:00 (twenty years ago)

Bush were also "the tribute band" according to Dave Grohl.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 29 January 2006 08:47 (twenty years ago)

Britpop to Brits > Grunge to Americans > Grunge to Brits > Britpop to Americans

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Sunday, 29 January 2006 08:56 (twenty years ago)

BUSH WERE BRITISH!?

Depends whether you are speaking of Bush the band or the American Royal Family.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 29 January 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

i really like Geir's jokes they have a playfulness and levity otherwise missing for ILm

― pscott (elwisty), Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

definitely Grunge to Brits. when I was 14 there was a faction of boys and girls both my age and a bit older prominently into Grunge bands which continued until Cobain topped himself then petered out naturally, as had 'Rave' by that point.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

This thread title is genius. I speak as an anglophile in the U.S.

I looked through an issue of Magnet magazine from that time and I thought "god things were a lot more clear cut then - all the good music came from the UK, and all the bad stuff came from the U.S." Nowadays it's a lot more complicated.

― Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Pretty sure Thom Yorke would pull an even more pained face if you told him Radiohead were Britpop.

Bahahahahahahah

― Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Heh. Live were widely derided as an REM knockoff when they showed up, not as part of the Grunge movement.
And where I was, in the 'burbs of Detroit, Britpop was HUGE due to CIMX (89X, one of the first X-branded stations) and their obsession with Blur, Pulp, Suede, Lush, Ride... etc. Oh, and the first Radiohead album (even through The Bends, they were definitely Britpop). There was WAY more Britpop played on the alt stations than there was grunge until a bit after Nirvana broke, then it trickled through the alt. stations to the trad-rock ones where Alice in Chains and Soundgarden became favorites (though this was probably around Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun and Jar of Flies for AIC). Oasis, at least around here, was pretty much where the britpop backlash began, and when post-grunge finally started overtaking pop radio, especially on the alt. channels. And while Stone Temple Pilot's fist album sounded like a Pearl Jam knock-off when it first came out, it's aged musch better, and their subsequent poppier albums are surprisingly good.
But yeah, Britpop was pretty big around here, but eventually got pushed out by Grunge's marketting muscle, which plunged us into the dark ages of commercial radio...

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't Brit-Pop supossed to be a "scene" that depended on the identification of brit youth with it's flag and country and pride of it? If so, how could it mean and transcend within the american culture? Grunge was more about "teen-angst" and universal teen themes with which lots of youngs around the world could identify making it easier to mean something for the listener out of it's original context. With that in mind I'd say Grunge has some advantage over Brit Pop.

― elgolfo (elgolfo), Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I think it's really Oasis who probably inadvertently ruined everything, rather than Nirvana.

― Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

hmmm...pulp and ride were hardly ever played on 89x. well ride was played a lot when that staion was only on at night and greg st james would play album cuts off of nowhere and smile but other than a few spins of 'leave them all behind' then not much. hardly any suede either, they could hardly squeeze it in what with all of the our lady peace and tragically hip they were forced to play. lush were big with 'ladykillers' that's about it. and live were derided? they were the biggest band i the country for a couple of years there, who could escape 'lightning crashes'? no one. britpop was definitely a niche market for anglophiles mainly and wasn't it cause this was pre 'queer eye...' and even in the 90s a lot of americans assumed these britpop bands were gay with their girls blouses and makeup. it was important that bands rocked! how else to explain the success of a lame band like soundgarden? oasis would come over and play awards shows and everyone would laugh at how puny they were and this was allegedly the greatest rock and roll band on the planet.

― keyth (keyth), Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Keyth, that Girls Who Are Boys was played practically nonstop, and the morning drive time DJ on 89X was some brit who played anglophile music nonstop (I remember him always pronouncing Counting Crows as "Canning Crows"). And that's where I heard about Pulp (fuck, even "Common People" was huge).
WCBN (freeform college radio) also had a huge britpop hardon at that point.
And yeah, Live got huge out of nowhere, but they were still called REM knockoffs over and over (and rightly so). Especially "Lightning Crashes." They were supposed to be the Christian version of Automatic for the People.
Oh, and by the way, Soundgarden was awesome for a band on the radio at that time. Their brand of arena rock really was a breath of fresh air after the '80s. And Superunknown is full of great tunes.

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 29 January 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Fwiw, the better part of Ride's career was definitely pre-Britpop... It all went to shit (as did a few other acts) when they started trying to ride the new trend.

Sometimes I think it's really Oasis who probably inadvertently ruined everything, rather than Nirvana.

-- Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff

Sometimes?? I'm pretty certain who had the most negative after-effects IHMO.

Nirvana -> Teen Spirit
Oasis -> Dadrock

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 29 January 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

There are people in their mid-twenties who work in my office who were, last week or the week before, playing Live over the communal stereo and rhapsodizing over how important that music had been to their formative years. Never have I felt more like Alex in NYC on one of his must-kill-everyone-now jags.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 29 January 2006 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't Brit-Pop supossed to be a "scene" that depended on the identification of brit youth with it's flag and country and pride of it?

More like British bands singing about British things and making no attempt to hide their British accents. But even so, lots of hip-hop is similarly "local" in its content, and I don't think that prevents foreigners from enjoying it.

Pulp also obliterated every grunge band when it came to teen angst, which is a huge reason why their music has transcended its time arguably better than any of their contemporaries.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 29 January 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

arrrtghh LIVE killed music, it's true

― POOP BITCH (Mandee), Sunday, 29 January 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

The weird thing about Pulp is that history has (rightly) seen them as being by miles the best Britpop band and yet unlike most of their contemporaries they had next to nothing to do with all that flag-waving nonsense that was going on at the time.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Also Suede were kind of fucked by not actually releasing an album in 1995, and everything that happened over here seemed like an enormous gulf when it came to distance between Dog Man Star and Coming Up.

To then extent that, had Brett Anderson timed things a bit better, Suede might have sold about ten times more records than they actually did.

(Aren't Suede still together, and like, releasing records and stuff? Weird...)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Teh Hobb completely OTM up there by the way.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Pulp surely = 20s/30s angst, no?

― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

(No one's actually claiming that Britpop was big in North America generally, right? I've always found something slightly strange about the way it's appreciated in Canada. It's hard to explain.)

― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

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Suede split in 2003 brett and bernard got back together as The Tears to well diminishing returns shall we say last year.

are pulp really seen as the best band to come from britpop? i mean on ilm yeh but in the wider world less so. john harris has sorta made himself the offical chronicler of britpop and reckons albarn the talent of the era. also that recent nme list has oasis at 3, blur at 5 or 6 and pulp at 7 i don't think Pulp are regarded in quite the same fashion in the wider world as they are here.

― pscott (elwisty), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:26 (twenty years ago)

Denim blew everyone out of the water. But they were works of genius, and not mere "Britpop" albums.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

yo ss do you think Denim are the best band of the 90s? cos that would be a cool thing to drop in a prospective review of that last go kart mozart album. "some critics have even said Denim were the best band of the 90s" or something....

― pscott (elwisty), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I do.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Think they were the best band of the 90's.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)

who could compare? (i know ilm thinks it was St. Etienne or Pavement or something silly like that, but ILM is silly.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Cypess Hill

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

you are right, scott not Dom. what did you think of Tearing Up The Album Charts? it made me feel quite sad.

― pscott (elwisty), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

The thing is I think Pulp appealed to a completely different, probably a more mature, audience than Blur and Oasis. Each band had a niche to fit into. Oasis were for the football/ladmag crowd, Blur for the girls and wimpier indie lads and Pulp, I think was more for over 21s. I didn't understand Pulp at all in 1995. Jarvis annoyed me a lot and I didn't really appreciate his sense of humour and deft lyrical wit. Oasis, bar maybe the odd track or two, bored the pants off me. Blur appealed more, partly because I was a wimpy indie lad but also because they were very good at being sonically interesting and always knew how to pull off a good pastiche.

― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

nah common people was my first single when i was 10 or 11 but the album scared the fuck out of me. i liked the songs about being odd but teh ones about sex were so so scary.

― pscott (elwisty), Monday, 30 January 2006 00:50 (twenty years ago)

Also I was a MASSIVE Ride fan circa '91 but does anyone care? Fuck no. And rightly so.

― Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Monday, 30 January 2006 01:22 (twenty years ago)

Also wow: Scott votes Denim his fave band of the 90's. I don't know that I've ever even heard them, pity me, though I'm a card carrying Felt fan.

― Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Monday, 30 January 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)

nah common people was my first single when i was 10 or 11 but the album scared the fuck out of me. i liked the songs about being odd but teh ones about sex were so so scary.

Oh absolutely. I had Disco 2000 on single but I was never tempted to get the album. I Spy was terrifying. Babies too.

― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

I think primarily Grunge has a bad rep, thanks to bands like STP and Alice in Chains, not to mention the bands who were'nt even from Washington.

Hey, STP = not from WA. Stop insulting my adopted state!

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 30 January 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Denim blew everyone out of the water. But they were works of genius, and not mere "Britpop" albums.

I'm surprised that Geir hasn't mentioned Dodgy yet.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 05:27 (twenty years ago)

lyra, are you from the same state as STP?

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Monday, 30 January 2006 09:16 (twenty years ago)

What a great question! I'm really not into grunge, my Nirvana phase was shortlived, and about 10 years too late. Britpop has a place in my heart, though, especially Suede and Oasis. To me, I'm much more happy to think of the effect britpop has had on my guitar playing FAR more than grunge. But really,

Britpop to Brits > Grunge to Americans > Grunge to Brits > Britpop to Americans sums it up well!

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 06:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised that Geir hasn't mentioned Dodgy yet.

Dodgy didn't even achieve the deserved popularity in the UK :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

grunge was huge here; britpop was in small part a reaction to it. i wouldn't say that nu metal (or whatever) was a reaction to britpop, if you catch my drift.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:37 (twenty years ago)

i had a pulp rekkid before i had an oasis record (1994). i totally disagree with yr premiss anyway (plus pulp are the sukc, face it).

i also don't think that rave 'overshadowed' grunge much; perhaps again this was a matter of different audiences, but nirvana had a longer half-life. probably more people now listen to nirvana than to rave (and i think that does tell us *something*, not sure what).

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

Most americans will respond "yeah man, Song 2" when you ask for their opinion about Blur. Blur made three albums I consider worth listening, you know, those 93, 94, 95 pieces... And none of those had Song 2 on it..

They will respond "yeah man, champagne supernova" when asked for opinion about oasis...

It's tricky with Oasis, I like Definitely Maybe, whats the story and The Masterplan are both solid but boring, neither differs from DM and neither is better than DM.

Personally, I haven't heard nearly half of Pulp's records, since they have been around from 83 or so.. His and Hers, Different Class, those albums are classic and I agree with that opinion above it's hard to appreciate Pulp unless you reach certain age.

The Verve? I love Storm in Heaven, I like Northern Soul(even though some of the songs annoy me) and I appreciate Urban Hymns(although most of the songs annoy me)

The grunge thing... I love Mudhoney's SB ep and Every good boy deserves fudge, those two are still great, I like In Utero from Nirvana, can pretty much appreciate all of their work though, I hated Alice In Chains first, then I heard Dirt while being stoned and I was hooked, I never liked any full album from Soundgarden, I came closer to like full TEN from PJ, Melvins music bores me, sorry

I don't care about any movements or styles, what matters is the music and most of those bands made at least one full album I can relate to somehow, I agree with Blur making clever music, love their guitar on most albums.

― J.B.B., Friday, 24 February 2006 10:32 (twenty years ago)

The Man Without Shadow>>> the lad was talking about the people Pulp appealed to, not about people who owned Pulp records while being young and disliked it, your existence proves the lad right

― J.B.B., Friday, 24 February 2006 10:36 (twenty years ago)

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