Has anyone ever bought something from caiman_com on Amazon's zshops?

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Pretty much every single thing I look at has them offering a "new" version of the same item for about half amazon's price. I tried wading through their feedback and it is truly bizarre and made my head hurt. The whole thing reads like an elaborate scam, and about a month ago I wrote them off as such. But a month later they're still listing items on Amazon, so now I'm starting to wonder. Have any ILX'ers bought anything from them? Am I needlessly worrying and passing up great bargains?

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

I've got CDs from them in the past with no troubles whatsoever, for what it's worth.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

yeah, caiman's been good to me

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Same as Dom P - used them several times, takes about a week to the UK, but fine.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I too have had no problem, but I try to get things from them one at a time. (no big orders)

but Donut has some stories IIRC.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

That is very helpful, actually. Thanks Dom (x2).

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

and to the rest of you all :)
xposts galore

this is all very reassuring

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

i can vouch

N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

yeh in general they're very good, postage sometimes takes a while, watch out for items around the 25 quid mark tho, i had to pay a customs charge of 6 quid on a box set around that value. but then it happened again and the charge was mysteriously paid for me so who knows

cw (cww), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

ive bought a bunch of stuff from them, and ive only had one or maybe two kinda lame experiences. i ordered the reissues of the first three funkadelic albums, and they delivered two of them sporadically, and cancelled maggot brain. part of that was a distributor problem, but theyre one of these places that lists everything they "can get," instead of everything they have on hand. so, sometimes stuff takes 7-10 days, where it would only take 2-3 days through someone else.

if im patient, theyre a great place to buy, because theyre pretty much always the cheapest. if i know ill get annoyed if it takes a little longer, ill put up 50¢ more and go through import_cd_specialists or something.

also
CLAIRE FROM CAIMAN SENDS ME EMAILS
THE CROCO-DEAL!

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

from what i can tell - and this is pure deduction from a bunch of experiences - caiman doesn't actually have any stock. i think they have some sort of massive constantly updated database of CDs that they can source from other sellers, which they list on amazon at a slight markup. i've ordered from them a bunch of times, sometimes the item shows up about a week later and sometimes it just never shows up and i get an endless "processing" message.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)

oops that was an xpost but exactly: they are like the amazon-within-amazon. it's no more or less of a scam than GEMM: they won't steal your money but you'll deal w/ lots of unfilled orders if you're after obscure stuff.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

i think they be operating out of germany now too?

clare is such a ho.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

I've had no problems with them (except they don't combine shipping and sometimes it takes a while for them to backfill part of an order.) But yeah it's not a scam or anything.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Whereabouts are you? They have a few different locations. I bought something from their store on eBay and it took a month to arrive, but if I'd gone through their British site (or eBay UK store if they have one) I might have only had to wait a week.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I've bought vinyl from them in the past and the service was pretty good, however the packaging wasn't very protective.

wireless, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually in South Florida, so the Miami location listed was appealing. And the stuff I've ordered isn't really obscure, just a bunch of the Salsoul "Anthology" discs - the prices were waaaay cheaper than anywhere else online. I've just put in a $100 order, so fingers crossed... thanks to all who responded. I'll bump this again (if I remember) when the stuff arrives to add my 2-cents to the thread.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

sometimes it takes a while for them to backfill part of an order

i have a backorder that's been "processing" for over a year.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Haha my experience has been closer to a couple of weeks, but yeah obv there is stuff they won't be able to get.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

i bought some things from them a while back and didn't have any problems

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I've bought lots of stuff from them, and only one thing - Tangerine Dream's Atem - took more than, say, 10 days to arrive. They've never canceled anything on me. And yeah, the prices are great.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I've had mixed experiences with Caiman. Some stuff shipped quickly, other stuff very slowly. A few things never materialized -- after several weeks -- and I had to send more than one insistent email to have those items cancelled and get my refund processed. (I did get the refund eventually.)

One disadvantage is that every item you order ships on its own schedule, so you don't get any discount on shipping for a large order.

Based on my own range of experiences, I'm unlikely to order from Caiman again.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

i bought something from them once and it arrived quickly

lf (lfam), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)


No, Caiman are the 'good guys' - believe me, I've bought in large volume from Amazon Marketplace. Caiman are professionals compared to most of the high-volume sellers from sweaty places like Florida and Texas and with names like "uwantit4less".

yarn, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Bought quite a few hard-to-find DVDs from the UK at bargain bin prices - a few weeks delay, but no complaints otherwise.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

tried to buy some singles off em before...
said they shipped and were delivered when in fact no such occurance happened.
they pleaded that they indeed did this, yet had to send about 6 emails in order to get any respone.
eventually got a refund...after a lenghty email battle

eedd, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I've ordered from them twice- first time was the Lindstrom & Prins Thomas album via ebay (great condition, came in fast, etc.). Second was the ZE Undercover comp, which arrived fast but the digipak was busted up by USPS. I returned it, and I've been waiting for a confirmation that they've gotten the return for about a month.

One thing, though- AVOID the seller "moviedogpound" on ebay like the plague. I tried to get the L&PT album from them a few weeks after it came out, and it took them over a month just to tell me it was backordered and they wouldn't be able to get it. Keep in mind this was a listing on ebay, where they're supposed to actually have the item they're selling. I ended up waiting two more months for the refund, and had to badger them about it all the way. And then paypal stiffs me $5 on the refund since I'd used a $5 off coupon on a second order I placed at the same time...grr.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Never had a problem with them -- needed to get some cheap Associates rarities one time, for instance, and they delivered without a worry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

i wrote this awhile back on this thread - AMAZON.COM WHY YOU BREAK HEART?

whatever you do, don't order cds from the amazon seller caiman.com. they sent the cds in the worst packaging and every one of the cd cases was cracked to pieces. retards!

-- amon (...), September 23rd, 2005.

my opinion hasn't changed. buyer b-w@rez

eman, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

honestly, cracked cases don't really bother me as long as the cd and booklet are in good shape. that they actually arrived was more my concern and reason for starting this thread.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I have used Caiman (i live in the UK) and not had any trouble. Takes about the length of time i'd expect for US - UK post. I've never bought anything particularly obscure, which must help.

Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

i've used them a few times and they've been fine; though my last two orders were unfulfilled; they were nice when i wrote to ask about it though and told me it would probably take two months to fill and suggested I cancel; they refunded promptly.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I ordered an SPK cd from them not too long ago. It took weeks to arrive. It was listed as new, it was new, but the case was totally broken. I don't know if that was their fault, but I can't really complain, because the cd was so cheap anyway.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

No qualms with Caiman whatsoever. Like many of the above, got some rare stuff at a great price and on schedule.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

from what i can tell - and this is pure deduction from a bunch of experiences - caiman doesn't actually have any stock. i think they have some sort of massive constantly updated database of CDs that they can source from other sellers, which they list on amazon at a slight markup. i've ordered from them a bunch of times, sometimes the item shows up about a week later and sometimes it just never shows up and i get an endless "processing" message.
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...), Today 8:45 AM. (vahid)

HI DERE AQUARIUS RECORDS

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)

i just got captain beefheart from them this week. no problems.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

I've ordered from them a bunch of times and besides being a little on the slow side, I only had one slight problem. One album I ordered was taking a really long time. When I contacted them they told me the item was backordered, which was weird as they were still listing the album. I did eventually get the album, though.

D. Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

see the thing with the broken cases is just that there is no excuse for it. their entire business is shipping out cds/dvds so you'd think they would sort out getting some proper disk packaging.

nervous.gif (eman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:55 (twenty years ago)

[requisite "more liek gayman.com!!!" joke goes here]

nervous.gif (eman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

ok well fwiw, two things are already listed as having shipped today, two are "in transit" and have a scheduled delivery date before the end of the month, and two are still "processing"

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I love those guys. You know, you can just shop them directly and not go through Amazon at all.

The emails I get from them are really odd, though. When I order something, they'll send me a 'placeholder' email that has random database strings in the place of what I ordered.

Also they'll say 'we'll tell you when we shipped' and suddenly the thing arrives with no email to tell me it's on its way.

English is not the first language of the people manning the help desk, as well.

But on the whole they're great. They just need to work on their communication with customers as when things start to go wrong, you're in the dark.

Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Yah. I fired off another email today to see if they're thinking about maybe considering starting to work on my return (phrased more diplomatically of course) and got a snippy and borderline incomprehensible response. For the record, it has been over a month since I sent the CD to them via first-class mail from Alabama to Florida.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)

If they have a seriously hard to find record listed for sale and nobody else does, they definitely don't have it. Otherwise I guess they are ok but their fill ratio has been way too spotty for me, so I avoid them.

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:26 (twenty years ago)

i agree with whoever said they need to sort out the packaging, but otherwise my experiences with them have been decent.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Other than being pretty slow on some orders, I have never had any problems with Caiman with cancelled orders. I've currently have the self titled Humble Pie CD on order from them right now, which just recently came back into print.

Since I moved into the boondocks, the Amazon marketplace has become my record store. I have had pretty good luck with only a couple of times having some orders out of a bunch get really screwed up.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:50 (twenty years ago)

In their role as a dropshipper, I think they've ordered from me a couple of times and had me ship to the actual customer. It might have been a different middleman, I can't remember.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

I've had enough no-sends/no-refunds from them that I avoid them when possible.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 20 April 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)

first one arrived today (5 days after purchase). one more says it's shipped at the same time, so it may come in my office's second mail batch today. and all 4 of the others are showing as "in transit" with estimated delivery dates - all by May 1.

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 24 April 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

4 have now arrive, two more to go, and both are showing as having already shipped a couple of days ago.

overall i'd say this has been a terrific shopping experience. :)

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

4 have now *arrived*, obv

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

congrats dude

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

ive only recently had my first success receiving ANYTHING from GEMM

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I've had nothing but SHIIIITTY dealings with caiman.com -- no problems with common items, just problems with rarer items.

The main problem is: "Claire" is a bot, so so obviously. You actually send a question to caiman, and Dr. Sbaitzo or ELIZA has a better chance of answering your question in better english than Caiman ever will... and it's not that they don't know English.. it's very much a strategy to frustrate you into a state where you want to just say "fuck it" and not bother, but I managed to get many refunds from caiman before through A2Z claims... You have to work to get your revenge, but I got mine

DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

In short, NEVER CAIMAN AGAIN. I don't care if they're the lesser of other reseller evils. They're still evil.

DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah, after reading some of the situations in this thread i made sure to put it all on AmEx, since they've been amazing about chargebacks when ordering stuff by mail. But fortunately I haven't had to go that route so far.

And this has been a good experience for some stuff that, while not rare, was pretty expensive from all other avenues (and randomly out of stock most places):

Instant Funk - The Anthology 2xCD
Walter Gibbons Salsoul Anthology: Mixed With Love 3xCD
Salsoul Orchestra - Deluxe Anthology 2xCD
Inner Life - The Anthology 2xCD
Holloway, Loleatta - Anthology 2xCD
First Choice - The Anthology 2xCD

All said and done, 13 new import discs bought and shipped for under $100.
Hard to beat.

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

i have bought some out of prints cds from caiman at very honest prices and never had problems, everything arrived, so they are to me very OK

francesco brunetti, Friday, 28 April 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)

how exactly do these guys make any money? i imagine some sweatshop with illegal immigrant labor, or maybe prison labor?

amateurist0, Friday, 28 April 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

As far as I know, you are not supposed to advertise anything via Amazon that you do not have in stock at that time. You are agreeing to ship it within 2 working days if you advertise there. Anything else is naughty, and you can report it.

Also, if you order through Amazon and have a problem, they will refund you if Caiman don't.

I always assumed that the prices they charge are American prices, which are cheaper than UK prices, but they still make their profit.

But perhaps not.

I would not trust Caiman myself, but I have no experience.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

I've ordered from Caiman many times and they've always made me real happy. Nice way to get imports at reasonable prices if you're in the U.S. I'm surprised and sorry to hear others have had problems.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)

It's now been almost seven weeks since I sent them a CD for a simple exchange, and they refuse to acknowledge they've gotten it. I suspect this is total bullshit, as I'm only two states over and two other packages I sent off on the same day (one overseas, even) have long since arrived.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:58 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone have discount codes for Caiman? Thanks.

monbu, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

ordered once or twice. no problems yet. something i don't understand about amazon. they seem to dig their own grave with those zshops. why should i order at amazon when it's much cheaper in the zshops. amazon must get something when you order at the zshops but it cannot be as lucrative for them than if you order directly at amazon. somehow those zshops seem to be half illegal. they undercut the official shop prices by 50% or something.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

oh i meant to bump this yesterday - my copy of the 3-disc Walter Gibbons comp landed in my mailbox and finished my order. no crazy waits, some really crazy (aka great!) prices and no hassle to speak of.

my guess is i'll be buying from them again in the not too distant future.

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it seems a little prudish to be too nervous about caiman. they have like a 90 or 91 approval rating from customers, and while that's a bit on the low side for the bigger merchants there, I bet amazon's actual approval rating wouldn't be much higher

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

amazon must get something when you order at the zshops but it cannot be as lucrative for them than if you order directly at amazon.

They get 10% off the top of thousands, tens of thousands, of orders per day, just for keeping the website and databases up and running smoothly. (Some times more smoothly than others.) Plus $40/month in free cash money from each of thousands of Pro Sellers, plus 99 cents per sale from all other non-Pro-Seller transactions. It's a huge revenue stream for them, and there are still a lot of buyers out there who won't buy from 3P sellers, who stick with Amazon Central. (I'm married to one.)

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

the only downside of the zshops i can see: there seems to be no way to save on delivery costs. i even ordered two cds at the same shop (i guess it was caiman) at the same time but i have to pay three dollars for postage (i am in germany) for each of them. that's nuts. maybe they have a deal with fedex or something.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

caiman's us-uk postage is far less than amazon's domestic p&p.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:13 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the p&p pegged at Amazon's standard rate (i.e. if you buy a CD through amazon.co.uk and have it delivered to the UK, it's £1.25 no matter where or who it comes from)? I thought it was but I'll be pleased if you can tel me a way of reducing postal charges.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

dunno, i probably mean buying r-1 dvd from amazon.com vs buying r-1 dvd thru caiman -- in that case, caiman is better. i think when i started using caiman amaozn.co.uk was more expensive, but i could be wrong/and/or it might have changed.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Going by this thread a 90% approval seems high.

Don't think I'd trust them with more than one night's beers money.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:25 (twenty years ago)

didn't someone say that amazon guarantees the money?

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

In my experience, the prices Caiman charge through Amazon.co.uk are a bit higher than the ones they charge through Amazon.com, but the cheaper postage through .co.uk usually more than makes up for it. I'm talking about CDs: I know nothing about DVDs, obv.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Amazon gurantees the money. Thus:

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After reading carefully through the guidelines below, click the link to submit your claim:

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PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

if you buy a CD through amazon.co.uk and have it delivered to the UK, it's £1.25 no matter where or who it comes from
i don't pay any postage at amazon.de when i order for more than 20 euros. that's what i always do. either two cds or a cd and a book. book deliveries are free of charge anyway. there seems to be no accumulating of orders through the zshops (via amazon.de) to save on delivery charges.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

One thing to consider when asking for your money back from Amazon--they only let you do it three times, max, lifetime. Which is total BS if you buy a lot of stuff from the zShops (hidere). I've ripped off twice already, so I guess I only have one more shot at a refund. And if that happens I won't be shopping there anymore.

Also, the lack of combined shipping when ordering from the same seller on zShops is a complete dud. On half.com you get a nice discount on the second item.

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Three times total? Do you mind posting that tenet in the EULA? That sounds awfully bullshitty to me.

DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

"One thing to consider when asking for your money back from Amazon--they only let you do it three times, max, lifetime. Which is total BS if you buy a lot of stuff from the zShops (hidere)."

Yeah but it doesn't really matter what Amazon sez. You can just go to your credit-card company and institute a chargeback. It might take a moment for the credit to come back to you (although for stuff between $1-15 bucks my CC company has just said whatever and given me the money immediately.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

You'll get your money back without much fuss is what I meant to say above.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

xpost

They must have upped it to five after my nastygram.

Buyers are limited to a lifetime maximum of five claims for Amazon Marketplace, Auctions and zShops purchases.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/537868/

Hopefully that link works

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

You're right alex but I just thought it was a douchey policy. It just seemed like they were saying "think twice before you make a claim, because really it cuts into our business model if we actually have to police this thing. "

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

For what it's worth, I've gotten my money back from either Amazon and/or resellers due to messed up orders clearly more than three times without having to resort to a credit card company.

Is this "three times max" thing a new thing? Or does it just apply to "I've changed my mind, I want to cancel this purchase without any good reason other than I changed my mind" type refunds?

DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm not saying it isn't douche-y. I'm just saying it won't be an impediment to you getting a refund.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

From the above, it seems the five-only applies to resellers and not to purchases directly from Amazon's catalog. So, in effect, I've only used up two (both with Caiman, you fucking bastards).

I'm currently a reseller with 5.0 stars there, and I'm noticing that, despite my not having THEE cheapest price available for certain CD-single items (maybe slightly more) I'm still selling those items over the cheaper ones. The five-times-max thing makes a lot more sense to me now.

DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Right but the max is only for claims, not for refunds. I've had plenty of guys refund me when things were out of stock or for other reasons. The only way you'd have to use a claim is if the seller refuses to give you a refund.

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

The five times thing applies specifically to refunds from resellers requested through Amazon. It doesn't apply to the reseller refunding you on their own or anything like that. Part of it is obv Amazon trying to get the customer/reseller to resolve the situation themselves before they get involved. Either way like I said it's not a big deal.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Argh. Now I'm wishing I'd made my order through amazon zshops instead of ebay- I still haven't gotten them to admit any mistake on their part.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

I'd stay away from them. I ordered something which didn't come and didn't come. Of course, they had already charged my credit card. After 8 weeks went by I cancelled the order with them. A month later they shipped it anyway. When I returned the unwanted item, they charged me a restocking fee. I may hVe been lucky in the past, but this is my first internet store ripoff.

Noel Jensen, Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Caiman forces you to file a claim. I've had reseller difficulties before, but they've always refunded on their own. Caiman won't do that. They don't have to -- since it's just a little blood under the bridge for them.

DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Caiman are kinda like a more annoying, inept buy.com or Fry's of Amazon resellers, essentially. You could score great deals, but increase your chances of having to get a refund on something and go through a lot of pain trying to get it.

DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone here filed a claim through ebay instead of Amazon? How would one go about doing it?

el cosa teléfono, Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and two amazon zshop sellers I can recommend without hesitation: Newbury Comics' zshop sales (I think they use zshops to dump overstocked items, but whatever the reason I was able to get Chicken Lips' DJ-Kicks for $7 and change brand-new, also the first two Human League reissues) and Alphacraze (discounts aren't too great, but they're cheaper than most places for some labels like Kompakt, Bpitch Control, et al, and their service has been excellent over seven orders so far).

el cosa teléfono, Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)


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