Pretty much every single thing I look at has them offering a "new" version of the same item for about half amazon's price. I tried wading through their feedback and it is truly bizarre and made my head hurt. The whole thing reads like an elaborate scam, and about a month ago I wrote them off as such. But a month later they're still listing items on Amazon, so now I'm starting to wonder. Have any ILX'ers bought anything from them? Am I needlessly worrying and passing up great bargains?
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)
but Donut has some stories IIRC.
― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)
this is all very reassuring
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)
― cw (cww), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)
if im patient, theyre a great place to buy, because theyre pretty much always the cheapest. if i know ill get annoyed if it takes a little longer, ill put up 50¢ more and go through import_cd_specialists or something.
alsoCLAIRE FROM CAIMAN SENDS ME EMAILSTHE CROCO-DEAL!
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)
clare is such a ho.
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)
― wireless, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)
i have a backorder that's been "processing" for over a year.
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)
One disadvantage is that every item you order ships on its own schedule, so you don't get any discount on shipping for a large order.
Based on my own range of experiences, I'm unlikely to order from Caiman again.
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)
― lf (lfam), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)
― yarn, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)
― Soukesian, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)
― eedd, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)
One thing, though- AVOID the seller "moviedogpound" on ebay like the plague. I tried to get the L&PT album from them a few weeks after it came out, and it took them over a month just to tell me it was backordered and they wouldn't be able to get it. Keep in mind this was a listing on ebay, where they're supposed to actually have the item they're selling. I ended up waiting two more months for the refund, and had to badger them about it all the way. And then paypal stiffs me $5 on the refund since I'd used a $5 off coupon on a second order I placed at the same time...grr.
― Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)
whatever you do, don't order cds from the amazon seller caiman.com. they sent the cds in the worst packaging and every one of the cd cases was cracked to pieces. retards!
-- amon (...), September 23rd, 2005.
my opinion hasn't changed. buyer b-w@rez
― eman, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)
HI DERE AQUARIUS RECORDS
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― D. Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)
― nervous.gif (eman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:55 (twenty years ago)
― nervous.gif (eman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:03 (twenty years ago)
The emails I get from them are really odd, though. When I order something, they'll send me a 'placeholder' email that has random database strings in the place of what I ordered.
Also they'll say 'we'll tell you when we shipped' and suddenly the thing arrives with no email to tell me it's on its way.
English is not the first language of the people manning the help desk, as well.
But on the whole they're great. They just need to work on their communication with customers as when things start to go wrong, you're in the dark.
― Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)
― Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:26 (twenty years ago)
― breakfast pants (disco stu), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:33 (twenty years ago)
Since I moved into the boondocks, the Amazon marketplace has become my record store. I have had pretty good luck with only a couple of times having some orders out of a bunch get really screwed up.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:50 (twenty years ago)
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)
― I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 20 April 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 24 April 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)
overall i'd say this has been a terrific shopping experience. :)
― rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)
The main problem is: "Claire" is a bot, so so obviously. You actually send a question to caiman, and Dr. Sbaitzo or ELIZA has a better chance of answering your question in better english than Caiman ever will... and it's not that they don't know English.. it's very much a strategy to frustrate you into a state where you want to just say "fuck it" and not bother, but I managed to get many refunds from caiman before through A2Z claims... You have to work to get your revenge, but I got mine
― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)
And this has been a good experience for some stuff that, while not rare, was pretty expensive from all other avenues (and randomly out of stock most places):
Instant Funk - The Anthology 2xCDWalter Gibbons Salsoul Anthology: Mixed With Love 3xCDSalsoul Orchestra - Deluxe Anthology 2xCDInner Life - The Anthology 2xCDHolloway, Loleatta - Anthology 2xCD First Choice - The Anthology 2xCD
All said and done, 13 new import discs bought and shipped for under $100.Hard to beat.
― rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)
― francesco brunetti, Friday, 28 April 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)
― amateurist0, Friday, 28 April 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)
Also, if you order through Amazon and have a problem, they will refund you if Caiman don't.
I always assumed that the prices they charge are American prices, which are cheaper than UK prices, but they still make their profit.
But perhaps not.
I would not trust Caiman myself, but I have no experience.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)
― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)
― Telephonething (Telephonething), Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:58 (twenty years ago)
― monbu, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)
my guess is i'll be buying from them again in the not too distant future.
― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)
They get 10% off the top of thousands, tens of thousands, of orders per day, just for keeping the website and databases up and running smoothly. (Some times more smoothly than others.) Plus $40/month in free cash money from each of thousands of Pro Sellers, plus 99 cents per sale from all other non-Pro-Seller transactions. It's a huge revenue stream for them, and there are still a lot of buyers out there who won't buy from 3P sellers, who stick with Amazon Central. (I'm married to one.)
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:13 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)
Don't think I'd trust them with more than one night's beers money.
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:25 (twenty years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)
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― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)
Also, the lack of combined shipping when ordering from the same seller on zShops is a complete dud. On half.com you get a nice discount on the second item.
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)
Yeah but it doesn't really matter what Amazon sez. You can just go to your credit-card company and institute a chargeback. It might take a moment for the credit to come back to you (although for stuff between $1-15 bucks my CC company has just said whatever and given me the money immediately.)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)
They must have upped it to five after my nastygram.
Buyers are limited to a lifetime maximum of five claims for Amazon Marketplace, Auctions and zShops purchases.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/537868/
Hopefully that link works
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)
Is this "three times max" thing a new thing? Or does it just apply to "I've changed my mind, I want to cancel this purchase without any good reason other than I changed my mind" type refunds?
― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)
I'm currently a reseller with 5.0 stars there, and I'm noticing that, despite my not having THEE cheapest price available for certain CD-single items (maybe slightly more) I'm still selling those items over the cheaper ones. The five-times-max thing makes a lot more sense to me now.
― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)
― Noel Jensen, Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)
― el cosa teléfono, Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)
― el cosa teléfono, Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)