Ultimate Battle: "High Land, Hard Rain" vs. "Cafe Bleu"

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Two Scoops (Magic Duster), Monday, 24 April 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Ouch. Tough one!

Both albums are wildly inconsistent, with notable high points.

I'd probably get more milage out of High Land, Hard Rain at this point. Roddy's chord progressions and melodies are always worth paying attention to.

But I really have a soft spot for "Paris Match" on Cafe Bleu. That song makes me want to drink and smoke at 3 in the morning.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Me too.

I always liked the fact that on side 1, after the full on "Gift" album, you have to wait awhile for P.Weller's vocals

Mind you, I knew "A Gospel" was a dud track from day 1. It took Paul Weller 15 years to admit that.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

Cafe Bleu is definitely not Weller's best work, though as usual with the council, it was the singles that mattered. High Land Hard Rain is the work of a boy genius from start to finish. Roddy never came close to that again.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 08:24 (twenty years ago)

1) No, it was the Style Council's best work. The ideas of a conglomeration of styles and stylists, realised. After this, it was all "Paul and Mick"...

2) How! True! That! Is! How! True! That! Is! How! True! That! Is! How! True! That! Is!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Paris Match is a lovely track, but I prefer it as the b side to the Long Hot Summer 12".

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 08:55 (twenty years ago)

Even the "Tracy Thorn" version?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

omg, i'd actually forgotten she sang the album version. just goes to show how long it is since i've actually played that album from start to finish. of course i love her voice.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

Café Bleu + the "Long Hot Summer" 4-track EP + the 7" version of "My Ever Changing Moods" = where the Style Council got it right. This is the one point in Weller's career where his music became genuinely emotionally affecting.

(Or maybe it's just because I was living in Berlin, where I had elevated sipping cappucinos in cafés to a major lifestyle choice. Yeah, it was probably that.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:41 (twenty years ago)

Heck, we were doing the same in Reading.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:00 (twenty years ago)

"No, it was the Style Council's best work."

Not just The Style Council's, I would humbly sugest that it was Paul Weller's best work.

It still doesn't even come close to High Land Hard Rain 'though.

Somewhere there an otherwise identical (but clearly better) parallel universe, where Roddy Frame regularly appears on the front cover of monthly music magazines and receives accolades for "lifetime achievement", whilst Paul Weller languishes in relative obscurity, only managing to eek out a meager living by periodically touring with a reformed Style Council (of course he has repeatedly begged Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler to join him in reforming The Jam, only to have them laugh sneeringly in his face).

"Heck, we were doing the same in Reading."

Only, being Reading; and therefore only having access to a slightly narrower range of "lifestyle choices"; we used to hang around that strange (and long gone) greasy-spoon place on the island in the middle of the road between The Butts market place and St Mary's church, next to the entrance to the underground toilets (which presumably are still down there somewhere under a great big block of concrete - a bit like The Target only slightly pleasanter smelling iirc) drinking tea with 8 spoonfuls of sugar out of big, thick, chipped mugs, instead of sipping cappucinos in cafés obv.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:32 (twenty years ago)

*Café Bleu + the "Long Hot Summer" 4-track EP + the 7" version of "My Ever Changing Moods" = where the Style Council got it right. This is the one point in Weller's career where his music became genuinely emotionally affecting. *

I'd have to add Shout to the Top to that list, though I was shocked the other day to discover that my best mate from schooldays thinks it cheesy.
The second album is even more up and down, but I still love the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Yes, yes its capuccino quaffing, pringle-clad white soulboy 80s pop, but it's a great example of it.

Thanx to the Reading massive, but I'm not going to regale you with my memories of slough

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:36 (twenty years ago)

xpost That greasy spoon island is still there! (I think)

The capuchino place we used to hang round was The Ivy, down Friar's walk. It closed down but stayed 'there' until it got renovated into Sainsbury's just recently.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Clearly Mark S and I will be the only ones here to wave our lonely flags in favour of Confessions Of A Pop Group...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:43 (twenty years ago)

"I'm not going to regale you with my memories of slough"

Please feel free: I used to work in Slough for 3-4 years - along the Farnham Road, just past Safeway, opposite a branch of Woolworths that had been opened (presumably in a fit of insane optimism) slap bang in the middle of a predominantly industrial area; so I may even join in.

The stench of burning creme egg that used to pour out of the Mars factories as you drove through that estate first thing in the morning was enough to put anyone off chocolate for life.

Have any bands / musicians other than Thousand Yard Stare ever come from Slough?

"That greasy spoon island is still there!"

The island is still there - they pulled the greasy spoon down; and put a bloody great slab of concrete right where the top of the stairs that led down to the toilets must be; at least 20 years ago!

Back in the '60's, '70's and at least up to the beginning of the '80's, all the buses used to stop there and all the drivers used to use the greasy spoon.

Stewart (not missing the Thames Valley even one tiny bit) Osborne (Stewart Osbor, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Yes, I'd put "Shout To The Top" on the same list.

Re. the espousal of the cappucino "lifetstyle": I can still remember the outraged letters to the NME from "betrayed" Jam fans.

"We haven't got many coffee shops in Bolton."

Fair comment, really.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:00 (twenty years ago)

mark g, i've just posted a long recollection of the heady days of slough which promptly vanished into cyberspace.
My first job was actually on the slough trading estate, for the factory that made rennies and aspros.
I remember there was a punk compilation album titled Escape From Slough - luckily I did.
Bands from round Slough/Windsor. Polly Hancock of the Popinjays hailed from round there (if you remember tehm) as did Andy Weatherall (who went to my school). Sarah Cracknell of St Etienne lived on Bexley Street, Windsor, and was then in a band called Primetime with a bloke called Mick Bund. Her mum used to wear a fur coat and still owes me £50 for a gig coach. Good live bands were Bob Kiley and the Company and my mates the Premonitions, but I don't think either were ever signed. There was also a fab psychedelic band called the Onlookers, who made one great single.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Note the lack of parallel reminiscences of East Kilbride. Does that mean that the Style Council have "won"?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:31 (twenty years ago)

No way, High Land gets my vote. Woking just ain't exotic enough for a slough boy

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:34 (twenty years ago)

"Polly Hancock of the Popinjays hailed from round there (if you remember tehm)"

Aaaah yes, I remember the delightful Ms. Hancock extremely well indeed - going back to when she was in a band called B-Stream with some friends from school, and could only afford to have one "L" in "Poly"!

Primetime used to gig around Reading a lot before they moved up to London. I slept on Sarah & Mick's floor a couple of times when they were gigging around London with an old Reading-based band called Boys From Brazil.

They were all really Windsor rather than Slough 'though, weren't they?

IIRC there was another really good band 'from 'round that area (Slough ? Windsor?) around the same time (early '80's) with a monosyllabic interogative name (IF...? But...?) who were like a cross between The Jam and The Specials / Madness....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

The greasy spoon, if not "still there", certainly is *back*. It's a small blue shack now, but it's still pretty much the same sort of thing. The bogs are gone, sure, but that wasn't the point of the nostalgic reminisce (was it?)...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:42 (twenty years ago)

One of the best gigs I've ever seen was The Passage at Slough College - loocal punx poured beer into one of the synths and blew it up, resulting in an angry set with more guitars than planned.

I used to play Cricket for a team that used the Aspro ground - my unbeaten 18 helped us clinch the Thames Valley Research league title in 1991 - my only sporting medal!

Mick Bund was in Felt at one point, IIRC.

I used to go to a greasy spoon on Queen's Road in Reading, not far from the biscuit factory.

**Not just The Style Council's, I would humbly sugest that it was Paul Weller's best work**

Gah! you softy, Osborne.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

"Re. the espousal of the cappucino "lifetstyle": I can still remember the outraged letters to the NME from "betrayed" Jam fans.

"We haven't got many coffee shops in Bolton."

Fair comment, really."

Funny how they'd never seemed to complain quite so much about the shortage of Ben Shermans with button-down collars, 3-button mohair or tonic suits, authentic fishtail parkas, or 2-tone Shellys brogues or winkle-pickers, in their local shopping emporia 'though.....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I bumped into polly hancock purely by chance a year or so back at university college hospital. She's now working as a photographer for the Hampstead and Highgate express, I don't think she still does music.
I once played trumpet on the popinjays peel session, in what must be the worst performance ever recorded on that instrument.
can't recall the jam/madness hybrid from the slough area - i'll ask my mate luc, though his memory is shot to pieces

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

"The greasy spoon, if not "still there", certainly is *back*. It's a small blue shack now, but it's still pretty much the same sort of thing."

Oh! All this excitement I've been missing!

Actually I have a strange recollection that the original got burned - in fact it may even have been part of Reading's somewhat halfhearted and lacklustre contribution to the '81 riots...

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

slough's greasiest greasy spoon was the Chuckwagon B&B on the bath road. cardiovascular disease on a plate - bliss

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

"I bumped into polly hancock purely by chance a year or so back at university college hospital. She's now working as a photographer for the Hampstead and Highgate express, I don't think she still does music."

Last I heard she was something to do with the Mean Fiddler organisation - but that would be quite a bit further back than a year or so.

If you do happen to bump into her again, tell her Eddie from Grinding Halt sends his regards!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Slough was the last place on earth to have a "Golden Egg" cafe, i reckon.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:05 (twenty years ago)

not much in the old town is recognisable these days, apart from the station. Does anyone remember Studio One?

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Man, this place is painfully slow today.

Or is it just me?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

"Slough was the last place on earth to have a "Golden Egg" cafe, i reckon."

I was astonished to discover recently that there's an establishment in Dorchester called "The Gorge Cafe" - it even had it's name written in that same odd mock-Gothic script that the one on the corner of Caversham Road and Richfield Avenue in Reading has had for at least the last 30 years to my knowledge and I was staring to suspect that this couldn't be mere coincidence and must be evidence of some sort of bizarre chain or franchise arrangement....

On closer inspection however, the establishment in Dorchester was quite clearly lacking both the all-important aging bikers motif and the trademark confused hippy (the one who either still hasn't quite got himself organised to leave yet, 6 months after last year's festival finished, or has arrived 6 months early for next year's festival, and is just hanging around...) which are such an intrinsic part of the character of the Reading one.

http://www.citikey.com/static/images/business/10053159.jpg

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, there's one on the south coast (brighton? Bournemouth?) of the same ilk.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Plymouth!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Just gave Cafe Bleu a spin for the first time in years as a result of this thread, and was glad I did.
Side 1 holds together well in a gitanes-smokin jazz kind of way, and achieves its aim of gleefully smashing the yoke of the jam.
Side 2 is a mess. But amongst the execrable raps, the under-powered pop and mick-strumentals are 2 of the finest things weller ever recorded: you're the best thing, obviously, and headstart for happiness; steve white's drumming and dc lee's vocals are pure joy. in these songs, the council did everything just right.

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

"The stench of burning creme egg that used to pour out of the Mars factories as you drove through that estate first thing in the morning was enough to put anyone off chocolate for life."

Can't believe no-one's picked up on this yet.

Anyway: HLHR everytime. Checked shirts, desert boots & bootlace ties over white socks & loafers. All articles about Aztec Camera seemed to mention Love, which made me buy Forever Changes at the age of 13. Of course I hated it then, because it sounded nothing like Aztec Camera.

bham (bham), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I used to work in Burnham as well. Very true.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

In certain parts of slough it depended on what way the wind was blowing whether you got a noseful of mars bar or the sewage works.
come friendly bombs, etc...

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Has the sewage works closed down? It's been years since I smelled it from the M4...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, I only go that way to see my mum these days

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:36 (twenty years ago)

I was going off Aztec Camera by the time HLHR came out - but then I've always thought that "Just Like Gold" was their/his finest hour. (They had a long way to slide yet, of course: "Why does it take the tears of a woman to see how men are?", blecch.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)

"Mattress Of Wire" was for me their absolute peak. I saw them playing it for the first time in Toffs Bar, just a couple of doors down from the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, in early '81 and the whole room shut up in a silence of awe (mingled with gasps of "he's only fecking fifteen." Indeed...). Wish Roddy wouldn't be so sniffy about reissuing the Postcard singles on CD.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Am still reeling from my rediscovery of Headstart for Happiness, the Cafe Bleu and live version, prompted by this discussion. The song was an acoustic B-side on Money go Round, but extra sections were added, along with horns and a full band, for the album. There's a key change to die for, after weller and D.C. sing the word 'confidence'. (You can't find the chords anywhere on the internet, even for the acoustic version, so I felt compelled to work it out over the weekend.) the greatest thing TSC ever did? Very possibly.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

But this should be Roddy's thread by rights. HLHR has never been off my playlist since 1983 really. What is remarkable is how fresh and delightful it still sounds. In retrospect he was far ahead of the peers he was sometimes compared with. All those 9ths and 13ths, aug and dim chords. Prefab Sprout were mining that seam, but it often sounded awkward, forced; with Frame it was effortless. Compare HLHR lyrically with Elvis Costello's Punch the Clock, which now seems such a wordy, heavy-handed affair. Roddy's teenage poetry never did shake the world, but it's still nimble and inspired. Rhyming oblivious with obvious, for instance. Ray Davies would like that.
Above all else there's the songwriting. Lots of potential singles - Walk out to Winter, the Boy Wonders, Pillar to Post; tons of ballads; the iron-curtain epic Release, We Could Send Letters (so wide in scale and reach it could almost be in Cinemascope); and perhaps best of all that final acoustic short Down the Dip, which can only be compared to early Dylan classics like Don't Think Twice.
The musicianship is superb throughout, but the Aztecs never sound like session men. In other hands all those flailing guitars could sound kitsch, but never here. The only thing that dates it is the syn-drum.
The truth is that Roddy set the standard against which all other singer/songwriters of the 80s should be judged. Playing this album off against Weller's best 80s album was a smart move, as only he came close to matching the songcraft on display here.

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Pivotal moment, Aztec Camera on TOTP2 doing "Oblivious", Alice says "I want my guitar", and basically strummed along to the song. She'd be about three then. I think that possibly shaped her ambition there.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Important they should show taste at an early age. My youngest Jude (4) is currently into 'A Message to You Rudy'.

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 13:42 (twenty years ago)


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