JAMC get the Rhino reissue treatment

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According to Pitchfork, on July 11th Rhino will reissue remastered dual discs of all the Jesus and Mary Chain records up to Munki.

So, will we be suckered into buying them all over again? I must admit a remastered Psychocandy sounds very tempting.

― Jeff K (jeff k), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:00 (twenty years ago)

hopefully this time they'll clean up all that darn feedback

(Okay, someone had to do it)

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:05 (twenty years ago)

yeah, lock thread

― flea market economy (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Lord.

Anyway, any bonus tracks or what?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

The videos do sound mighty tempting, though. I was disappointed that the Talking Heads reissues only had live tracks and not music videos as well- they would easily fit and there's no Talking Heads dvd out that they'd be competing with. Well, not yet anyway.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't sound like there's any bonus tracks. Just videos.

― Jeff K (jeff k), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

I read this as "JAYMC getting the rhino reissue treatment."

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'll pick Psychocandy up for sure, maybe some of the others. I just wish I knew what other parts of their catalog were worth it.

― Harrison Barr (Petar), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, would it have killed them to put Vegetable Man on the first one as a bonus track?

― dlp9001 (dlp9001), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

...and am I remembering wrong, or wasn't there a video for Upside Down?

― dlp9001 (dlp9001), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)

There is going to be a "Rarities" box set, which I suppose means B-sides, unless the B-sides albums are being reissued as well.

I would like these, but for free. Or at least for cheap.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:25 (twenty years ago)

darklands for sure. probably psychocandy too, although i love the sound on that one so much i don't know if i want to hear a remaster. and definitely barbed wire kisses.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 April 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Corps de Blimeyz.

Psychocandy should have the extras of:
Upside Down 12" single tracks (Upside Down, Vegetable man, Upside Down demo)
"Jesus Suck" unused b-side (It's not that great, but hey)
Oh, and the DVD rendition of "Psychotherapy", the video compilation I made (one copy exists) which goes up from the riot gig up to "Sidewalking"

Which of those are more likely than the others, I leave you to guess.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:22 (twenty years ago)

a friend saw them around the time of "sidewalking," when it was just the reids and a drum machine (right?). she said it was just 20 minutes of badly mixed scree.

man i love "sidewalking."

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

'Ambition' would be nice too. and 'Boyfriend's Dead'. i did go through all my j&mc recently comparing what i had with the discog that was in the reverence(?) 12" box. there's about 6-10 tracks that i have that never made it to cd and another 6-10 that i don't have at all. so, er, all of those please. (they were bastards for limited edition double 7" packs back in the day)

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:35 (twenty years ago)

The 12" box was for the "far gone and out" single. But it's kept my LP of "Honey's Dead" nice and clean all these years.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:43 (twenty years ago)

she said it was just 20 minutes of badly mixed scree

Wasn't that their whole career?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 28 April 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Great news -- all will be musts except maybe 'Automatic.' But then again ... 'Gimme Hell'

Don't remember any clip for 'Upside Down.'

Is the rarities box set really in the works? They have LOTS of great miscellany. LOTS.
Plus I notice 'Some Candy Talking' is excluded, which also has a vid. Maybe it will go on that?

Psyched to get 'Sometimes Always' clip especially.

― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

"badly mixed scree"

I ate a bowl of this once; it put me out of commission for the rest of the weekend.

I actually own the German "Psychocandy" CD with "Some Candy Talking" included.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 29 April 2006 07:09 (twenty years ago)

I was going to say I could swear I've seen a clip for Upside Down but I just realised its the "Never Understand" clip innit.

Would a remaster really make good that much of Psychocandy? *curious* I never felt it to be an album that screamed "I need a remaster", mainly because, well, it's meant to sound like it does.

― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 29 April 2006 08:02 (twenty years ago)

I can't see the point of it.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 29 April 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

capitalism noun an economic system based on private, rather than state, ownership of businesses, factories, transport services, etc, with free competition and profit-making.

― Saving Marcello a Job (noodle vague), Saturday, 29 April 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

I do apologise.

I can't see the point of buying it. The idea of a remastered Psychocandy leaves me cold.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 29 April 2006 09:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, my copy of Psychocandy sounds fine and I don't feel much need to hear the other stuff.

― There's a Guy Works Down the Chip Shop Swears He's Elvish (noodle vague), Saturday, 29 April 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Well, if they did a 5.1 job on it, it could be amazing.

Not that I've really heared any 5.1 remixes, but hey.

― mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, of all the records to remaster, Psychocandy is a strange one -- fidelity hardly seems the point. No way would I re-buy. But gettting it back in print is key, of course.

― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

The old one is a bit crummy. Perhaps the new one will look nice and sound louder, like Marquee Moon, say.

The Rarities thing is mentioned somewhere on the Spin CDs website. I looked for it before but couldn't find it, but I'm definitely not making it up.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)

Is "Jesus Suck" different to "Suck" that's on the 12" of Never Understand?

I don't think I'll bother getting these unless they come with the B-sides I'm missing. I have quite a lot of their singles anyway plus Barbed Wire Kisses.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:18 (twenty years ago)

It is different, yes.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:16 (twenty years ago)

pjm speak the truth:

from spin cds

"The Jesus and Mary Chain - 'Rarities' (3 CD)

As well as the 5 forthcoming Jesus & Mary Chain re-releases with DVDA ('Automatic', 'Darklands', 'Honey's Dead', 'Psychocandy' and 'Stoned And Dethroned') There is also a 3 CD set of rarities on Blanco Y Negro. Track details soon. Released July 31st for £32.99."

(had to use the google cache thing as it has dropped off the bottom of the news page already)

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:08 (twenty years ago)

I remember the kerfuffle about Psychocandy being released on CD in the first place. (general thought was "That would be daft"). Same as now?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:10 (twenty years ago)

So... what about Barbed Wire Kisses and Sound Of Speed? Are those getting reissued? Was the former even released as an album in the UK? Or was it just a bunch of singles and rarities thrown together for American obsessive consumption?

― Alone, Jealous and SSRI'd (kate), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)

"Sound of Speed" was a 4 track e.p. I think. Hang on...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

I believe BWK was an album outside the U.S., Kate. I think the CD I own is from Germany.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:30 (twenty years ago)

.. yeah, Japan/USA had a full length version.

There was a "hate rock and roll" one, similarly, with b-sides and 'rarities' that WEA issued at the last gasp. I guess, after they rejected "Munki"

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

My theory: The lost it when Doug left. They still got it back occasionally...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:38 (twenty years ago)

OOps, maybe the Sound of Speed I'm thinking of was a bootleg. Never mind!

― Alone, Jealous and SSRI'd (kate), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

No, I think there was a general CD, just not in the UK.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:52 (twenty years ago)

Barbed Wire Kisses def released in the UK.

There is a US-only comp of later B-sides called I Hate Rock'n'Roll. And I think there are 2 different versions of Sound of Speed, one might be Japanese I think.

xpost Sound of Speed was an EP, yes, but it was also later released as an album (Which included the whole EP if I remember correctly)

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

I had Sound of Speed on the popular musicassette format. Had things like Guitar Man and Reverberation on it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:49 (twenty years ago)

excellent. the JAMC are one of those bands i was vastly into when i was 15 or 16 but never bothered with much after that - meaning all the albums are on badly copied tape. (cf also the cocteau twins.) this rocks, and indeed rolls, in a hating-rock-and-roll kinda way.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

So I got these. I haven't A/B'd them, but "Darklands" sounds good -- probably a bit more "vivid," but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of change from the original CD. "Psychocandy" benefits from remastering in the way the Ramones LPs did; again, much more presence and volume. "Taste the Floor" is, er, deliciously BUZZY. Haven't listened to the others yet.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 July 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still keeping my old "Psychocandy," though, for "Some Candy Talking," as described above.

Can the New Order records be long for this treatment?

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 July 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh god please yes. is centredate part of warner?

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 14 July 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Warner/Rhino has the New Order rights in the U.S., at the least. For instance, Rhino put out the recent NO "Singles" comp over here.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 July 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

Is there a Barbed Wire Kisses one?

I saw these at the local store, but not this title. It's possible they just sold out of that one.

― San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Friday, 14 July 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure I saw in the new Entertainment Weekly that they didn't reissue Barbed Wire Kisses.

― svend (svend), Friday, 14 July 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

??? Why not? I realize it's a compilation, but "Kill Surf City"! "Sidewalking"! Their cover of Can's "Mushroom"! That was my favorite release by them... (and i think it was one of the first CDs I ever bought)

― San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Friday, 14 July 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

aren't they doing some three-disc comp of all the rarities? would probably make barbed wire kisses and sound of speed a bit redundant.

― so hongro, so angry (haitch), Friday, 14 July 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

I got Psychocandy. For once, the retrospective sleeve notes seem to be fairly accurate. It is a very good album after all. I can't hear any difference to the previous CD, or indeed the vinyl, though.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 14 July 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

There is a rarities comp coming up, yes. Who knows, maybe "Jesus Suck" will be there.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 14 July 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

In a rush, just picked up Stoned & Dethroned bc I needed to see that Sometimes Always vid. Have to get the rest soon. Overall, the sound is clear, but the bass drum sounds maybe too loud. Anyone else think so?

Packaging seems decent; a TYPO on the back!!! Tsk. Anticipated more insightful liner notes, but should be happy at least there are, huh? Nice animation screen for the DVD menu, tho.

― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Sunday, 16 July 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

(I was put off of JAMC for far too long because of hearing Barbed Wire Kisses first. Silly me.)

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Sunday, 16 July 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'm assuming since these are JAMC reissues the liner notes will be comprehensive and probing

― gear (gear), Sunday, 16 July 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

"OMG dude riots and drugs!"

(This is repeated several times.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 July 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

No, it says the riots didn't exist. Or did I dream that?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 16 July 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sound Of Speed Was released in a couple of different formats. The one to get is the german version with 20 tracks. It is basically the second Barbed Wire Kisses. It is essential because it has a copy of Something I Can't Have. That track is the best thing they did in the 90's.

http://www.discogs.com/release/392021

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Sunday, 16 July 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the remastered Psychocandy. Umm, pretty dull looking, I thought Fopp were getting rid of their stock of old stuff. Ah well, wait for the "Japanese LP" CD version. And the rarities box.

How the liner notes look?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 July 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think they are getting rid of their old stock, too, or somebody is, for £3. I can't remember where though. I think it is probably the best option though.

There was a fukll-page advert for the reisssues in the Observer, it called them highly influential or something. But that only applies to one of them really. Oh hang on, I forogt the Big Black Motorcycle Club.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

Rebel.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

i have both Sound Of Speed cds, the japanese one and the, er, german one (bought the jp one as import not knowing about the later, easier to find release). think they share about 15 tracks and then the japanese one has two more and the german one 5 more. um, venn diagram anyone?

currently don't have darklands on cd so that'll be the first, i think, possibly the only. (um, boomkat don't stock it. "Did you mean 'Garlands'?")

― koogy wonderland (koogs), Monday, 17 July 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think the first three albums benefit greatly from the Louderizer (as if that was even possible with the JAMC).

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 17 July 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting to hear Psychocandy with the sound improvement. Sound level now matches the other releases and ... it's not drastic, but subtle details seem to have a touch more clarity all around. Darklands and S&D sound great too.

― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Monday, 17 July 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=73379

Hmm, so it's only the US versions that are 'dualdisc' with videos?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 July 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hclcrEpui64&search=jesus%20and%20mary%20chain

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

You can use this tool to increase the sound level of non-remastered CDs:

http://www.adrian-kingston.com/images/SE-A5/VolumeKnob.jpg

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

people might enjoy this show:

Live in Vienna 87

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

You can use this tool to increase the sound level of non-remastered CDs

Are you and I the only two people to understand this, Mark? I keep wondering.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

How does that there magic volume knob work when I'm putting a bunch of songs on my iPod or a CD, and don't want to keep adjusting the magic volume knob between every song?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

iTunes has this little feature called "automatically adjust volume" or something like that which makes all your songs play at approximately the same volume. It's like magic or something!

― Kaet (kate), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

iTunes has that Sound Check feature that does a decent job of normalizing. You know, if you're using it to put stuff on your iPod or a CD.

x-post, beaten to the punch by Kate

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey, people with i-pods!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

iTunes Sound Check makes your discs super quiet I just noticed.

― autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. Recently became annoyed by songs imported into iTunes until I realized Sound Check was on -- making all tracks low-volume. Now since I had to correct that, I'm experimenting with VBR at highest 192 quality, and it's grand.

Properly done remasters should not just be a matter of volume (although I'm sure it has happened -- especially older remasters).

At minimum, clarity should improve and soundstage be much more evident when compared A/B. If you don't care about or notice those things then you needn't bother, it's true. But I've no regrets on my new copy of Psychocandy.

― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the iTunes Sound Level thing would be great if it actually worked.

Could be a Mac vs PC thing, iTunes is fucking shit on PC.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose the sound levelling mechanism can only go down, not up.

Perhaps louder remasters don't have to work so hard to be heard. Does that make sense? No.

Interview in some magazine or other in whick Jim Reid compares Psychocandy to The Velvet Undergound and Nico and Suicide and some other debut albums. Thing is, I think he's right.

I don't think the others are worth getting, but you never know.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

iVolume improves the built-in 'Sound Check' function of iTunes to have your songs actually play at the same volume level.

iTunes uses a very fast algorithm to quickly analyze the volume of its songs. It's fast, but it's not very accurate. iVolume corrects the volume information that iTunes has calculated with better values. Therefore an algorithm is used that is oriented on the perception of the human ears. The result is a huge improvement of the 'Sound Check' function. You never have to readjust the main volume again when playing back your songs in random order. This is perfect e. g. for music on partys or hearing songs in random order with the iPod.

iVolume does not re-encode your audio files, so there is no loss in quality. Technically it looks for the tag named 'iTunNORM' that iTunes has put into your songs and iVolume just replaces the embedded value describing the volume of the song with a better one.

― caek (caek), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

> Interview in some magazine or other...

this month's Uncut? there's a J&MC interview and a 100 best debut albums feature (which VU&N wins)

― koogy wonderland (koogs), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

That'll be it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

What is wrong with Automatic and Stoned and Dethroned? They both get bad star ratings. I have never heard them, so I don't know.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 20 July 2006 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

Stoned is fine. I like it a lot.

Automatic is umm, too much drum machine. Honey's Dead they get their mojo back.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 July 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

People always say that, but surely there's at least as much drum machine on Honey's Dead as Automatic? It's more tinny and 80s sounding on Automatic, sure, but I still love that album.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

I love the hyperactive drum machine on Automatic. Isn't the drummer on Honey's Dead Monti, from Curve?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 20 July 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I saw them live around about the Honey's Dead era (In a pyramid! In Prague!) and the drummer was a real live person. They were also a very good band that night, and played a lovely tape before they came on.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 21 July 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

When I saw them live after "Automatic" they had a live drummer that I thought was the guy from Dif Juz.

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 21 July 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Reading the piece on Pitchfork (you can't really call it a review) of these just made me so queasy.

I've seen so much hating on pfork, and in general I dismiss it bc I think at least they are serving a function.

But maybe now I get it. You can't even blame the writer either, because for all you can tell it was assigned to him. I BLAME THE EDITORS. Guys, you can't tell me you actually read that and okayed it for publication, can you?

With releases from a band as influential as this, you might expect the editors to assign the piece to someone who could put the gravity of it into context for you.

Didn't the part about Jim being the one who dated Hope Sandoval raise at least one red flag with an editor?

― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I actually thought this review was pretty good for Pitchfork. I'm not sure I buy the whole heroin rock n roll thing, but hey, you know.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

The review's fab until that twaddle concerning the purported world-historic import of JAMC's sound-as-substance. Phil Spector, the Beach Boys, the Stones, and (ahem) the Velvets are most displeased.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

All four of those artists are mentioned, directly or indirectly, in the review.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 5 August 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

My rating would probably be (without hearing the remastered):

Psychocandy 9.0
Darklands 8.7
Automatic 7.8
Honey's Dead 6.0
Stoned & Dethroned 8.1

― BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 5 August 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

listened to new remastered copy of Darklands the other day. sounded just like my previous tape version always has to me.

Darklands is pretty much a Spector / Beach Boys / Stones / Velvets smoothy. but being 18 in '86 and not having heard that much by the above apart from what radio 1 deemed playable, the mary chain were 'world-historic import'ant to me.

BeeOK. 6 for HD? you are on crack 8)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Saturday, 5 August 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Honey is filled with programmed rhythm tracks as well, but they swing like hell instead of just kinda lying dumb in a K-hole like they do on Automatic.

(And the songs are better.)

I loved Stoned as well. So breezy! A great summer album.

― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 5 August 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Weird to see all this S&D love. I always found it pretty dull (apart from the godmly "Sometimes Always"). Also, why no mention of 'Muki' or whatever it was called.

― Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Different label, innit.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Munki probably doesn't need remastering anyway, it's mainly CDs released pre-mid 90s that need it, right?

I didn't like S&D either (apart from Sometimes Always, obv).

WHERE'S THE FUCKING RARITIES BOX?

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

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