why do rock critics/non-rap dudes (not sayin nathan rabin is some kinda outsider but you know) love "crazy" novelty rappers so much?? see also ghostface interview on same page this week & endless gushing over cam/dipset/"gnarls barkley"/odb/del/kool keith/etc etc etc - the only other genre that seems to get this pop cult treatment is metal or prog type stuff (see tired ywngie malmsteen joke in comments), which i guess is similarly over-the-top & all but seems to be much more ridiculous than the behavior of even the wackiest "avant garde" mc. another fucked up thing about this is how the genuinely unusual stuff (wigs, masks, nonsense lyrics) gets intertwined with traits that are basically a normal part of rap or modern black experience in general (slang, luxury aspirations, saying 'nigga', etc) but for some reason whether its nerd rap like mf doom or bullshit like cam (goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie) theres this weird detachment and insistence in not being aware of what is so obv a constructed persona (even by dudes who might have got real mental problems like dirty or cam or keith). & the attitudes seem different than ones towards anticon mcs or aesop rock or some def jux nobody, where the benefit of the doubt is given that abstract lyrics are inspired by ginsberg & joyce & dudes in pavement. yeah over the past couple years i have seen critical establishment shifting towards actual legit not-crazy 'genius' status on weird rappers & taking them at face value, but the largely white largely collegiate fanbase still gets off on the batshit wacko black man factor (i seen dudes who swear up & down that mf doom is literally convinced he's doctor doom - wtf??) and i think alot of the relative free weekly/alt-media success of these cats trades on that. & not just rappers, r kelly gets it too, occupying the same asylum post-closet, but not crunchy weirdos like the roots or electric circus-era com or andre3k - maybe cuz their weirdness normalizes to white hipster weirdness? & it even seeps into mainstream ideas about someone like lil jon or 50 cent, glorifying occasional flashes of absurdity from jeezy or some other actually-popular dude, working in & out of how much non rap listeners will try to understand the surrounding culture of unfamiliar music before deciding its absurd & engaging with it on that level. why? is this the same thing that goes on in every genre (brian wilson, tori amos, etc) & im just pissed by how it goes with rap? is it different when it comes to fans/critics' relationships to hip-hop or is it always equally ignorant across all genres? is it possible for a rapper without a gimmick to get play with the same ppl? and how did this became what seems to be the standard for like a good 3rd of rap writing?
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost i separate this from dudes who seem to actually care enough about rap to love the dullest stuff
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost: haha yeah because rap critics dont have love for serious boring lyricists too. cf. oh, i dunno, nas.
― goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost, ilm is slow as shit today
― goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
(and I'm not making any silly Pete Doherty=DMX direct comparisons Dom, just noting that focusing on erratic/"crazy" personas of stars is not unique to rap)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, they like novelty-rap because novelty songs are the best!
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Period period period (Period period period), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh, I get it, this is all a parody.
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
I think this is the key sentence/question; I don't think the impulse behind the type of appreciation you're talking about across these various genres is appreciably different. People like watching "crazy" people, regardless of whether they're actually crazy or not. The point where it gets murky/tricky is when you wrap race baggage up with the already existing "I like looking at things that resemble train wrecks" baggage; people start ascribing craziness to ethnicity/gender (see also the cult of Tori/Kate/Laurie for examples) and then everything becomes a total "seriously, did you really just say that with a straight face?" cringefest.
― Dan (Good Question) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Make 'em say "Ugh..."
We used to call this guy Master P-nis. Get it?
I sure do miss those chintzy, Photoshopped album covers, though. Everybody was jocking that "fresh off the color copier at Kinko's" look.
Comment by: SnowWhiteTrash at May 10, 2006 - 8:57am
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
If I'm not mistaken, Nathan Rabin is black.
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
but that article made a point of dissing X because this was a "wimpy primadonna" move.
The Rabin article is most offensive because it bitches about DMX failing to live up to expectations during this arrest. This case is different from Parliament/ODB/Doom etc. because people here expect DMX to be crazy not on an album or in the public spotlight, but in real life. DMX's persona didn't get arrested this time, DMX the guy did. The fact that every time someone like DMX gets arrested, it has to be for some looney reason does smack of racism, but I don't know if an indictment of the whole rapper-persona fascination follows from that.
-- hugaboo (writeagainston...), May 17th, 2006.
I'm not sure where you're getting "every time someone like DMX" shit from; the original article didn't appeal to some sort of archetype/caricature, it was just about how DMX himself, who has been arrested in the past for ridiculous shit, got arrested for comparatively tame shit. this is actually more of a surprise in that it's kind of underwhelming, in much the same way that it would be utterly shocking if Pete Doherty getting arrested for speeding and turned out to be completely sober at the time and have nothing illegal in his car.
― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
DMX barks like a dog... listen to "Where My Dog's At?" if you really want to laugh this guy is convinced he's an actual dog.....unbelievable
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
iggy pop ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE YOUR DOG....unbelievable
― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
the baha boys actually don't know who let the dogs out.....unbelievable
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link
baha MEN
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
unbelievable
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I believe every word of it! Unbelievable!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
baha boys becoming baha men baha men becoming wolves
― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
werewolf baha mitzvah
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link
You really think the indie press treat TORTURED POET OF OUR GENERATION Pete Doherty in the same way they treat DMX ("I say, wouldn't it be funny if he'd said "I am not doing my seatbelt up... nigga!")?
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:04 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i say!
― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
All-time classic Passantino post there.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
3. People who primarily listen to a certain type of music (in this case, I guess, indie rock, but I've known just as many who were into emo, trance, metal, and more) but listen to hip hop when they aren't really in the mood for whatever their chosen "serious" music is, like at house parties, certain club nights with offensive themes in certain parts of New York City, and wherever else they might be kicking back and drinking and/or doing drugs.
if only being a tokenist was actually this cool.
― bnw, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Are you not familiar with the horrors of Kill Whitey Night?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i listen to a lot of rap during Kill Whitey Morning & Afternoon (ie my commute)
― gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i hate that awkward overrhyming bullshit he does - wait why did dude just say 'scrappy doo is gonna break the china'? oh now hes saying 'happy you got on a fake vagina', very clever
-- and what (ooo), Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:31 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
still like doom but this is L.O.L.
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Zwan, you're the elusive Type 4 whose favorite craaazy rapper is Fred Durst.
-- Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:09 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
not to pat myself on the back but lol @ this (and at jess's screenname at the beginning of the thread)
― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Buzi father of Ezekiel
― mkcaine, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link
CRAZY ILXORS
― The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link
PPS I am also the proud owner of a "CRUNK'S NOT DEAD" Neigborhoodie
-- bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:38 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link
-- The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (Yesterday) Link
REV OTM
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link
-- CERTAIN TYPE OF RAP LISTENER (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006
in light of the best album of 88 poll lol @ this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link
i coulda sworn i was on this thread but come to think of it i was prob intimidated
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QS5ZjX5i1D2z_M:http://www.shawnmortensen.org/TupacVibe.jpg
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
would love to revive this for more discussionz but im too!! busy!! some tard plz say something we can argue about for 400 posts :-)
― and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1603642/20090127/lil_wayne.jhtml
Wayne is the most interesting rock star in the world. By a mile. In fact, here's an even better one: He is Axl Rose. It's not that great of a leap. Both could kindly be described as "eccentric" (or full-blown batsh--). Both promised (threatened?) to release ill-advised vanity projects, neither listening to the doubters who sniggered that it would never happen and the advisers who said it would be a terrible idea. To extend the comparison, Wayne's Rebirth is basically Rose's Chinese Democracy, minus 15 years and millions of dollars. ("Prom Queen" actually sounds like one of the more industrial tracks on Democracy.) It will probably garner the same reception, both critically and commercially.
― and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
why didn't i make the connection before?? it's so obvious
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
is Lil Wayne an anagram of something rude?
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link
"alley win"
― and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
wily anel?
― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
wine yall
― eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
"wallin' 'Ye" could describe his relationship with Kanye West
― some dude, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/av4pxf.jpg
― eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/images/u/icon-voteu.gif 0%
― eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzuz08zAtB1qbrus1o1_500.gif
http://gifsofpopularrappers.tumblr.com/ <---- so goood!!
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz8d48r6s11qbrus1o1_500.gif
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie
― sodamrongerbot (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
there are some funny gifs on that blog but goons could do much better if we knew how to gif
― hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I keep copying posts and every time I scroll down to paste them in the goddamn post box I see another post I want to copy instead and now I'm typing this bullshit
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 27 March 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link
― Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
this thread somehow remained unbumped through the whole Lil B era
― Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link