"4:13 Dream" by the Cure

I didn't go to Curiosa because of those very reasons, too much money ect. I had seen them on every tour since The Top but missed them during the Wild Mood Swings and then Curiosa.

Can't wait for some new stuff without Ross Robinson producing it.

OTM.
I said it before, but not many bands can record a song like "Lost" after a 25-year long career.
For all the production shortcomings, at least they tried it hard with that album - or, at least, someone in the band tried it hard.
Probably, if the whole group was really into it, final results could have been a lot better.

In any event, I don't buy Roger's indignation that it was an RS album and nobody enjoyed it. It's not like the Cure were ever less/more than RS's band. Sounds like another falling out over the impotence O'Donnell et al are willing to ignore for sake of joining the carnival; there's always the big standoff when pride catches up with them, and RS always wins. There's almost always someone in the splitter's ear...Babacar you say?

The Curiosa show set at Randall's Island WAS too short, but not many bands that old could touch the quality. I'm glad someone recommended purchase of the Trilogy DVD to me, tho. They should just tour!

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/Curestudio06.jpg

Meantime, Perry Bamonte speaks.

I am, aren't I?

Bring back Boris!!!

Yeah, I've got a recording of that and it was mindblowingly great.

from pitchfork:

The Cure Announce Tour, Ready New Album

The Cure have just announced the North American leg of their 2007 world tour, which means that Asians and Australians won't be the only ones treated to a healthy dose of makeup and mood this summer and fall.

The band are also readying their 13th studio album, the as-yet-untitled follow-up to their 2004 self-titled record, for a fall release on Suretone/Geffen.

Frontman Robert Smith, guitarist Porl Thompson, bassist Simon Gallup, and drummer Jason Cooper will begin their jaunt in Fuji, Japan on July 27, and they have shows scheduled through October 17 in Dallas at the oh-so-goth American Airlines Center.

Sheffield up-and-comers 65daysofstatic will open all of the North American shows.

Dates:

07-27 Fuji, Japan - Fuji Rock Festival
07-30 Hong Kong, China - Asia World Arena
08-01 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore Indoor Stadium
08-04 Perth, Australia - Challenge Stadium
08-06 Adelaide, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-08 Brisbane, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-10 Sydney, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-12 Melbourne, Australia - Rod Laver Arena
09-13 Tampa, FL - St. Petersburg Times Forum *
09-15 Atlanta, GA - Gwinnett Civic Center *
09-17 Charlotte, NC - Charlotte Bobcats Arena *
09-19 Washington, DC - Patriot Center *
09-21 Philadelphia, PA - Wachovia Spectrum *
09-23 New York, NY - Madison Square Garden *
09-25 Boston, MA - Agganis Arena *
09-26 Montreal, Quebec - Bell Center *
09-27 Toronto, Ontario - Air Canada Centre *
09-29 Chicago, IL - Allstate Arena *
10-02 Denver, CO - Red Rocks Amphitheater *
10-04 Salt Lake City, UT - E Center *
10-06 Mountain View, CA - Shoreline Amphitheater (Download Festival) *
10-08 Seattle, WA - Key Arena *
10-09 Vancouver, British Columbia - General Motors Place *
10-11 Santa Barbara, CA - Santa Barbara Bowl *
10-13 San Diego, CA - Cox Arena *
10-14 Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Bowl *
10-16 Houston, TX - Toyota Center *
10-17 Dallas, TX - American Airlines Center *

* with 65daysofstatic

i think i will be going this time around. i' missed them on the last tour and was the first time in years.

yeah Cure!

also he plays the old stuff in like that hip hop drummer school way

In a lot of their peak fame photos it looks like some of them really didn't want to wear makeup and didn't look quite right.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I disagree! Nobody in their The Head on the Door up to Wish period looked out of place.

Looking like they were made up against their will I thought was one of their trademarks!

A quick assessment of how cool The Cure looked circa The Cure In Orange...

Robert - cool as fuck.
Porl - cool as fuck.
Simon - cool as fuck.
Boris - cool as fuck.
Lol - not as cool as the others, but doesn't look like a twat and is still cooler than Jason Cooper so gets a pass.

Now circa Trilogy...

Robert - fat aged goth
Simon - metal band reject
Roger - miserable old woman
Perry - blends in rather well... with the scenery
Jason - looks more like he should be the drummer for Robbie Williams or something.

Harsh

Because appearance is indicative of musical talent.

Of course it isn't, it's just another way in which Cooper is unsuitable for The Cure.

As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.

A quick assessment of Cure drummers

Lol - Technically not a great drummer, although dealt with his limitations well and came up with a lot of good drum parts. The simplicity and starkness of his drumming was of great benefit to The Cure's material from the beginning up to Pornography. Second only to Boris in Cure drummer terms.

Steve - Only played on the 'Let's Go To Bed' single, and while the guy was never a "proper" member of The Cure, his chops are great - he also played on Costello's 'Watching The Detectives' ... would have been suitable for The Cure full time? Probably not.

Andy - The most underrated drummer in Cure history, could handle the likes of the thidding 'Shake Dog Shake' and the jazz-brush shuffle of 'The Lovecats' without too much trouble. Love his drumming on 'Bird Mad Girl' in particular.

Boris - The Cure drummer as far as I, and pretty much the majority of Curefans are concerned. Had a great sound and feel, and really knew how to craft drum parts that brought out the best in the material and contributed massively to the Cure's sound during their most commercially successful period. Check out 'The Walk' from The Cure In Orange - he plays every ounce of that drum machine beat exact. Superb.

Jason - The longest serving Cure drummer but also the most anonymous. Terrible drum sound, over-uses his cymbals and embellishes various Cure songs with unnecessary flourishes. Also terrible at the softer songs - very clattery.

*thudding

As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.

― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, August 4, 2017 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As a long-time fan of the band, I'm going to ignore you and make such claims anyway. Not that it should come as a surprise, since a hell of a lot of long-time fans have been saying the same thing for close to two decades - and they're right.

Yeah, so to anyone just trying to catch up on the happenings in this topic: anybody who says Lol is "second only to Boris" should be immediately disregarded, as actual skill and musical talent means nothing to this person.

Turricantics, go back to defending Rush or some other shite music whose fans are as pedantically cunty as you are. Stop sullying up Cure topics with fashion assessments and idiotic, baseless grudges you're holding onto.

I don't remember the Rush threads being pedantic.

I think any right-thinking Cure fan would say that Lol is second only to Boris in terms of contribution. Lol and Boris have contributed a lot of lasting, memorable work to the Cure canon. Jason hasn't.

Austin Allegro, stop trying to be me. You're terrible at it. You're great at "sullying" Cure topics by being "pedantically cunty", though, as anyone with a pair of eyes and the ability to scroll upwards can witness, which I guess also means you're terrible at self-awareness, too.

I'm just going to post some songs I love off this album and pretend you guys aren't here.

https://youtu.be/SX8W_TXFyME

I love this song so much

https://youtu.be/wCgejr7z7fI

I don't remember Lol Tolhurst being a better drummer than Andy Anderson, and yet here we are.

"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.

This is a song where I think Jason works incredibly well; he pretty much thunders his way through the song and everyone else springboards off of his energy:

https://youtu.be/rnJkgEwLKb8

This is still my favorite of the singles and the one that translates best to a live setting:

https://youtu.be/A7Iicf6ATeY

Ah yeah, 'The Real Snow White' - one of my favourite tracks on the album, that. It's one of many that truly could have blossomed more if it wasn't for the awful production. I think that's the thing that irked me the most about 4:13 Dream, even moreso than the continued presence of Jason Cooper... it's that Robert Smith has been involved in making so many great sounding records, that 4:13 Dream for me was a case of "how did this happen? how did this recording/final mix end up sounding so dull, flat and lifeless?"

i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now

My favorite of the b-sides; again, I really like Jason in full-on thunder mode and when the song kicks into full on fraught paranoia in the prechorus, it rules:

https://youtu.be/F4Gq0D88PyQ

I think this is probably the most underrated song on the album. It's not my favorite but every time I play it, I am struck by how much I enjoy it and wonder why it doesn't appear as anyone's 2nd or 3rd favorite:

https://youtu.be/w0HGRkYOEEU

The thing about songs like 'It's Over' and 'Switch' is that I can't help but imagine how much they'd rule if Boris had played on 'em.

Andy Anderson is technically a better drummer than Lol but Lol came up with iconic drum parts like the ones on 'The Figurehead', 'The Hanging Garden', 'Siamese Twins' etc. Andy did however play drums on 'The Lovecats', which alone means he's made more of a contribution to the Cure canon drumming-wise than Jason has in his whole stint.

This song is a little "latter-period Cure, lol" but it still works, especially the prechorus:

https://youtu.be/cHagAp8CVo0

i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now

― kurt schwitterz, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hahahaha! I'd never quite made the connection, but yeah!

I agree with RAG, this song bangs:

https://youtu.be/6IvdTyvWaGo

"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think 4:13 Dream is a great collection of songs! Actually, I'd go as far as saying that stylistically it was quite refreshing coming after the more ponderous Bloodflowers and the Ross Robinson-ness of The Cure ... but the way that the songs are recorded/produced/mixed/arranged and even (in places) played does them no favours. I'm sure they didn't set out to make a lousy sounding record, but it does often feel to me that they took this great batch of songs and shat on them.

i looove "sleep when i'm dead"

'Sleep When I'm Dead' was written around the time of The Head on the Door, iirc?

I actually really like 'This. Here and Now. With You', even though I'm pretty sure that DJP hates it.

The thing that struck me most was how accessible the album is. Everything from Kiss Me to the selftitled album taken a long time for me to digest but 4:13 Dream was as easy as Boys Don't Cry.

When I heard 'Freakshow' for the first time, I thought "shit, haven't heard them do a song like this for a while!"

Also, Andy was not able to play the triplets on '100 Years' either, so he must be crap, right?

uhh

https://youtu.be/ApKZ1mOLbIY?t=2721

That is indeed Boris' first ever show with the band.

Not that he's playing the triplets, either. But, carry on.

^ Pedantically cunty post.

I heard that Jason can't even play a triplet.

I checked and that's actually Boris' 10th or so show with the Cure - but mostly pretty impressive stuff. Haven't heard the few with Vince from Psychedelic Furs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpeVLvJ6KU

v surprised by how much i love "the reasons why"

q: why isn't "without you" on this record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHht5Ugv_7o

lotta wacky bob vocalizations but it totally sweeps me away anyway

i bought all three singles but never really listened to them before, so thanks Brad.

i have been listening to 4:13 Dream non-stop since we have been on a Cure kick on ILM. still not a fan of the production but really, really like this album. if they cut a couple of songs off it, what could have been. i would say their best since Wish.

Bee, there were four singles from this album!

'The Only One' b/w 'NY Trip'
'Freakshow' b/w 'All Kinds of Stuff'
'The Perfect Boy' b/w 'Without You'
'Sleep When I'm Dead' b/w 'Down Under'

'Without You' and 'Down Under' are fantastic.

All Kinds of Stuff rules, too

I'm not really a fan. Good b-side fodder, though.

I mean, I liked it better when they recorded it in 1986 and it was called 'A Japanese Dream.'

How have I noticed heard this before?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEdos_du2Zw

Not sure how not turned into noticed there.