i am using Guitar Rig 2 and garageband to record.
would love any input.
thanks
― pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Two words: Re Verb.
― harmonic generator, haircuts are for losers (kate), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
actually what i am trying to acheive is a nice melodic, distorted tone. in other words, pushed to the point of subtle feedback, still picking up some nice mids and highs, but with a sharp edgy distortion. kinda like willie nelson.
i can't seem to find the right combination without things getting muddier than i prefer.
*Alex, you city dudes are always bitter. too much emo?
― pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
You want a solid state amp, bridge pickup selected, really heavy chorus, and distortion set between %50-60.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah, well the willie nelson thing was sarcasm. as was the industrial comment. i was fu*cking with alex of NYC :) sorry. thanks for the input. i actually use Guitar Rig, and listen to the sound through decent studio headphones. compared to similar types of music, listening on same headphones, i get frustrated. i will give your comments a try though.
thanks.
― pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link
(posting this here as it's the first (only) result for 'pale saints')
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pale-Saints-very-rare-demo-cassette-4AD-charity-auction-/200589292821
ian auctioning off the copy of the Barging demos that the band sent to themselves for copyright purposes at the same time they sent them to 4ad. proceeds to japan earthquake fund.
― koogs, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
They had so many amazing guitar sounds. The first thing that came to mind was "Baby Maker".
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: does that work, legally?
― i have a hot bagel waiting for me in my bed so ill say this: (kkvgz), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link
(it's the cheapest / easiest way that people recommend. send it registered mail, don't open it on arrival, then at least the post office has a record of something being sent. you should probably get something notarised though)
― koogs, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/0b543d991264f6e2e93edeaeadc5d83f/tumblr_mw08upqgEV1rijwyno3_1280.jpg
― nothing a reincarnated ronnie james dio couldn't fix (brimstead), Thursday, 6 February 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
is this the only pale saints thread on ilm? and what a stupid thread this is as if blind people were talking about the sun. an amazing band with a unique otherworldly feel. "in ribbons" has aged astonishingly well. the only other bands i can think of right now who have created a similar heavenly sound are the cocteau twins and mbv.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 August 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
agreed, "In Ribbons" might be my favorite album of that era. tho I think the rhythm section keeps the sound a little ways from heavenly.
― geoffreyess, Saturday, 8 August 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
whooo, Pale Saints how ironic.
i have not listened to this band in forever, i hung out at my friends house on Tuesday and he was playing drums. he started playing songs from The Comforts of Madness and i was blown away. they sounded so good and the drummer is out of his mind on some of the tracks. that and the Mrs. Dolphin comp were fucking great. didn't like In Ribbons as much at the time as Ian Masters sort of took a back seat, they were his band and it showed on those early cuts.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:09 (eight years ago) link
i am just listening to "comforts of madness" for the first time. the drums are pretty impressive, often extremely fast and mixed into the foreground, you are absolutely right. but pale saints - to me at least - are not about drums. they haven't yet found their magic sound on "comforts". and it also lacks in the tunes. the band is still on the search. on "in ribbons" they have reached their peak, they have created a masterpiece. when i first listened to it 23 years ago i found ian masters voice a little thin but in hindsight it fits perfectly to the rather subdued, introspective music. it is the kind of backgroundish music you get totally hooked to when you hear it first. a reason might also be that it is pretty quiet music which demands from the listener to open up his ears if he wants to hear something.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 8 August 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link
My favorite was always "flesh balloon". A couple of their best songs (best-sounding, at least), a pleasantly baggy instrumental and that gorgeous Nancy Sinatra cover.
― Plasmon, Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:49 (eight years ago) link
> they were his band and it showed on those early cuts.
i think they were more of a symbiosis - judging by how the band sounded after he'd left and how he sounded on his later works (spoonfed hybrid, esp summer, sore and steel, friendly science...). they were a lot more ordinary, he was maybe too esoteric.
i prefer in ribbons as an lp over comforts despite comforts having better songs. ribbons is more mixed, and the way comforts is all sequed together makes it awkward in these days of shuffle. (it's also very quiet - it's been normalised as one long track and there's a loud bass note on one of the tracks that just means everything else is too quiet).
― koogs, Sunday, 9 August 2015 11:05 (eight years ago) link
I find nothing particularly original or unique about PS but they are very enjoyable!
― calstars, Sunday, 6 September 2015 03:01 (eight years ago) link
Pale Saints never got the proper respect, they were one of the best from the era. Moka brought this up in her thread and got me to remember this. love the drums, with that wonderful bass line and then add the guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lly7ATDItdQ
― Bee OK, Sunday, 25 June 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link
in ribbons is a goddam masterpiece, comforts of madness is p good too
― brimstead, Monday, 26 June 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
madness >>> ribbons
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link
i even liked their third and last album Slow Buildings even though their heart and soul member Ian Masters quit. Meriel Barham (also of Lush) took over vocals but she was around so it didn't feel like a replacement. they went for a more pop sound and it sort of worked.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 29 June 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
It was nice, but it wasn't Pale Saints to me.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 29 June 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
this band is so fucking criminally underrated, this is inspiring me to run the Shoegazer poll very soon.
Sea of Sound:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIiTesQnJU
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjAXcqZ6YRc
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOn4gMzwdw0
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
that drumming is for the gods!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
then they turned into this, which i happen to also love:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4FF5huCo4
A Thousand Stars Burst Openhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9vOko4Yii8
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:06 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNGtgXK77w
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
i will close with this (again the drumming):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyD9V34AApc
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:27 (six years ago) link
what a band, i haven't listen to them like this in a very long time. they did not disappoint in the least. ILM just happened to be the forum tonight.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
now i want to hear Moose.
drinking again tonight and went off on the drumming yet again but the Pale Saints are all about the guitar sound.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:00 (six years ago) link
Fantastic band, really liked that Dum Dum Girls cover. Ian Masters post-Pale Saints work is well worth your time as well.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 12 August 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
Time Thief is one of my favourite shoegaze songs. Pale Saints should do a reunion tour every other shoegaze band has by now. See See Rider can support them
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 12 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
Relistening to Comforts of Madness tonight for the first time in ages. It's brilliant.
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 8 February 2019 22:30 (five years ago) link
Seems like a band that has faded away for anyone who wasn't there. A lack of reissues is probably part of the reason.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:03 (five years ago) link
I see a lot of movies, and read a ton of books, that I really like, but can't remember a single thing about them a month later. I wished it worked this way with music, and Comforts of Madness is one of those records I'd like to forget about, so I can enjoy hearing it anew every so often.
I rocked Mrs. Dolphin yesterday. I play that one maybe once every 3 months or so, without fail.
― henry s, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:14 (five years ago) link
In Ribbons is positively classic 90s dreamy British rock. I want to say Hugh Jones is a huge part of the thick guitar sound there. Comforts sounds so thin to me, not a big fan really
― brimstead, Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:31 (five years ago) link
"Hunted" is my favorite. So so great.
― brimstead, Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:32 (five years ago) link
Comforts of Madness is easily my favorite non-MBV shoegaze album. It's so propulsive and varied (Opal cover! Cat cover star sample at the end). Its only flaw is that the re-recorded "Sight of You" is slightly inferior to the raw-er sounding EP version. Ironically the lusher EP version of "Baby Maker" is far superior to the In Ribbons version which sounds like a demo. I'm actually not a fan of that album at all. It just makes me want to put on the earlier stuff.
― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 9 February 2019 08:19 (five years ago) link
I'm with you, Spencer
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 9 February 2019 08:51 (five years ago) link
I bought In Ribbons and remember being slightly disappointed by it at the time, but now I can’t really remember much about the tracks on it that hadn’t already come out on EPs. Throwing Back The Apple was good and there was one with Meriel singing something like ‘between the (?) you should hold someone’ but everything else has been wiped from my memory. Whereas I remember every detail of Comforts of Madness.
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 9 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
I discovered them via Throw Back the Apple (from 120 minutes play I guess). Got the album and felt massively disappointed. Didn’t bother with them after that until 10 years ago or so. I’ve liked the stuff I heard since but I guess I would need to read up on them to better understand their discography
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 10 February 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link
i love in ribbons so much. it is divine, an album without fault and quite varied. that misty shoegazing sound will always remind me of my late youth (late twenties). maybe it helped that i was there.
i never got into comfort of madness. which i heard about at least 20 years later.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 14 February 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
people talking abut the Pail Saints makes me happy, i had the chance to see them two times.
1. The Comforts of Madness2. Mrs. Dolphin3. In Ribbons4. Kinky Love EP5. Slow Buildings
tho at the time i still believed in Slow Buildings. it really was a let down after Ian Masters left the band however.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 16 February 2019 02:43 (five years ago) link
the reissue is pretty nice, the remaster sounds good... louder, but not brickwalled, works pretty well for their sound
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link
Yep. I bought it and I must have listened to this album more times in the last couple of weeks than at any time since 1990. Love it. 'You Tear The World In Two' is my favourite. The second CD is interesting as the songs hadn't been completely worked out at that point so there are things that just seem 'wrong' (e.g. the riff that opens 'Insubstantial' isn't there, or the clanging guitar sound at the start of each verse of 'Time Thief' is just one note instead of two. Plus Ian Masters' vocals sound much weaker without the reverb and harmonies.
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 17 February 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
I will never get over how underrated in ribbons is, I really don’t understand it. It’s absolutely perfect. Please don’t say any mean things about it.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
The Spoonfed Hybrid album sounding magnificent tonight. Grim but partly prompted by reading "Boys In Zinc".
― djh, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 20:15 (two years ago) link
So Ian's newest collaboration Isolated Gate has a full new album out and it's lovely!
https://isolatedgate.bandcamp.com/album/universe-in-reverse
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
Now that's an intense illustration
― Evan, Friday, 17 March 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
what's that, my favourite LP out on my birthday?
Pale Saints - In Ribbons 30th Anniversary Expanded Edition4AD0407Disc 1: In Ribbons UK VersionDisc 2: Unreleased Demos & Tintwistle Brass Band Covers Out 6 October 🎀 〰️ https://t.co/8Ea46QtIKx pic.twitter.com/L2pPCHMrqu— 4AD (@4AD_Official) August 30, 2023
― koogs, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:59 (six months ago) link
Nice!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:00 (six months ago) link
Bandcamp preorder link (Bandcamp Friday is about here!)
https://palesaints.bandcamp.com/album/in-ribbons-30th-anniversary-reissue
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 19:05 (six months ago) link
I think those Tintwistle Brass Band tracks came as a 7 inch with the album when it first came out, I know I had them
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:40 (six months ago) link
They very much did.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:46 (six months ago) link
Per Discogs: "recorded at Claptons Club, Tinwistle, 23rd February 1992."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:47 (six months ago) link
oh wow, so happy to see this!
― NickB, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 21:50 (six months ago) link
Oh my God, In Ribbons got a 30th year reissue today!:
https://4ad.com/news/30/8/2023/inribbons30thanniversaryreissue
― Bee OK, Friday, 6 October 2023 20:26 (five months ago) link
I should have polled it
― Bee OK, Friday, 6 October 2023 20:27 (five months ago) link
now it will get on all the playlists and tv shows <3
― brimstead, Saturday, 7 October 2023 00:33 (five months ago) link
These demos are pretty interesting. Always thought this record sounded a fraction too neat and laboured over. (But I always say that sort of thing lol. Not about to claim these are the definitive renditions or anything challopsy like that.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 October 2023 01:49 (five months ago) link
Here is Ian Masters talking over lead vocals on "Kinky Love" (Demo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmVi8JeFO5M
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 October 2023 01:53 (five months ago) link
A 15 minute History clip with talk about In Ribbons at the 7:25 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPWk2yOpCZk
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 October 2023 02:31 (five months ago) link
Glad to now have three readily available versions of "Babymaker" to rotate through. I've seemingly needed to hear that in particular at least yearly since I was a schoolkid. No idea what Masters is getting at lyrically but it's a strangely moving/bracing/uplifting? ditty.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 October 2023 03:01 (five months ago) link
> now it will get on all the playlists and tv shows <3
iirc there were prominent posters in the radio station on Neighbours back in the day - mushroom had just signed a distribution deal with 4ad
― koogs, Saturday, 7 October 2023 04:11 (five months ago) link
very little proof of that is to be found on the internet, very hard to even find out the name of the radio station in neighbours, but discogs has scans of aus version of the sleeve and that has a liberation logo on it...
https://www.discogs.com/master/26780-Pale-Saints-In-Ribbons?country=Australia&image=5334152.SW1hZ2U6MTA5MzI0ODM%3D
― koogs, Saturday, 7 October 2023 04:38 (five months ago) link
hmv had copies (copy?) in the new releases when i was there this morning and a copy of Comforts in the rack.
my copy is still in the post 8(
― koogs, Saturday, 7 October 2023 19:24 (five months ago) link
my copy is here, my stereo is a pain to get to at the moment, but i made the effort today
it sounds, on the stereo, muddier than the original (usually heard using earphones). or is that just me?
now working through demos, nice to hear ian's stab at kinky love.
― koogs, Friday, 13 October 2023 13:01 (five months ago) link
🎵Especially for Koogs...🎵
https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/4xPcKYif69LT.png
― Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 13 October 2023 14:10 (five months ago) link
I wanna tell you, you mean all the world to me...
― koogs, Friday, 13 October 2023 14:57 (five months ago) link
Ha! I hope many many Australians bought it as a result (subliminal or not)
― brimstead, Friday, 13 October 2023 15:41 (five months ago) link
I haven't got around to listening yet, need to rectify that
― Bee OK, Friday, 13 October 2023 23:03 (five months ago) link
If we polled this, I would pick “haunted” in a heartbeat.
― brimstead, Saturday, 14 October 2023 00:17 (five months ago) link
I remembered buying the "Haunted" EP thanks to the above doc I posted. I think I'm going to go ahead and poll, maybe even next week, Madness hope to get a few votes as I have no idea how it will do.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 14 October 2023 01:15 (five months ago) link
Certainly a contender for best 1992 album expanded/reissued in 2023.
― Andy K, Saturday, 14 October 2023 01:44 (five months ago) link
“Hunted” is really something, and that Flesh Balloon EP was great. Probably my peak of PS obsession, Meriel boosted then ruined the band for me. I’d be tempted to vote for “Shell” because (a) nobody else could do that and (b) what incredible growth from the earlier stuff.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 14 October 2023 16:32 (five months ago) link
Comforts of Madness > Half Life, Remembered > In Ribbons > Flesh Balloon
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 14 October 2023 21:38 (five months ago) link
“shell” is amazing too. the cello, the soaring guitar lead, the mallets… <3
― brimstead, Saturday, 14 October 2023 22:46 (five months ago) link
xp I guess "Kinky Love" does suck, but I like "Porpoise"
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 15 October 2023 01:03 (five months ago) link
Hey, very cool:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/pale-saints/looking-back-30-years-to-the-creation-of-pale-saints-in-ribbons
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 October 2023 18:05 (five months ago) link
Thanks for that, Ned
― Nasty, Brutish & Short, Thursday, 26 October 2023 21:02 (five months ago) link
In which world does Kinky Love suck? Recently listened to the original for the time - never realised how raunchy those lyrics were
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 27 October 2023 12:45 (five months ago) link
It feels like they’re trying a bit too hard to be funny, but at the time I think I liked it.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 27 October 2023 21:35 (five months ago) link
kind surprised that it's ian interviewing there, i had him down as some kind of recluse (even though he's been in more post pale saints bands than the others probably by a factor of 5)
― koogs, Friday, 27 October 2023 21:39 (five months ago) link
Ian’s EP Kingdom of Heaven (with Warren Defever under their old ESP Summer name) from a couple of years ago is astonishing. Especially for fans of Pale Saints, if you like to play those “what if Ian stayed for the third album” gamesAlso, the only time I heard of Isolated Gate anywhere (and their stuff is excellent) is on this board, from Ned; not a word anywhere else, not even a side note during press for In Ribbons reissue. No wonder Ian is pissed off about that in the article.
― Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Saturday, 28 October 2023 02:23 (five months ago) link
♥️
― Bee OK, Saturday, 28 October 2023 03:52 (five months ago) link
time to hit Bandcamp while I still can
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 28 October 2023 08:51 (five months ago) link
Side note: does anyone remember the Institute of Spoons website from ~20 years ago which used to load with an audio file of Ian announcing the name?
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 28 October 2023 08:53 (five months ago) link
that was mostly a Friendly Science website iirc, which seemed to be a label designed to confuse
― koogs, Saturday, 28 October 2023 10:50 (five months ago) link
i mean in that interview Ian complains of things getting boring but if his idea of the alternative to that is this then...
https://www.discogs.com/release/925170-Various-The-Winner-Is-The-Loser
― koogs, Saturday, 28 October 2023 10:55 (five months ago) link
Thanks for sharing that Paste interview! It answered some questions that I had - primarily, why the studio version of "Blue Flower" wasn't on the 30th anniv edition (which was originally a bonus track for the U.S. release). I didn't know Ian didn't want it on the album and didn't think it was that good (I like it - and the Slapp Happy original and the Mazzy Star cover too). I got the CD version of the 30th anniv edition and was frankly a little baffled, thinking "there is plenty of space on the CDs for more bonus tracks!" So that's addressed in the interview:
Paste: Is that part of the reason that that song and the other b-side from the “Throwing Back The Apple” single didn’t get included in this reissue?Ian: I think it was more or less a decision to try and keep to the tracks that were on the original LP, demos of those and the brass band recordings because it would have been too expensive to have a double LP plus 7”. Those may get put on another compilation at some point.
Ian: I think it was more or less a decision to try and keep to the tracks that were on the original LP, demos of those and the brass band recordings because it would have been too expensive to have a double LP plus 7”. Those may get put on another compilation at some point.
Having the non-demo version of "Kinky Love" would have been nice, too - but if they end up putting out another compilation, as Ian mentions, that's cool too.
I also wish the 30th anniv edition booklet had a little more effort go into it - at least, more than just a few (small) photos and three quotes from band members.
― ernestp, Saturday, 4 November 2023 19:58 (four months ago) link
Spoonfed Hybrid album being re-released for Record Store Day with album of demo versions.
― djh, Friday, 16 February 2024 07:43 (one month ago) link
Gonna have to dig out Hibernation Shock this weekend. Found it in a used bin a few years back and have only listened to it once, I think.
― henry s, Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:03 (one month ago) link
Enjoy!
― djh, Saturday, 17 February 2024 10:03 (one month ago) link