This is true. Direct from SubPop, “After eleven years as a band, Sleater-Kinney have decided to go on indefinite hiatus.The upcoming summer shows will be our last. As of now, there are no plans for future tours or recordings. We feel lucky to have had the support of many wonderful people over the years. We want to thank everyone who has worked with us, written kind words about us, performed with us, and inspired us.But mostly we want to extend our gratitude to our amazing fans. You have been a part of our story from the beginning. We could not have made our music without your enthusiasm, passion, and loyalty. It is you who have made the entire journey worthwhile.”
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link
i like(d) sleater-kinney a whole bunch.
― M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link
And wow. Although it makes a certain amount of sense, I guess -- The Woods sort of feels like an end-point.
Wish I'd seen 'em live more than once -- they were fantastic.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I've seen them about 15 times. I knew it was getting a little excessive when I met Carrie Brownstein one time and told her how many times I'd seen them. She looked at me like I was completely insane.
It got to the point where I was getting dirty looks from Corin Tucker for wearing baseball caps at their shows.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link
What a run though! I saw them last summer supporting that half-assed Woods album: a scorcher of a show, as always.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― you make chatting lame (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― jonathan - stl (jonathan - stl), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Still Gear OTM, and I hope they'll come back in like 5 years or something. "Indefinite hiatus" is much better than an angry breakup. I do await the inevitable rarities compilation with baited breath though.
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
checking to see if there are any new england dates on this last tour. what a bummer! i love pretty much everything they've ever done.
― Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
And I definitely thought The Woods was a step in a different direction for them; not just with the music - I loved that needles-all-the-way-in-the-red production - but with the lyrics, too (at least Corin's).
I'm bummed, anyway.
― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link
i wonder what they'll do on their own now? i heard rumors of janet weiss doing some weird tribal drumming type stuff lately, which would be better than recent quasi i'm sure. i'd love to hear a carrie brownstein solo joint, too.
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Judging by the crowd at Lolla, I think their set will be met with a collective shrug by most in attendance. I don't think the hardcore S-K fans are going to be shelling out for the hefty tickets and dealing with all the other b.s. just for a 35-40 minute set. I'd love to be proven wrong and see a huge, appreciative crowd there to support them - but I don't see it reaching any level of "insanity".
― jonviachicago (jonviachicago), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― mike. (antlrs), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― aimee semple mcmansion (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link
I would definitely want to hear a Carrie solo album--I'm thinking she should do a sort of '70's folk-pop singer-songwriter thing, with Janet on the drums (and guitar solos).
― gooblar (gooblar), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link
They were awesome live.
― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
that's a pretty ace career
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I agree that the Woods must have been a really hard record to make. I think they seemed to be both frustrated and enervated about the political state of the U.S., nevermind Bush's winning the election. When I saw them live during The Woods tour, I personally felt a bit of this desperation in their playing and singing, and it made songs like "Steep Air" sound tragic and desolate.
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link
I knew I shoulda seen them when they came to town. This happened to me with the Delgados, too!
Luckily I had the good fortune to at least see Mclusky before they split.
Adios, S-K! What a fucking great band.
― Simon H. (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link
I thought it was cool in the reunion shows when they did "...Joey Ramone" and switched Kim for Thurston, even though they sang it as 'Kim Gore-Don'.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:00 (four years ago) link
”Angie" would scan.True, but if Angie doesn’t stick around, then it might seem awkward in the future that there’s recordings where a onetime touring drummer is addressed. Also, the other two session musicians might feel put out at not being mentioned. Corin should just elongate that line and name everyone, including Janet.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link
Yeah but she’s “just the drummer” so she prob won’t be included
Or maybe also if they did certain Stan's would blowing up social media with "HOW DARE THEY...!"
They didn't play "Step Aside" at my show.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link
Also, the other two session musicians might feel put out at not being mentioned. Corin should just elongate that line and name everyone, including Janet
And Lora McFarlane!
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
Nothing against either Carrie or Corin, but this whole thing is a bummer and it's kept me from giving the album a fair shake. (yes I realize this is my fault)
― Simon H., Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:13 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
also agree w/this, janet's drumming was such a huge part of s-k's appeal when i first got into them.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:22 (four years ago) link
Explicitly demoting a member is such a corporate rock move, a la Pink Floyd reducing Rick Wright to work-for-hire session guy because he didn't chip in enough cash to start-up nu-Floyd, or Bon Jovi firing Richie Sambora or Sabbath kicking out Bill Ward on their farewell tour or Mac dumping Buckingham. Purely mercenary.
I think I heard the new album once because someone played it when we were camping, but I didn't like the last one very much and frankly, when the band broke up I was more than satisfied and didn't need new music from S-K in any form.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:39 (four years ago) link
You and me both calstarsXos
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 November 2019 01:55 (four years ago) link
bon jovi fired richie sambora??!??!?!?
nothing is sacred
― j., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
Sambora may have quit, it's a bit unclear. All I know is that minus Sambora, count me out when it comes to listening to all their new music.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:11 (four years ago) link
lol i googled this as well. hard times.
― maffew12, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
Didn't Wire hire a tribute band that played their Punk stuff as an opening act?
also changed their name to wir when their drummer departed
(always thought rem should have gone with re when berry left)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link
a la Pink Floyd reducing Rick Wright to work-for-hire session guy because he didn't chip in enough cash to start-up nu-FloydHe was actually fired/demoted to session player status during The Wall. Waters thought he wasn’t contributing, and Gilmour concurred. Wright wasn’t even on A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, and was only added to the record’s “band” photo after the first pressing or two. Gilmour didn’t fully reinstate Wright until 1994/The Division Bell.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
And Ron Wood was on salary from 1975 until the early ‘90s, when the Stones finally made him a full member.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:35 (four years ago) link
The thought that people in this day and age are anticipating new Bon Jovi music PERIOD with or without Sambora is something else.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:37 (four years ago) link
Wright had the last laugh because he's the only one who made money on The Wall tour.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:38 (four years ago) link
didn’t Wright stay an employee for alimony reasons, as well? ( <- vague memory, can’t google)And Ron Wood was on salary from 1975 until the early ‘90s, when the Stones finally made him a full member.“the Stones” wanted him to be a member m/l all along, they just couldn’t convince Jagger until Bill Wyman quit, bcz then his own share wouldn’t be reducedthe shittier thing is that Wyman’s replacement Darryl Jones has now been in the band for 30 years on freelance fees, compared to Wood’s 14 or so on salary
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link
A friend of mine knows Jones and it sounds like he's doing OK. Gets like a ridiculous multi-thousand dollar per diem or something in addition to what I imagine is a very generous salary. I mean, Bobby Keys was never a full member, despite being off and on with the band since 1970.
It's actually funny that I brought Floyd up at all, because I literally just read this today: "A Momentary Lapse of Reason will be reissued again as part of the Pink Floyd: The Later Years box set, due in November 2019. The album has been "updated and remixed" by Gilmour and Andy Jackson, and will feature restored contributions from Wright and newly recorded drum tracks from Mason, to "restore the creative balance between the three Pink Floyd members." I guess Mason also barely played on the album at all. I knew a lot was drum machines and Jim Keltner (who complained after the fact that it was mostly just doubling what the drum machines were doing).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link
Momentary Lapse is a Gilmour solo album with a Pink Floyd marketing budget.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
I love how we're all bringing up male precedents
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:15 (four years ago) link
Is there a female precedent? Closest I could think of is maybe Cherie Currie leaving the Runaways or the different lineup adjustments of The Go-Gos--and those aren't that close.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:24 (four years ago) link
Or better still, Palmolive leaving both the Slits and the Raincoats.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:26 (four years ago) link
Pixies?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:28 (four years ago) link
If post-Janet S-K is as bad as post-Kim Pixies that's gonna be rough.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link
XP That's a good one! And kind of close to the S-K scenario of the band shrugging off the loss and continuing on.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link
yah, Pixies is great example. “just carrying on” without Kim doesn’t seem any big deal at all given how many versions on the Breeders there have been, toofriend of mine knows Jones and it sounds like he's doing OKvery glad (& not surprised) to hear it! I mean, Bobby Keys was never a full member, despite being off andsure, after the original sin of firing-but-keeping-and-hiding-in-the-wings Ian Stewart, The Stones can hardly sink lower. but afaik Jones has been as full-time a player as any band member since he first joined, not off and on
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 05:06 (four years ago) link
pixies without kim is a huge deal though
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:07 (four years ago) link
NO KIM NO DEAL
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:14 (four years ago) link
I mean, I personally have exactly no interest in anything after the two with-Kim reunion tracks, but it’s good that Joey and Lovering have satisfying day jobs, ihibidtae
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:53 (four years ago) link
(and I saw the with-Kim reformed Pixies twice & regretted it to varying degrees: seems like Paz has a good gig and Shattuck woulda been fun if the others hadn’t been huge weirdos)
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 07:39 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I saw the with-Kim reformed Pixies a couple of times and regretted it to such an extent that I've been dubious of just about every reunion since (despite a run of such awesome unlikely reunions I've enjoyed as Wire, Television, Soft Boys, Mission of Burma, dBs, Midnight Oil, Go-Betweens, Gang of Four, replaced Replacements ... ). I also saw the Pixies with that guy as Kim and the other Kim as Kim - incidentally, at festivals - and that's the end of that (sorry, Paz!).
The Eagles have been pretty ruthless about replacing people, but you could do worse than Vince Gill (and no one expects better of the Eagles). Springsteen has been solid with hiring replacements and integrating them into such an iconic band, it seems, but of course, neither of the guys he replaced left on bad terms or was fired. That's key, and why the S-K mess leaves a particularly bad taste.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
i mean comparing the general ethos of SK to the Eagles is just absurd
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:37 (four years ago) link
...well yeah
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
what do Don 'n' Ghost of Glenn think of S-K?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
Is there a female precedent?
The Pretenders spring to mind. Though TBF one member was fired, another died, and then the fired member died.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 21 November 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
Generally, I would have said so, too, until that Janet interview. Like, “"The roles changed within the band, and they told me the roles changed,” Weiss said of her former band mates Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker. “I said, ‘Am I just the drummer now?’ They said yes. And I said, ‘Can you tell me if I am still a creative equal in the band?’ And they said no. So, I left.” That is totally corporate and asshole and Eagles to not fire her and just tell her she's not an equal and she's welcome to stay (apparently) but she's just the drummer. (I assume that means they were going to cut her pay, too.) That type of behavior was presumably against the SK ethos, too, but here we are.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
This is how Janet should have handled it:
Leadon was disillusioned with the direction the band's music was taking and his loss of creative control as their sound was moving from his preferred country to rock and roll. His dissatisfaction, principally with Frey, boiled over one night when Frey was talking animatedly about the direction they should take next, and Leadon poured a beer over Frey's head, and said: "You need to chill out, man!"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:26 (four years ago) link
i saw S-K in chicago a couple of months ago and mostly made me realize that while i consider myself a fan of the band, i never really listened extensively to any of their albums after "all hands on the bad one" and they have four albums since then that i barely know. so they would start playing some "old" song and everyone would get really excited and i would have no idea what it was because it was from "one beat." the weirdest was "modern girl" off "the woods" which is their most popular song on spotify and everyone was having a big sing-along and i had never heard it before. it doesn't sound like a sleater-kinney song to me. obviously this is on me.
― na (NA), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
Really this comparison conversation should be about bands whose drummer is central to the character of the band. I mean, all of them, obviously, but bands where the drummer was replaced and there was a big backlash from fans?
In the podcast Janet talks more about how important it is that their personal relationships reflect their ideals, which is probably key here (and she's a great drummer obv).
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
the shittier thing is that Wyman’s replacement Darryl Jones has now been in the band for 30 years on freelance fees, compared to Wood’s 14 or so on salary
― insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
In a reverse of this, Zak Starkey has been playing with the Who since 1996, but when they offered to make him a permanent member of the band, he turned them down.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
This happened with Slayer. Dave Lombardo was crucial to their sound - he drove the band, basically - and when they replaced him with Paul Bostaph their music got a lot more monochromatic and generic and rhythmically bland, to my ear. (It didn't help that they started experimenting with groove metal and even nu-metal sounds during that period, too.) I don't know how much of a "fan backlash" there was, but there was a noticeable difference.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:57 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Martin Chambers was also fired (in 1986) and rehired (around 1994).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
haha when I saw SK a couple years ago I had the same experience with “Modern Girl” - the whole crowd sang along and I was like “...I don’t even know this one?”
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
Carrie used it to title her memoir which I imagine has lent it even greater significance to fans.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
the woods was a popular album
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
It's the only S-K album I know well! It's really good. I gather the earlier albums have their proponents too
― imago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
The tour for The Woods was phenomenal.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 November 2019 15:50 (four years ago) link
One of the main reason I felt content when they broke up. I think I saw three of those shows, the last from the side of the stage.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
Slayer is a good example!
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
Jimmy Chamberlin
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 November 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
My thread from whenever:
Let's List Bands That Got Worse with the Departure of a Drummer
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link