How can anyone listen to Hypnotize by Biggie?

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...when Puffy says something in the background every fucking two seconds ('Get that'...'Uh huh'...'Yeah'...) that completely detracts from what is otherwise one of the best hardcore rap songs ever?

Seriously, this had never struck me as being so extensively annoying until I heard the song on headphones - Puffy makes it almost unbearable.

― Gdap (gdap), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

new Pharell + Kanye is much worse for this.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

― FAN DEATH (teenagequiet), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe this thread exists in '06 but puffy adlibs = classic.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Fly By II" > "Hypnotize"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

wtf this song is great!

― M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Puffy adlibs are not great

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

except for "I only drink the finest breastmilks"

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Hey Big, how about you let me repeat a few of your lyrics here and there, not double-tracked or anything but slightly delayed, as though I'm really contributing to the vocal contact of the song".

"Those ha-HAs you do are much better than my well thought-through rhymes, make sure you use plenty of those."

― Gdap (gdap), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Never liked it. I thought the Rise loop was a bore to begin with, and I like Rise as well as looped based Hip-Hop.

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

This also applies when listening to "Juicy" on headphones. And it's even more annoying in that song because Biggie doesn't reference Puffy directly ("Hypnotize" has the Starsky & Hutch line).

― Adam Harrison-Friday (AdamFriday), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Juicy sampling Juicy = Lazy

Mase has down syndrome

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, "Hypnotize" is hardcore?

― Jeff Reguil0n (Talent Explosion), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

mase was gay with p-diddy, they were seen lip locking backstage at the grammys a few years ago. after a year mase dumped diddy for bobby brown, diddy got revenge by fucking whitney and hooking her on crack. when it was all over, mase came crawling back to diddy and bobby and whitney were left sucking the glass dick.

― gear (gear), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

so true

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe this thread exists in '06 but puffy adlibs = classic.

Could you elaborate on this Deej? I ask respectfully. 'Cause I can dig a hypeman, and I love Biggie, and I still think that (to use an example I always haul outta mothballs) that Puffy's "why?" in "Big Poppa" is a strong candidate for "most irritating and unnecessary single second in modern pop history"

E describes my hatred of Puffy as "irrational" and he may be right but I think it originates in how he seems oblivious to the tone of the pieces into which he drops his affirmations

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

he may be right but I think it originates in how he seems oblivious to the tone of the pieces into which he drops his affirmations

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/z/J/monsterspub2.jpg

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

wha

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

"You got a gun up in your waist, please don't shoot up the place"
"Why?"

w
t
f

is "why" doing after that line

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Because the next line is "'Cuz I see some ladies tonight who should be havin' my baby"; ie, "If you shot club, honeys be runnin' away."

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Because Diddy's the one
He likes all their pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus Dan OTM.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

And Li'l Jon says "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!"

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

payin' it fauxward

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

shouldn't it technically be "why not" then...?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I donno I don't even think about Puffy's presence, its just part of the song to me.

Its weird to me that people think of those songs as having some original 'form' of which his interjections weren't a part.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I really like his little Puffyisms. He's no rapper, but he has a nice voice for those bits. They're cute.

― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I compare more how things are mixed/tracked. Pointless background is cool when it becomes all swirling, but when it stands out and becomes distracting, lame.

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Deej OTM

― It's Rodney, currently unemployed! (R. J. Greene), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

except for it obvously distracted many of us...

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

PappaWheelie, I want the opinion of someone who was there:
TS: the charleston vs. the cabbage patch

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

GODDMAN HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?! The Charleston?

But yeah, I often joke that he cabbage patch is the longest lasting dance craze ever. How it becmae celebritory though...

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Dan's answer is right on paper, but it doesn't work for me because Puffy's delivery doesn't sound like that at all. I mean, he doesn't sound like a thug, he doesn't go "why the fuck not???", he's just all earnest and (as always) a bit sedate about it. It's like he's genuinley wondering why shooting the place up could be seen as undesirable in any sort of way, which makes the whole thing ring very silly.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Well that's because Puffy is a toolio.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Snoop inspired lazy knockoffs shockah

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Its just some back-n-forth in the chorus to make it more interesting, plenty of great songs have lyrical passages that don't make complete literal sense, and that song would be nothing without interjections like "How you livin biggie smalls?" "IN MANSIONS AND BENZES"

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

My Puff joint has always remained the original veriosn of benjamins. That guitar sample and reverse hi hat shit gets me everytime.

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

he doesn't go "why the fuck not???"

because that would be stupid :)

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

it works better with his sedated weirdness

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

how can you hate the chuckle after "leave your ass leakin' like rapper demos'?

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I also like his subdued shriek.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

i like the iron shriek

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

i didnt like it much at the time cos i thought his rapping style went soft - which it did, but its a good song, still.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 14 July 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

the "how you livin' biggie smalls?" is indisputably classic, can't front on that. It's really that "Why?" and also the (same song) "tell your friends to call my friends, we could be friends" ad-lib that make my skin crawl...he's like the guy who has nothing funny to add to the running joke but has to open his mouth anyway

I mean, to be a total thought-too-much-about-this dude: "You got a gun up in your waist/please don't shoot up the place/'cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin' my baby/baby" is kinda funny. Willfully ridiculous and egocentric: don't fuck up the party by killing people, because there are women here I wanna sleep with. But the "why," rhetorically, practially ruins an otherwise (mildly) clever line. Does anyone really ask "why" when somebody says "don't start shooting people at the party?"

Really?

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

I seriously hate the fuck outta Puffy's intejections

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

One day about six 'o clock I'm woke up
By the sound of my buzzer and a car or a truck
Screechin' off, so I jump up, scratch my nuts
But when I'm like "Who's that?" nobody speaks up
So I go to the door there's a note it says:
"We have Hip-Hop hostage with guns to his throat,
Do the right thing and we might let him go,
But if you call the police, that's all she wrote
You know what the motive is, it's all about dough
And in case ya think we bullshittin' here's the photo."
I couldn't recognize the clows because they was all hooded down
But I peeped Foxy Brown sippin' Cristal in the background
With fake alligator boots on
And smack dab in the middle was hip-hop with a Versace suit on
I immediately called Primo
I said "Hip-Hop is in trouble, meet me at my rest on the double
Don't even jump in the shower, matta'fact scratch my rest
Meet me and D & D in an half an hour
And bring all ya shit wit' you cuz you know what we got to do."
Yo Afu! (Whassup?) Lets jet-son like Elroy
If I recall correctly I last saw hip-hop down at Bad Boy
We'll see if Puff knows whassup
Cuz he's the one gettin' him drunk and fuckin' his mind up
We go to the office, he's nowhere to be found
So we snatch up Jay Black and beat his bitch ass down
"Now where's Hip-Hop?!" "Aaight, aaight..." he confessed:
"Suge came and took him from Puff last night,
He said he'd give him up if a real nigga came to retrieve 'em..."
So we went to L.A. later that evenin'
When we got there, everything was aaight
And we brought Hip-Hop back home that night.
ONE DAY...

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

that album wasn't as good as the first jeru one though, still one day was grebt.

― M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

as grebt as it gebts

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

AINT THE DEVIL HAPPY
http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/secret_shots/images/20040714_p_diddy.jpg
seriously tho, No Way Out > Wrath of Math

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

The "why" is also (sort of) necessary rhythmically. Sort of. It also doesn't really bother me.

― max (maxreax), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

it works better with his sedated weirdness

Why?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 15 July 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

But yeah urgh, the friends line, it's so...Memphis Mafia, or like Puffy's one of the "celebrity friends" they roll out on Vh-1's "Fabolous Life Of...". Like he doesn't really have anything to add, but has to pipe up anyway so people will know he's with Biggie Smalls and he'll get some pussy.

I'm far from being a Puffy hata per se, btw: his shiny-suited aphex was some sort of deranged genius, the production work he did on "Ready To Die" was mostly good, and wasn't the intro (you know, Biggie being born to "Superfly", commiting his first crime to "Top Billin'", etc.) his idea as well? Many props for that.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 15 July 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

Thomas Tallis intensely OTM

― rizzx (Rizz), Saturday, 15 July 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Why?

― J. Danny (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 July 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

...when Puffy says something in the background every fucking two seconds ('Get that'...'Uh huh'...'Yeah'...)

Better avoid Pete Rock all together.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Puff on BIG tracks = classick

But Puff screaming all over the album version of G-Dep's "Special Delivery" = bullshit.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

In response to that comment earlier about hearing it through headphones, has anyone ever noticed the incessent whistle that blows every bar in NWA's Express Yourself? It makes the song impossible to listen to through headphones for me, as you constantly notice it.

Listen out for it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPkuWHGN8IQ&search=nwa%20express%20yourself

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, you know what else sucks? hip-hop skits! Lets complain about those next.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm waiting for the hip-hop skit box set, with nothing but skits. You know you all want it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I hope it is a double cd compliation you could fit about 200 on there. That would be utter bliss. All of Kanyes please! maybe the second cd could be all skewed and slowed down!

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 15 July 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I was actually thinking about this recently, and I came to the conclusion that the Puffy adlibs situate the songs in a specific time & place where, if you're able to forget about his current ego and amazing ability to justify that ego (see: Making the Band), you can see Puffy as just this little dude who wants so much to be a part of things. It's funny. It doesn't always fit. But considering how fucking great Biggie's lyrics are, it's WAY easy for me to look past. This is pretty OTM:

or like Puffy's one of the "celebrity friends" they roll out on Vh-1's "Fabolous Life Of...". Like he doesn't really have anything to add, but has to pipe up anyway so people will know he's with Biggie Smalls and he'll get some pussy.

Also, deej hits it with the skits comment. The shit exists and it's pretty easy to look past. And it doesn't take anything away from Biggie's accomplishments as an MC. (Sorry if I'm just explaining the obv.)

― regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone ever noticed the incessent whistle that blows every bar in NWA's Express Yourself?

That's only in the crappy remix, which I think was done to remove the Charles Wright sample.

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

the production work he did on "Ready To Die" was mostly good,

Guys, you know what else sucks? hip-hop skits! Lets complain about those next.

All Puffy did on Ready to Die was the skits/intro/interlude

"Intro" (Produced by Sean "Puffy" Combs, samples Curtis Mayfield's "Superfly", Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight", Audio Two's "Top Billin'" & Snoop Dogg's "Tha Shiznit") – 3:24

"Things Done Changed" (Produced by Darnell Scott, samples Dr. Dre's "Lil Ghetto Boy") – 3:57

"Gimme the Loot" (Produced by Easy Mo Bee, samples Gangstarr's "Just to Get a Rep") – 5:04

"Machine Gun Funk" (Produced by Easy Mo Bee, samples Lords of the Underground's "Chief Rocka") – 4:16

"Warning" (Produced by Easy Mo Bee, samples Isaac Hayes' "Walk On By") – 3:40

"Ready to Die" (Produced by Easy Mo Bee, samples Ohio Players "Singing in the Morning") – 4:24

"One More Chance" (Produced by Bluez Brothers, samples DeBarge's "Stay With Me") – 4:43

"Fuck Me (Interlude)" (Produced by Sean "Puffy" Combs) – 1:31

"The What" (featuring Method Man) (Produced by Easy Mo Bee) – 3:57

"Juicy" (Produced by Poke Olivier, samples Mtume's "Juicy Fruit") – 5:03

"Everyday Struggle" (Produced by Bluez Brothers) – 5:19

"Me & My Bitch" (Produced by Bluez Brothers) – 4:00

"Big Poppa" (Produced by Chucky Thompson, samples the Isley Brothers "Between the Sheets") – 4:13

"Respect" (Produced by Poke Olivier, samples George McCrae's "I Get Lifted") – 5:22

"Friend of Mine" (Produced by Easy Mo Bee, samples Kool & The Gang's "Spirit of the Boogie" & Black Mambo's "Vicious") – 3:28

"Unbelievable" (Produced by DJ Premier, samples R. Kelly's "Your Body's Callin'") – 3:43

"Suicidal Thoughts" (Produced by Lord Finesse) – 2:54

― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Pete Rock ad libs VS. Puffy ad libs

― marcos lopez (mucho), Saturday, 15 July 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, you know what else sucks? hip-hop skits! Lets complain about those next.

hahaha the cheering section always gets its panties in a twist if anybody says anything mean about stuff they like

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

"I liked the recording of those late Beethoven quartets, what incredible music, but the farting sounds that cropped up every 32 bars kinda took me out of it"
"wow what a clueless hater you are, it's not about the farting sounds"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

"yeah I never even implied it was about the farting sounds or that the quartets weren't great, I just said the farting sounds were lame"
"whatever grandpa"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha the cheering section always gets its panties in a twist if anybody says anything mean about stuff they like

I think the point was that this is just sort of pointless complaining about some insignificant shit.

Also, I do believe there *is* a thread for complaining about rap skits..!

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Saturday, 15 July 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think the point was that this is just sort of pointless complaining about some insignificant shit.

unlike, say, every other thread on every message board ever

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 15 July 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

All Puffy did on Ready to Die was the skits/intro/interlude

He does get a co-producer credit on "One More Chance", "Juicy", "Big Poppa", "Me & My Bitch" and "Big Poppa". And of course he's the "executive producer" of the whole album, ho ho ho. But seriously, I don't find it too hard to believe that he had genuine creative input on the tracks he's listed as co-producing, they...make sense as Puffy productions, to me.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 15 July 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

unlike, say, every other thread on every message board ever

Right well, nitpicking about the way Puff Daddy says this or that word might seem *particularly* insignificant and nitpicky to some people

Also the farting quartet analogy doesn't really make sense, except for the part where you equate Puff Daddy's vocal ticks with ass-sounds

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Saturday, 15 July 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Just *try* listening to those ad-libs on headphones, and the farting analogy will seem almost complimentary.

I don't think Puffy talks nonsense on the tracks where he gets a verse too, like 'Mo Money Mo Problems', so maybe he just felt (feels?) the need to be involved in some way. Maybe he gets a song-writing credit for them.

― Gdap (gdap), Saturday, 15 July 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, also also, about background commentary in general: it's tolerable when rappers do it on their own songs, even Puffy, because you're listening to their voice anyway.

Eminem's early albums show that sound effects and ad-libbing (can you call it that if it's not spontaneous?) can be funny:

Jumped in a Chickenhawk cartoon with a cape on [Dun-da-da-da]

And beat up Foghorn Leghorn with an acorn

He's selective about where he says something, unlike Puffy, who goes all stream of conscious on Big's tracks without actually saying anything of substance.

― Gdap (gdap), Saturday, 15 July 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Whiney, OTM about that G. Dep song...he totally ruined that.

Otherwise, I don't mind Puff's interjections.

― Colin Cassidy (Colin Cassidy), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

10 years!

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Rise" rules.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

i heard "Rise" in subway the other day

― deej, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

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