Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

I was wondering when the new Pulp album would be released in America, thanks!

Right now my favorite records of the year involve a tie between Wilco & Trail of Dead at the top with the 90 Day Men album behind them.

I'm not sure how you see things as being stripped down. Just because they didn't use the same grandiose approach used on Summerteeth? That was the first time Wilco had ever done anything like that, so I don't see the "new" sound as that surprising. I just wonder how much of the new sound is due to Jim O'Rourke (can't wait to hear the album he and Tweedy did together).

As far as Jay Bennett leaving, Jeff definitely seems to struggle with sharing the spotlight, maybe he's just afraid of having to deal with another Uncle Tupelo-esque power struggle. After "A.M." he booted Max Johnston from the band, reportedly because all of the reviews praised Jonston's multi-instrumental prowess.

I have to confess that Tweedy is my musical hero. I love him. Love his songwriting (with the exception of songs like "Can't Stand It," "Monday" and "Outta Mind Outta Site"). I think Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is the best thing he has ever done. Pay attention to "Radio Cure," it's his finest song yet. All of this is from my ultimate fan- boy opinion, however.

Making the whole thing even more problematic is that I just picked up the Uncle Tupelo compilation yesterday, and it reminds me of just why I have so much respect for Tweedy and Farrar: they were brilliant at taking something that was stripped down and making it seem lush, either through emotion or just plain ol' honesty. Farrar hasn't done much better since the break, starting with one amazing release and then winding down into more generic territory since.

Pardon my ignorance - which album is this? I couldn't find anything fitting this description in allmusic.com.

Sick. And yes, I have both albums around on mp3 format, huzzah.

Here's where I admit Uncle Tupelo et al is a cult I could never really figure out, care about or stand. Nice enough intentions and all, I guess, but anyway.

Dear, sweet wonderful man. You are part of the cult. I should proclaim myself the new Darby Crash or something. "Follow what I do or say. Get yourself a Raggett Burn."

But make no mistake, I LOVE the album. And it makes all the difference in the world to listen to it for real, not streaming off the net. I have made that mistake so many times and almost refused to by albums that ended up being great. Next time I want to "sample" an album I'll go to a record store that lets me listen.

Those of you still in doubt, just try to find a friend who has YHF and borrow it. Don't listen to it on the little PC speaker, or even "big" computer speakers. Gotta crank it in the car!

Cheers

I was disappointed to see it fall this week to #34 on Billboard after a kickass start at #13. I imagine a lot of the fast start was from pre-orders, etc. It was kind of a fairy tale anyway, the idea that this album could come rip up the charts when even some of my good friends, smart people with good musical taste, still haven't even heard of Wilco (what is up??). Another big problem is lack of radio play. So far, I think "Heavy Metal Drummer" is the one getting played on a few stations. The coolest station here in Austin (besides NPR) claims to be playing it, but I haven't heard it on there yet. I keep enduring hours of Steve Earle and Lucinda Williams, even some Counting Crows just to see if Wilco will come on. Okay, I personally like all those artists, don't get mad! But all I want to hear right now is something new, and I want other people to hear it as well.

I'm a little surprised "Drummer.." was picked as the single (was it picked? Or are stations just picking it up?).. I think it's pleasant, but kinda sing-songy and a little lightweight - in my opinion. That's just because the rest of the album is so good. But it is certainly catchy.. we shall see.

Cheers, Scott

Greil Marcus hates it even more. Fah.

At any rate, I read that Village Voice review. What really made me frustrated with it is the fact that the critic couldn't seem to figure out what message he was trying to get across. By the end of the review, I knew he thought that YHF: 1. Is too hyped 2. Is a great album 3. Is an okay album 4. Tweedy is a shuffling, somewhat soulless suburban white boy 5. But he is a good songwriter 6. But he's still white 7. People need to listen to music not performed by white people 8. But YHF is a good album sometimes 9. But we really shouldn't like it too much.

If there was a #10, it would be "confusion". The critic seems to be entirely in conflict. He wants to recommend the album, but is upset at all the raves it is getting, so he can't outright recommend it, but he can't say with a straight face that it's bad.

By the end of it I really regretted having mired myself in such rubbish. This guy needs to just go back to reviewing the album, not society, other critics, circumstances, and fans lack of appreciation for his other, more worldly music. Uggh.

Other stuff, I for one just got Amnesiac and so far I'm kind of intrigued. Even though I have NEVER liked Radiohead, for some reason. No, not even OK Computer, really. But maybe I'll give it all another try. Anyone heard Pinback? Kind of mellow, nice vocals. A nice change of pace.

Neither can I -- but neither can I say it's all that, because it isn't.

Oh, so it's an overrated dog's breakfast of inconsistencies?

This (very neat) summary is why I liked the bits I liked of the review - it sums up the critic's conflictedness very well. I wish his editor had printed the above instead of the full monty.

I left the review thinking the critic was probably a bit of an arsehole and scared of his own indie past/present (i.e. identifying with him) but thinking that he'd got the it's-good-but-limited point over quite well.

found it thanks.

Unified Theory is not simply Jay's mix then? What is it?

it's definitely not his mix (i don't think he made a full mix of the album to begin with, only a few tracks), it's just a set of alternate versions of tracks from what's clearly fairly far along in the process - though i expect the full liner notes in the boxset explains it. they spent a long time messing around in the studio recording many different arrangements of every track & it's some of the results of that + an early version of "hummingbird" that didn't make the album. some of the arrangements are very different from the final version, & some are just incomplete and in an earlier state or only part of what was used in the final mix. "ashes of american flags (stravinsky mix)" was intended for the final album though but they couldn't clear the stravinsky sample that goes throughout the entire track originally.

combined with the long-ago-leaked "engineer demo" collections that also probably make up some of the other discs in the set it's an extremely cool insight into the creative process of the album

Damn I wanted to splurge the whole super deluxe in one go but this will suffice for now

I'm reading some reports elsewhere from those who have the CDs of the full set, saying that the third disc is very 'Jay-esque'... the presence of Venus and Shakin' Sugar would only add to that

seeing reports that some of the other discs include some of the well-bootlegged demos/studio wip versions but a lot is still completely new

That does not bother me as those boots were goldmine to begin with

I love YHF but these alternate mixes really highlight how truly bad it could have been. It's a near miracle that Jim O'Rourke managed to pull off what he did.

Full-band Venus Stopped The Train is what I now want to hear though. I always wondered if the Ken Coomer appearances on the songs that reappears on the Bennet/Burch album had anything to do with repurposing tracks laid down during the YHF sessions

xpost much of the stuff that has just come out sounds like entirely different takes though? Pot Kettle Black possibly being one expection

Listening again now and I think the Stravinsky version of Ashes is another performance entirely. Hence you get the second outro which resembles that from the album

some of them are different versions entirely while some of them sound like they were heavily used in the final mixes - "i am trying to break your heart" was clearly edited together from this drones & percussion version as well as other takes such as the rhodes-driven version on the engineer demos bootleg, "radio cure" is pretty close to the final just the drums are different & it's missing a lot of the keyboard parts from the final version, "jesus, etc." seems to just be missing the strings, and so on

"ashes of american flags" isn't a different performance entirely but there are still a lot of differences from the final apart from just the sample - the drums are different (iirc bennett played the take that was used on the final version while it sounds like the stravinsky mix was kotche), there's a lot of synths added in places in the final version to try to capture the feeling of the removed sample & the way the main piano & guitar fade in and out is different

Nice. Are there detailed credits in the box? Can hear what sounds like Jeff lead guitar on the Stravinsky version too

Never knew Jay drummed on the final version either. Only now I can notice it's obviously not Glenn. Always assume the even earlier version that leaked in 2002 was Ken "not feeling the song" but no idea now.

the most 'who plays what' info we have available for yhf is just from this interview with bennett where he lists what he played on each track: https://gloriousnoise.com/jay-bennett-yhf

ah apparently the story with the stravinsky mix was that it's just a rough mix from when they were playing around with the idea of using the sample, but they found out they couldn't get clearance before the final mix was finished or anything which is why there's still a bunch of other changes

ooh there's a lovely full-band take of "venus stopped the train" on the american aquarium disc

The Stravinsky mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMOB0I7rOc

As is, once it gets past the intro, I'm not sure it really works - it feels a little sloppy at times, like it needs more finessing. Very interesting though.

(To clarify, I mean the mix and getting the sample to really work within it.)

I listened to some of this box set today and I think Tweedy should send Jim O'Rourke a bouquet of flowers once a week for the rest of his life

Paul Ponzi otm.

agreed so far. I like the sorta mangled “when the levee breaks” drum take on the unified theory take.

It's not something I'd want to buy, but it plays like a great collection for a research library - something I'd explore only once or twice, but invaluable in showing how this album was made.

there's a few real gems & it's an absolutely fascinating insight into the creative process behind it, one of the very best as far as these sort of deluxe reissues go

Absolutely. I knew a lot was written (or rather speculated) in terms of how the album evolved, and I remember Kot (either in his book or elsewhere at the time) mentioning that one of the big misconceptions surrounding the album was that O'Rourke was all about adding experimental elements to it when he mainly took thing out as if he was distilling the mix. Even with those details, it still left a lot to the imagination, so it's really edifying to have these recordings finally available.

*took things

I started off thinking 'the song is strong enough to survive anything' but jeez, I had to turn it off about 2 minutes in. The drums are actively annoying.

the one song that _is_ more experimental in the final mix is "poor places", very different from all the earlier takes. i'm up to the barrel-scraping "lonely in the deep end" disc now.

barrel-scraping

I'm surprised no one's been cheeky enough to title a box set bonus disc that very phrase.

From these descriptions it sounds like 'yankee hotel foxtrot (drag city edition)' -- messing around in ways that could be unlistenable or brilliant or both.

I'm surprised no one's been cheeky enough to title a box set bonus disc that very phrase.

― birdistheword

https://gentlegiantmusic.com/GG/Scraping_the_Barrel

From these descriptions it sounds like 'yankee hotel foxtrot (drag city edition)' -- messing around in ways that could be unlistenable or brilliant or both.

― The self-titled drags (Eazy)

you could definitely put together an "all-avant-garde" version of the album from the stuff here. maybe i'll work on that project!

the album version of "poor places" is so different because restructuring it so radically was o'rourke's idea so that happened at a very late stage in the process

ok, i went ahead and did it:

Lost on the Sidewalk: The Unlistenable _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_

Finally, Wilco has their own _Black Belt in Boogie_ - an unlistenably avant-garde record that everybody hates and which probably _isn't_ releasable. I am, of course, a staunch defender. The haters may claim that the John Bonham drums on "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" are way overmixed, that the talkbox on "Pot Kettle Black" is wholly unnecessary, that the overly obtrusive Stravinsky interpolation and the gratuitous use of numbers stations recordings ruin what otherwise would be perfectly fine songs, that the keyboard wobble and woozy Mellotron on "Reservations" is way overdone, that "Has Anybody Seen My Pencil?" is obviously an unfinished jam that _maybe_ could have been a song if they'd done some actual work on it, that for God's sake they had perfectly good songs like "Jesus, Etc.", "A Magazine Called Sunset", and "Shakin' Sugar" that would have been _greatly_ improved the album, maybe replacing something like the obvious Radiohead knockoff "Remember to Remember". Nonsense. The album is _perfect as it is_. Y'all just don't appreciate the sublime artistry of Jeff Tweedy and Jay Bennett.

I Am Trying To Break Your Heart (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Kamera (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Radio Cure (Here Comes Everybody)
Has Anybody Seen My Pencil? (Lonely in the Deep End)
Venus Stopped the Train (American Aquarium)
I'm the Man Who Loves You (American Aquarium)
Ashes of American Flags (Stravinsky Mix) (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Pot Kettle Black (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Remember to Remember (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Poor Places (Yankee Hotel Foxtrot)
Reservations (The Unified Theory of Everything)

there's a 6 minute version of "poor places" on the long-ago bootlegged 'engineer demos' collection (but unfortunately left off the boxset) that's clearly an early take of the new structure that o'rourke came up with - the piano is still a fair-bit more bar-band than the album version etc. - so i'd include that version on that

good suggestion! jeez, i can almost hear mal evans counting to 32 on that one.

Thanks for that mix rushomancy, going to cobble together a playlist once I get a chance to rip the box.

yw! i actually put together two more mixes:

Not for the Season: The pop _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_

It was hard to know what to expect when it was announced that Wilco would be working with Jim O'Rourke, but it certainly wasn't this album of 2 1/2 to 4 minute pop songs. It's catchy, but there's not really a lot here that wasn't done better and with more emotional depth on _summerteeth_. In some ways it's even a callback to _Being There_, what with the banjo on songs like "War on War". There's some interesting experiments, like the Optigan on "The Good Part", but overall? A solid double, maybe. Not a grand slam. A little bit of a disappointment given that before the album came out they were playing some pretty interesting tracks live, like "Cola" and "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart". Might be nice to hear studio recordings of those songs - it's rumored they were dropped due to record company interference. A shame if so.

Not for the Season (Here Comes Everybody)
Kamera (Here Comes Everybody)
Cars Can't Escape (Here Comes Everybody)
War on War (American Aquarium)
Jesus, Etc. (Yankee Hotel Foxtrot)
Shakin' Sugar (American Aquarium)
Pot Kettle Black (Yankee Hotel Foxtrot)
Poor Places (American Aquarium)
Heavy Metal Drummer (Yankee Hotel Foxtrot)
The Good Part (Here Comes Everybody)
I'm the Man Who Loves You (The Unified Theory of Everything)
A Magazine Called Sunset (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Anniversary (American Aquarium)

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Lost Poem: The _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_ basement tapes

Wilco's projected followup to _summerteeth_ (often known as "Here Comes Everybody", though the band abandoned that name before they abandoned the sessions) is one of the great "What ifs" of rock history. The band had started recording what was supposed to be a more experimental follow-up to the album, and was working with Jim O'Rourke. Unfortunately, the sessions were a chaotic affair, beset by personnel changes, with the recording collapsing after Jay Bennett's acrimonious departure/firing (depending on who you ask) from the band. While the sessions were productive in that they were the root of Tweedy and O'Rourke's long-running Loose Fur project - and indeed, "Not for the Season" would show up on the Loose Fur record in longer, more experimental form as "Laminated Cat" - one can't help but wish that Wilco had at least managed to finish the record. Songs like "American Aquarium" and "I am Trying to Break Your Heart" had genuine potential, and it's a shame that they were never finished. All that remains is this rough bootleg of loose rehearsal jams.

American Aquarium (American Aquarium)
Poor Places (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Pot Kettle Black (Here Comes Everybody)
Not for the Season (American Aquarium)
Has Anybody Seen My Pencil? (Lonely in the Deep End)
I'm the Man Who Loves You (Lonely in the Deep End)
Jesus, Etc. (The Unified Theory of Everything)
Remember to Remember (Here Comes Everybody)
Lost Poem (Lonely in the Deep End)
Love Will (Let You Down) (Lonely in the Deep End)
The Good Part (Lonely in the Deep End)
Ashes of American Flags (Here Comes Everybody)
I Am Trying to Break Your Heart (American Aquarium)

listened to the live set & the versions of "misunderstood" and "sunken treasure" on there are wildly different arrangements i'd never heard before, fascinating

Didn't see this shared yet:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/arts/music/wilco-yankee-hotel-foxtrot.html

Tweedy had a solo version of sunken treasure with that arrangement from early 2000, but I hadn’t heard the full band accompaniment (or I probably have and age is doing its thing :/)

I recently got the 2CD version and wanted to figure out what else I should cherry pick from the Super Deluxe box. This was very helpful: https://raisemyglasstothebside.wordpress.com/2022/10/02/wilco-yankee-hotel-foxtrot-outtakes/

It's crazy how the skyline in NYC looks exactly like the cover art for YHF but without the need for filters or anything else. Stay indoors if you can.

looks exactly like the western U.S. every August/September for the past 5-7 years, too.

Pictures of Marina Towers here today would capture a near-cloudless sky blue sky.

xp i know my last comment was annoying. forgive me. i kept it off social media all day and let it slip here.

hope it clears out soon, east coast.

Thriftbooks is selling the big-ass vinyl box for $81 after taxes, free shipping. I never even considered buying the box but that's a hell of a deal.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/yankee-hotel-foxtrot/1000304988/#edition=65465728&idiq=54276503

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thanks for the heads up

Thanks!