TS: Yardbirds vs. Zeppelin (No G00glers Please)

Let me think. I have a couple Yardbirds tracks on comps. Led... nope. Caint say I do.

oh, come on - it's really silly to say shit like that and act like there's some kind of objective, undeniable truth that must compel everyone's tastes, isn't it?

i'd say zeppelin were the better band but it doesn't mean roger the engineer isn't in my car stereo more often than zeppo.

Reason? I'm too much of a 1960's garage fanatic to let them slide.

agreed. highly underrated..

Heinrich Himmler whined endlessly about this.

Zep, purely for "Ramble On". And maybe "No Quarter".

i thought this thread was started to spark debate, not send down some holy rule that zep was the best.

and your comment that zep was the greatest rock band of all time is absolutely ludicrous to me, but hey it is your opinion and I won't knock you for it. See how that is done? Giving people space for their opinions?

can we use this thread to discuss & bemoan the rhetorical function of "sorry" in this sentence & many others like it? I'm pretty sure what it means is "your opinion probably brought you pleasure, but when I get done saying what I have to say, you'll know that your pleasure was bullshit, so I apologize, only I don't really mean it, because my own opinion brings me pleasure"

but so often this is the fully-intended message

Zeppelin for me.

Reason? I'm too much of a 1960's garage fanatic to let them slide.

-- Rev. Hoodoo (hoodoo12...), July 20th, 2006.

Led Zeppelin played garage way better than the Yardbirds, and did a bunch of other stuff too.

LZ are impressive, but once you kind of get what they're about they're pretty heavy-handed and somewhat dull.

YBs - wank in approx 30 seconds
LZ - take all night

Marilyla, you are the only one in this thread who should be embarrassed by his or her own comments.

but Zep's got the depth and the consistency. so Zep natch.

Also, the key element of Zeppelin (apart from JPJ) is Page's production - not as a guitarist (or even as writer)

...but i think zep is the best and also the eric clapton era yardbirds are just another fairly typical blues rock band (the fact that crapton wanted to quit because of the awesome "for your love" pretty much typifies everything that's wrong about him)

My friend and I joked about that...we heard one of his 80s slow jams on the radio and we like "this is the guy who quit the fuckin YARDBIRDS because they were too pop?". Hard to believe.

dood where were you on that "dispensable bandmember" thread where everyone was all "Zep didn't need JPJ"/"he's just a bass player" etc.!! that shit drove me crazy - JPJ is totally Zep's "secret weapon"

And I LIKE Led Zep too! But there's this friend of mine who is a major soul collector, and he has this weird habit of describing any and every white rock band from the Vietnam era as "garage." That is as wrong as two left-foot shoes; a Led Zep song on a BACK FROM THE GRAVE or PEBBLES compilation would sound incorrect, wrong, out of place, accidental, you name it.

But a YARDBIRDS track would be more in the groove.

Led Zeppelin pwns just about the entire universe because they recorded "Presence".

True. Corny purist fuxors they are.

Unless you punked up the Zep song, or made the Yardbirds tune "heavy."

The correct answer is Keith Relf's last band Armageddon.

Are you kidding me? Yardbirds? What a joke. It's funny that some people think going against the norm is the cool thing to do. Sorry, but Zeppelin is the greatest rock band of all time and to claim that The Yardbirds are better isn't only a sad mistake on your part, it's foolish. Give me a valid explanation for The Yardbirds being a better band or stop emabarrassing yourself.

― Marilyla (Carrie Lynn), Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:11 AM (3 years ago)

SB'd you for that.

ZEPPLIN: THE GREATEST ROCK BAND OF ALL TIME. TO CLAIM THAT (INSERT ANOTHER BAND) ARE BETTER ISN'T ONLY A SAD MISTAKE ON YOUR PART -- IT'S FOOLISH.

get the led out, people.

The Yardbirds were an amazing group and kind of an illustration on how far electric guitar music moved between say 64-68. The biggest problem with the Yardbirds is that they never really had consistent songwriting within the group and their management really made some odd moves that kind of stalled their career out. Their management and record labels in the US also in hindsight didn't realize what they had. By the time Page ended up in the Yardbirds, that band was kind of behind the times, trying for any type of odd ball pop hit they could do with material that was really ill-suited for their talents. Maybe a different manager or label would have said, forget trying to do these odd Hollies like numbers and got them playing heavy blues with the Marshalls cranked with both Beck and Page up front ala The Experience.

LZ lifted things from here and there, but added to what they created and their penchant for arrangement and production kind of puts them in a different level. LZ also had pretty cohesive management from a band aspect that kept them on a straight line onwards or upwards, where many of their contemporaries when you look at the story did not (see Deep Purple or say Humble Pie). Then again, the state of the art of electric guitar music moved at light speed in just a few years and what was the cutting edge of the Yardbirds in 66 was quite different than the time LZ I came out in 69.

Really the first Jeff Beck Group could have been Led Zep, as the talent was there in line to be phenomenal large group but things didn't work out and Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood went onto The Faces and solo success.

zepplin really aren't my cup-of-tea, tho i totally get why others love them.

regardless of your feelings on the band, they were really good musicians, no? it's hard for me to evaluate their musicianship against, say, the current crop of indie rock acts (not that it matters, but i've just wondered about it).

their penchant for jrr tolkien fantasy is what really put them on a different level

If you cut out the blues influence, lyrically speaking Burzum and Led Zeppelin are nearly identical.

I may or may not be slightly exaggerating there.

Maybe Yardbirds vs Cream would've been at least a little fairer

The thing is that the Yardbirds didn't change in the wake of Cream and the Experience coming out. I think Beck saw that change happening, as his group after he left definitely was going for that kind of sound.

what does no googlers please mean

this is a comparison of the two rock bands The Yardbirds and Zeppelin (No G00glers Please)

I like LZ, but I have to go with The Yardbirds on this. In the post Clapton-era they seem to be trying to do about 10 things at once - trad blues, pop, raga, proto-metal, psych, garage yet with a weird take on all of them. When it all falls into place it's greater than anything LZ ever did- e.g UUSD, Heart Full Of Soul, Shapes Of Things, Turn Into Earth, What Do You Want, Puzzles, HTYTA, Little Games....
LZ are impressive, but once you kind of get what they're about they're pretty heavy-handed and somewhat dull.

― Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, July 21, 2006 7:42 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

this is pretty much OTM for me...The Yardbirds are pretty much one of the main archetypes as far as awesome rock bands go...

The correct answer is Keith Relf's last band Armageddon.

― Jim, Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'll buy that.

From the Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud? thread:

Zep rules.... i didn't read everyone answer cuz im too stoned.....but zep kicks ass and everyone that said that zeppelin's music sucks, is way too stubborn to let the music take over.......by not liking zep you have just not succum to transendece or Plants voice............you think its cool not to like what everyone else thinks...(you all know who u are).....u think that by liking a less popular band it makes you more unique.....but in actuality your just a bunch suckers that think it cool to listen to a shitty band.....

Also:

Led zeppelin fucked a girl with a shark. they also made some totally huge sounding music. also, they made some pretty bad music. seeing as they fucked that girl with the shark,though, they rule.

Here is the first song (Buzzard) from the Keith Relf led Armageddon cd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PHqzfhVUBc

Jim

but in actuality your just a bunch suckers that think it cool to listen to a shitty band.....
;_;

it's weird that someone who's so heavy into Zep wouldn't at least acknowledge that the Yardbirds are pretty good, even if stoned. it's like someone who loves Lou Reed but thinks the VU suck.

the fake crowd noise on that 1968 yardbirds w/jimmy page live album is tacked on so clumsily, its hilarious.

Buzzard is such a ridiculously great song. Sucks those guys only recorded one album.

They (Armageddon) mainly rock hard on their album but the second song is mellow and it is great also and the subject matter is especially poignant considering Relf's soon to be fate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k19lV829RGM

Thats a great tune too.

Led leppard iz muh fav

Well here is a song that they both did, I prefer the Yardbirds version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag