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Does anyone have any advice for getting started as a writer/reviewer? I have two semesters left in college (I'm majoring in Creative Writing). Obviously, school is a big factor in preparing me, but I am thinking I should start to branch out now so I can make getting a job writing a closer and more realistic goal after I graduate.

I think it's fair to say the more writing I do, the better, so I'm going to try to contribute to magazines, newspapers, and websites as much as I can.

I found a handy e-how article on the subject of freelance writing, but I would love to hear from anyone who has advice for me...

Thanks! (I'm such a newbie be gentle with me!)

Colin Cassidy (Colin Cassidy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

do you know anything about dance music? I am looking for dance music writers/reviewers (not paid, unfortunately). learn on the job!

Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

Be prepared to get paid nothing or next to nothing for a long time. Keep coming up with solid pitches and keep submitting them to publications you admire. If your pitches get accepted, turn your finished pieces in on time, and edit them as well as you can.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm such a newbie be gentle with me!)

You'll becomed seasoned and savvy the faster and more often someone rips your nuts off and stuffs them in your mouth. Don't worry, they grow back.

Be prepared to get paid nothing or next to nothing for a long time

This is the contribution of a serious know-nothing. Be prepared to always be paid next to nothing, no matter your experience, if you're a free-lancer in any flavor of journalism.

The best advice you'll get is this: Become a well-rounded hard-nosed journalist. Don't restrict yourself to pop music. Do hard news, do local news, do it all.

If you can't muster up the inspiration to do it simply for the sake of it, quit.


Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not a writer, but I beg you to listen to the album all the way through, at least twice.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

Try and fool yourself into thinking that you're the Jacques Fucking Derrida of the music world and hate all music not made by black artists.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

They'd just have to work hard to share all their cherished insider knowledge with a bunch of ignominious twats. Put up with the fist-pounding of self-obsessed pompous little pricks still tied to their mother's apron strings, the nit-picking of ineffectual sociopaths, the inconsiderate hollow and coarse baying of snobs and gluttons, all the time trying (rather pathetically) to hold onto the idea that treating other people with respect is the only way to make the world a better place.

That would seem to be the case, more often than not.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

You don't need to italicise your own opinion.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

if people don't treat others with a certain amount of respect they will be unceremoniously struck off the register; the software's ability to trace people's IP addresses will mean they'll be unable to sidle in with another avatar

Possibly moderators need to do a little more of this.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

The best advice you'll get is this: Become a well-rounded hard-nosed journalist. Don't restrict yourself to pop music. Do hard news, do local news, do it all.

that's terrible advice! how many pop writers would make hard-nosed newsmen? and vice versa? financially it's sound, but it's also pie-in-the-sky.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

Get a day job and keep it would be the best advice here, if you're only thinking of doing music journalism.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

OTM, that. Enrique too: unless you're working at a newspaper, any sense of yourself as a "hard-nosed journalist" is an impediment in the insular and peculiar world of music writing @ magazines.

seriously I'd get a blog and post like crazy as well as pursuing every freelance possibility that pops up, despite the low pay.

also take advice from bitter, twisted x-critix w/a grain o'salt.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Accumulate well-placed acquaintances. Turn nothing down.

Pete W (peterw), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Remember that the trick to deep throating is to just relax when it goes in your mouth, and don't force anything, just let it slide down naturally.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Accumulate well-placed acquaintances.

hahaha.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

what henry hahah'd.

seriously I'd get a blog and post like crazy as well as pursuing every freelance possibility that pops up, despite the low pay.

tried that, didn't work.

also take advice from bitter, twisted x-critix w/a grain o'salt.

he's right there you know.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

Also: change your name to Coren.

Pete W (peterw), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Marcello Coren's music column in the Times Saturday Magazine.

email me and maybe we'll swap mixtapes

I could do that. Be a sight better read than bloody Crampton riding his motorbike ineptly around the Lea Valley.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Write as much as you can and get your clip file stacked with good pieces. Write anything that anyone offers even if it doesn't pay. Try and write for websites (PopMatters and others) and small magazines (Wonka Vision and many others) that have some sort of reputation first even though they pay little or nothing. After you put in your time make as many connections as you can and pitch the hell out of magazines.

As far as knowing hard news and other trad. journalism, it is definitely a skill that I think is worth acquiring though certainly not necessary. Being able to pay the rent by writing for a newspaper as a staff newswriter can be good while freelancing music stuff.

Also, something that I did that worked well was, I would contact a well known music journalist and ask him if he had time to look at my clips and give me suggestions on how to improve my reviews. even the higher profile critics are more available and open than you would think.

good luck and feel free to email me if you have any more questions.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

turn your finished pieces in on time

This is the most important thing. A RELIABLE WRITER IS A PAYING EDITOR'S BEST FRIEND.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Also, something that I did that worked well was, I would contact a well known music journalist

Yeah, you know any?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ned: I don't "know" them but i was able to get contact info on them and they were very willing to help me out early on. I still seek out their advice on occassion as I would not call myself even established yet. But I feel like I am in the position to help out new music journalists as I have just been through that phase and am on my feet and making a meager living out of writing.

I don't particularly know why you asked that though, Ned.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

and by well known i really meant well respected, perhaps that i what i should have written. find someone who's writing you admire and try and contact him/her.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I will take your advice and go look for some.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Cassidy,
Writing as someone in nearly the same situation as you (I added another major to my Creative Writing major, so four more semesters for me... but it would have been two)....

FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF.

And seriously, good luck.

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I've been trying to get a hold of this guy for years, but the bastard won't return my emails.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Raggett

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

quit now and try something actually lucrative.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

otm

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

For example, SPORTS WRITING. It's a lot like music writing, and, yes, there are a ton of freelancers, but there are also LOADS of FULLTIME sportswriting jobs, where you get benefits and shit.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've been trying to get a hold of this guy for years, but the bastard won't return my emails.

He's a punk. Ignore him.

quit now and try something actually lucrative.

Most wise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

"I think it's fair to say the more writing I do, the better"

Well, yes and no. Depends what you're writing, and for whom. Two biggest ways to improve as a writer:

1) Write for conscientious editors, and ask them why they make the changes they do

2) Read good writers. Of all kinds. Definitely NOT just music critics, and not just journalism either. I know this sounds obvious, but you'd be surprised how inbred the reading habits of many writers can be.

Also, you're young. Be poor, have fun, see what you can get away with. Editors are more desperate than you think, and the competition is lamer than you can imagine. If it doesn't work out, you can always get a real job when you grow up.

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

hang with ned and you'll be cool kid. everything will be A-OK

kevin barking (arghargh), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

good dog - your email isn't working...

wolves (wolves), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gooddogmagazine.com/

I don't see any dance coverage!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Pop Ryan is a music writer?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Just finished my first year at university and I'm interested in the music-reviewing business myself. Studying English Literature, in case you were wondering (you weren't, but I've got you by the balls now, haven't I?)

(Haven't I?)

Anyway, just wondering if it's any different in the UK. Will I have to go around being seen at Maximo Park concerts and write nice things about Antony And The Johnsons? Will I have to burn all my Mansun and Yes albums? Will I have to use the phrase 'saviours of pop' in two-thirds of my articles?

Because if so, I'm off to be a sportswriter, sorry, 'correspondent'. :D

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

yes, pop ryan is a music writer.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Would it be cynical of me to say "don't tell people you're a Creative Writing Major" might help a tad?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

No, that's not cynical at all. I try to avoid the topic myself.

trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 27 July 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

agreed on that one. editors get scared of creative writing majors.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Thursday, 27 July 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

Louis, you must spend at least a year as Kaiser Marcello's batman before they even let you get a glimpse of David Toop's writing desk behind the velvet curtain. And then, and only then, if you are lucky, they will allow you to have your very own pen and pencil set. And even when you receive your set you must spend six months copying out Richard Cook's Rip Rig & Panic interview from the june 1982 issue of the NME. After THAT, Stevie Chick will send you his washing.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 27 July 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

Advice: Knowing the basics of proofreading and copy editing is immensely helpful. It won't make you get music any better, but it'll give you a skill set that by necessity puts you in contact with loads of writers and editors.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 27 July 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

For starters dude it's "a lot"!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 July 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

hi, sorry my email is a fake. would-be dance writers can contact tami AT residentadvisor.com... looking forward to hearing from you!

Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

oops. that should be tami AT residentadvisor.net. dot com is a cybersquatter

Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

I have seen david toop's writing desk.

HPSTRKRFT (haitch), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

None of my writing is on David Toop's writing desk.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Treat it as a hobby, not a career. Treat any cheques you get as nice presents with which to buy an amplifier, not as "rent and food" money. The full-time job thing is bang on. You can't make a career as a music journalist (in the UK, and probably US), unless you hate music.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.frieze.com/column_single.asp?c=332

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

It was never going to be anything but a hobby. I'll probably be a hard-nosed bastard news journo during daylight hours... :(

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see a Pop Ryan music review.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

You can't make a career as a music journalist (in the UK, and probably US), unless you hate music.

wow, what utter bullshit

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Brooker: Then go to PopMatters and search my name, Ryan McDermott. I'm saying that i'm fucking Greil Marcus, but I like what I do.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

CORRECTION: mean to write "I'm *NOT saying that I'm Greil Marcus, but I like what I do."

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm saying that i'm fucking Greil Marcus, but I like what I do

Ew

Luis Skank Bloc Polonia (Andy_K), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHAHAHA amazing, right? freudian slip i guess.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Also, really keep an eye on your own responses:"Am I REALLY enjoying this, still listening to this, or just getting excited because it's supposed to be so cool, and/or I've got a chance to OMG WRITE about it?" Also, don't pass up a chance to listen to something, just because you think you won't like it, because, for instance, the wrong sort of people like this sort of thing. I never would have predicted some of the albums I've had the most to say about. On the other hand, I've got more albums by Miles Davis and Sun Ra than by any other artists, and yet I've never had anything to say about them that hasn't already been said. So, read your own writing, your own mind, when possible.

don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

ryan, couldja name me an album you've reviewed? I'd like to check ya style...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Do you want some Honest Advice? If given an alt-country or Americana album, never give it the critical bitchslap it so thoroughly deserves, because all music editors are "into" alt-country.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Seeing as you gave both the Monkeys and the Streets a deserved stuffing (unlike any other British music journo), I'll take that advice on board...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

My one piece of Honest Advise: don't, for a second, consider music reviewing to somehow be ontologically different from other areas of journalism. It's not a higher form of writing, it just gives you more leeway with adjectives. You're a journalist: pitch one city-beat piece for every ten music reviews. It will probably pay better, too.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Good lord, joseph, who do you know that considers music reviewing to be a higher form of writing than other forms of journalism?

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Morley?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Good lord, joseph, who do you know that considers music reviewing to be a higher form of writing than other forms of journalism?

quite a few colleagues. you can probably guess at least two of the places where i used to work.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Louis: I reviewed the new morrissey for PopMatters and also the new An Albatross for PopMatters most recently.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

joseph/aka michael idov? i dont' see your name on pfork anymore? did you leave?

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

That's weird. Your name and your reviews appear to have been removed from the site. I am shitting you not. Might see if the Morissey one's on Metacritic...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ah yes. Well, that's a common complaint directed at former legends; they simply refuse to adapt anymore, complacently basking in their own self-created aura of impenetrability, only for some impolite Popmatters critic to burst their bubble and point out that they're no longer making relevant music. Like A Rolling Stone: check (sorry, I'm jus' jokin', it's a good point, although what made that song for me was the organ), and the list of Elephant Six/other Southern States bands/artists is right-on etc etc...now, I've not heard much of the album, and my experiences of The Smiths are limited, but it's an understandable, in-depth piece that actually bothers with the music of the album and draws poignant comparisons elsewhere. It's not rocket-science, but it has gotten me at LEAST 4% more interested in how Morrisey came to be an indie-pop hero in the first place. Where to start? When to start? How soon is now? (Like that? Like that? Jeez...I give up...)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

glad you looked at the review. if you want to comment on them feel free to email me. im sure no one on ILX wants to here about my reviews. haha.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

I've not heard any of those albums :( Why couldn't they have assigned you something I've heard, like The Secret Machines? Except you'd probably have said nasty things about them and I'd have had to go away and cry.

Death Cab For Cutie I have heard OF. Apparently they say that the only reason they make music is Talk Talk's Laughing Stock, which is a good reason and a good start. The opening simile is tasteful and certainly not overwrought, unlike, say, most Pitchfork opening similes. (Brent's 'wizard's cap' moment takes some beating to be fair...) Brian Wilson is hallowed and we all bow our heads in brief reverence at this moment. Ben Gibbard was in Postal Service who have aroused a mixed reception. I thought they sounded kinda cool but didn't actively seek them out. Death Cab For Cutie - they sound pretty indie, they sound pretty. May give 'em a go.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

oops, ok, sorry everyone...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

haha no worries man. it's all good.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

Secret Machines then. Which opening simile would you plump for were you to review, say, Ten Silver Drops? Make it topical...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

Secret machines are like a tired droning robot with a deep soft spot. too bad that soft spot is near unattainable, only rarely showing itself.
hahahaha. what shite.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hmph.

Prefab Sprout's 1985 hit "When Love Breaks Down" is a tearstained, synth-scored paean to that handiest of rock tropes, the break-up. It mourns and it reasons, but ultimately it packs no lasting emotional punch, no soul-searching confessional, no difficult questions. The reason for this is that it attempts to see the break-up from the point of view of the couple, the single, united entity that hitherto lived so peacefully with itself: as the first line of the song says, "My love and I, we work well together". This near-communist approach to romance is all well and good in a wuvvy-duvvy wuv song, but when that song has to deal with the ructions, the points of stress that brought about the relationship's structural failure, it again regards them as mutually equalitative actions; "When love breaks down/The lies we tell/They only serve to fool ourselves". We, ourselves: this is not the language of someone who truly understands the gut-wrenching implications and self-doubting regrets of ending a personal commitment. Only in the second part of the verse does Paddy McAloon offer any personal reflection, and it is entirely his own. Moreover, it is cliched, meaningless, keening tripe: "When love breaks down/The things you do/To stop the truth from hurting you". What about those things you do, eh? You've only given me half a sentence to work with. I feel profoundly unmoved.

The second track of Secret Machines' sophomore album Ten Silver Drops is called "All At Once (It's Not Important)". Already, the title implies something untraceable by the language of a simple song-title; even with a phrase in brackets it leaves much to be said. The verse lyrics are oblique and pained, hinting at a great loss which the vocalist can just about reconcile himself to, but it is the chorus which is the mindblower. The first one has lyricist Brandon Curtis presenting that incomplete sentence of McAloon's in its full self-pitying glory:

Remember back when we first met
It don't mean much
All those things you said, you never meant
It don't mean much
How could I forgive and just forget?
It don't mean much
And all that time we spent I swear we wasted
It don't mean much

OK, so there we have the bile and the bewilderment so lacking in Prefab Sprout's effort. But what happens next raises the song and indeed the album (which has already gotten off to an exemplary start) to a higher emotional plane altogether. An at first low-key, but then soaring, buzzing, swooping majestic bridge starts to pull at the old lachrymose ducts without Curtis uttering a word (his brother being the dude doing the business with that most deliberate of axes), and then WHAM-

'Cause then it's like when we first met
It don't mean much
All those things I said, I never meant
It don't mean much
But how could you forgive and just forget?
It don't mean much
And all that time we spent we said we wasted
It don't mean much

-the tables have been turned and now Curtis is looking at the relationship from the partner's side, admitting his own devious contributions to the affair and wondering how on earth his ex could possibly forgive him. The difference is subtle but remarkably emphatic even on first listen, constituting what I can only describe as a moment of perfect realignment. It is a truly selfless climax to an already arresting song, embodying the whole multi-layered levels of guilt and recrimination in a single two-part package. No 'couple' or 'unity' here, but two individuals who happened to be in the right place at the right time and are now off down their own paths. Moreover, as Secret Machines have already taught us, that path leads exactly where it is led.

*cue rest of review*

Eat that, Pop R...

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 28 July 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

Being a strong reporter improves any kind of writing. And it's a necessity if music is your beat at a metro daily. I broke a story this week about the Rolling Stones coming to my city -- before the band had announced its tour -- and it was a serious scoop here. Talk of the town. Without prior experience as a cops and courts reporter, a sportswriter/columnist, a features editor, an entertainment editor -- and yes, a degree in news-editorial journalism -- would I have gotten that news into the paper before the Stones had announced their tour? All I know is a nose for news is a handy skill to have.

As for freelancing? Yes, it's rough out there. Lots of very talented people scratching and clawing for limited work. I freelance CD reviews once or twice a month for The Washington Post ... and have a blast doing it. But to attempt to make a living that way, I'd have to develop a serious taste for Ramen. Most of us fortunate enough to have decent-paying music journalist jobs have driven the stakes down deep. Why? Because we feel lucky as hell every day on the job. I paid my dues as a reporter at newspapers for several years before I finally got the gig I wanted. On the other hand, there are many possible paths to be taken. Be patient, work hard and stay focused on the prize. Good luck.

Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Friday, 28 July 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

joseph/aka michael idov? i dont' see your name on pfork anymore? did you leave?

Yup. I'm promoting my own band pretty heavily right now, and it feels weird to be reviewing artists while sucking up to their labels. I'd rather come back when the self-pimping cycle is over.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 28 July 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

deeds: do you live in DC or just freelance for them? i just moved to DC and am trying to get in freelancing there but i heard they are cutting back severely.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

joseph i still listen to your gg allin cover several times a week

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 28 July 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Post did cut back significantly a few months ago. As I stated, I just freelance for that paper. I live on the other side of the country.

Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Friday, 28 July 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

what is your own band joseph?

kevin barking (arghargh), Friday, 28 July 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Deeds: ahh, thanks for info. too bad they are cutting back.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Friday, 28 July 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

don't be ultragrrrl or x-gau
you'll be aight.

edde (edde), Friday, 28 July 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin: Spielerfrau (xx-post)
Jim: thanks, and... yikes! (xxxx-post)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 28 July 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Colin,
if you really want to break in this godawful racket - know that the entire journalism market is shrinking -- coinciding with the implosion of the music industry.

I had a great gig for awhile, a fat weekly column in a knight-ridder publication --and I had damn near full editorial control.

But even that barely covered rent and after a year - Knight ridder pulled the plug on the mag - leaving me jobless just in time to jump in the van for a year.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Saturday, 29 July 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Pop Ryan, here? instead of hear? Really.

trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 29 July 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

trees: i have no clue what you are talking about..??..

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Trees was being a dick aboutmeant this:
im sure no one on ILX wants to here about my reviews. haha.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Cotten,
Wouldn't I be a good editor, though?

That mistake is inexcusable if you've graduated from fifth grade, and is especially inexcusable coming from a music critic.

trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 29 July 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

(Only got nasty because Cotten did, Ryan. I was just pointing it out.)

trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 29 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Music critic" and "inexcusable" should only be found together in the following sentence:

It is inexcusable that even one music critic gave Creed a favorable review.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Sunday, 30 July 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

"lachrymose ducts"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 July 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

trees: I didn't even realize I wrote that. haha. thanks for the editing. That's why I don't write reviews when I'm drunk. I assure you that isn't a mistake I usually make. I know the difference between the here and hear. That is quite and inexcusable mistake and would never make it into my copy.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Sunday, 30 July 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't been drunk on ILM in a while. But Michael Jordan be pickin me up and dunkin me quite a bit.

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 30 July 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

Also, that's 'an.' Not 'and.'

(Michael Jordan makes me into a grammar policeman)

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 30 July 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Two pieces of advice I always give people who ask me this:

1) Get a full-time gig and keep it until it's clear that you can support yourself freelancing. A full-time gig that involves editing and writing is particularly useful.

2) In order to make it in this (or pretty much any) business, you need at least two of the following three things: to be the nicest person in the world, to be totally brilliant, and/or to be always always ALWAYS on time.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 30 July 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Creed a Spin cover?

ivan tasev (Ivan T), Sunday, 30 July 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)


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